Cohabitation Before Marriage = Higher Chance of Divorce

[Savij]

So after reading the study, it looks like parental marriage status, income, whether or not the couple has children before they get together, age at marriage and education all have more of an impact on divorce rates than living together...get an education, get a job, and don't have kids before getting married and you're much better off than just not living together and getting married while still a teenager

 

[psydancerqt]

this statistics dont apply if the couple is engaged when they live together before marriage.

 

[Savij]

And to you people bitching that you couldn't have read 100 pages in 10 min. Obviously none of you read the study either cause almost 50% of the pages are tables, there are 3 or 4 pages of references, you don't even get to the abstract till page 10, and almost 35% of the remaining pages are graphs and tables...

The actual reading is only about 10 or 15 pages worth.

 

[trmiv]

I don't think I would marry someone without living with them first. I'm living with my girlfriend now, and I'm glad I am. You learn a lot about someone by living with them, more than you can learn on weekend trips.

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: Haps
Spidey I don't see how you can make the correlation between living together and the sanctimen tof marriage not being valued. I lived with my wife before we got married. Yes our day to day lives didn't change much after we got married. But our marriage was not just a piece of paper that you seem to think it is for all people. I believe in marriage and I meant every word of my vows and most certainly intend to keep them for the rest of my life. MY attitude towards marriage and what it means and the responsibilities it has would not be changed in any way by a living situation.

I don't think that all people who cohabitate will end in divorce, the CNN article stated that there was a 9% chance higher of splitting up if you cohabitated (31% vs 40%). You just happened to fall in the majority of 3/5 couples who were successful (2/5, or 40% of people who cohabitated, were unsuccessful). Personally, I would rather be in the 2/3's (rounding up from 31 to 33% here) category than the 3/5...

Overall, I think that younger folks and trailer trash probably account for the 10% difference. To quote the article: "'It may not be the experience of cohabiting but the people who cohabit,' said William Mosher." They probably moved in together, and got married for all the wrong reasons and missed the things that are important in a mate (inexperience in judging character, money issues like tax breaks for married couples, etc), and didn't give a dam or respect the institution of marraige.

 

[Fausto]

Originally posted by: Savij
So after reading the study, it looks like parental marriage status, income, whether or not the couple has children before they get together, age at marriage and education all have more of an impact on divorce rates than living together...get an education, get a job, and don't have kids before getting married and you're much better off than just not living together and getting married while still a teenager

I read through the whole thing and couldn't even find the table where CNN got the 31%/40% data. The study actually talks about everything BUT the affect of cohabitation on marriage as far as I could tell.

 

[Savij]

Originally posted by: Fausto

Originally posted by: Savij
So after reading the study, it looks like parental marriage status, income, whether or not the couple has children before they get together, age at marriage and education all have more of an impact on divorce rates than living together...get an education, get a job, and don't have kids before getting married and you're much better off than just not living together and getting married while still a teenager

I read through the whole thing and couldn't even find the table where CNN got the 31%/40% data. The study actually talks about everything BUT the affect of cohabitation on marriage as far as I could tell.

It's mentioned at the very beginning for about 2 lines and in the middle for a single line. Look at the the end of the tables (table 21 specifically)

edit: it's the 10 year statistic

 

[HomeBrewerDude]

Originally posted by: Fausto
Here's the relevant part.

One of the study's authors said the report did not draw the conclusion that living together before marriage was the cause of the relationship ending.

"It may not be the experience of cohabiting but the people who cohabit," said William Mosher.

"What we're saying about that is that we think that couples who cohabit before marriage may have different values than couples who do not," he said.

Couples who live together before marriage may be the type of people who are "more likely to consider divorce," he explained.

Yet people love to use this kind of stuff as ammunition against cohabitiation.

Agreed.

And people love to take one finding out of context, while also ignoring all the other findings. CNN should be hung out on this one.

 

[Fausto]

Originally posted by: Savij

Originally posted by: Fausto

Originally posted by: Savij
So after reading the study, it looks like parental marriage status, income, whether or not the couple has children before they get together, age at marriage and education all have more of an impact on divorce rates than living together...get an education, get a job, and don't have kids before getting married and you're much better off than just not living together and getting married while still a teenager

I read through the whole thing and couldn't even find the table where CNN got the 31%/40% data. The study actually talks about everything BUT the affect of cohabitation on marriage as far as I could tell.

It's mentioned at the very beginning for about 2 lines and in the middle for a single line. Look at the the end of the tables (table 21 specifically)

Ah, thanks! That was driving me nuts.

Factors in the study resulting in a higher or similar rate of divorce after 10 years than cohabitation.

No kids: 45% divorce rate

Kids within first 7 months of marriage: 41%

Living in the South: 39%

Enemployed at time of marriage: 40%

Parents divorced/separated: 43%

Family income under $25,000: 53%

Less than HS education: 42%

Under 18 when married: 48%

You're black: 48%

Not religious: 46%

 

[MattCo]

Thanks for the info GT. I'm not too big to admit when I am wrong. I had no stats so that is why "I think that" appears there. I was just basing it on my personal experience and the people around me.

-MC

 

[Savij]

Originally posted by: Fausto

Originally posted by: Savij

Originally posted by: Fausto

Originally posted by: Savij
So after reading the study, it looks like parental marriage status, income, whether or not the couple has children before they get together, age at marriage and education all have more of an impact on divorce rates than living together...get an education, get a job, and don't have kids before getting married and you're much better off than just not living together and getting married while still a teenager

I read through the whole thing and couldn't even find the table where CNN got the 31%/40% data. The study actually talks about everything BUT the affect of cohabitation on marriage as far as I could tell.

It's mentioned at the very beginning for about 2 lines and in the middle for a single line. Look at the the end of the tables (table 21 specifically)

Ah, thanks! That was driving me nuts.

Factors in the study resulting in a higher or similar rate of divorce after 10 years than cohabitation.

No kids: 45% divorce rate

Kids within first 7 months of marriage: 41%

Living in the South: 39%

Enemployed at time of marriage: 40%

Parents divorced/separated: 43%

Family income under $25,000: 53%

Less than HS education: 42%

Under 18 when married: 48%

You're black: 48%

Not religious: 46%

[Take a single statistic make a generalized comment]POOR PEOPLE SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO GET MARRIED[/Take a single statistic make a generalized comment]

 

[MercenaryForHire]

Originally posted by: Savij

Originally posted by: Fausto

Originally posted by: Savij

Originally posted by: Fausto

Originally posted by: Savij
So after reading the study, it looks like parental marriage status, income, whether or not the couple has children before they get together, age at marriage and education all have more of an impact on divorce rates than living together...get an education, get a job, and don't have kids before getting married and you're much better off than just not living together and getting married while still a teenager

I read through the whole thing and couldn't even find the table where CNN got the 31%/40% data. The study actually talks about everything BUT the affect of cohabitation on marriage as far as I could tell.

It's mentioned at the very beginning for about 2 lines and in the middle for a single line. Look at the the end of the tables (table 21 specifically)

Ah, thanks! That was driving me nuts.

Factors in the study resulting in a higher or similar rate of divorce after 10 years than cohabitation.

No kids: 45% divorce rate

Kids within first 7 months of marriage: 41%

Living in the South: 39%

Enemployed at time of marriage: 40%

Parents divorced/separated: 43%

Family income under $25,000: 53%

Less than HS education: 42%

Under 18 when married: 48%

You're black: 48%

Not religious: 46%

[Take a single statistic make a generalized comment]POOR PEOPLE SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO GET MARRIED[/Take a single statistic make a generalized comment]

Ooh! Ooh!

STUPID PEOPLE SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO GET MARRIED!

Hey, I like this game.

- M4H

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire

Originally posted by: Savij

Originally posted by: Fausto

Ah, thanks! That was driving me nuts.

Factors in the study resulting in a higher or similar rate of divorce after 10 years than cohabitation.

No kids: 45% divorce rate

Kids within first 7 months of marriage: 41%

Living in the South: 39%

Enemployed at time of marriage: 40%

Parents divorced/separated: 43%

Family income under $25,000: 53%

Less than HS education: 42%

Under 18 when married: 48%

You're black: 48%

Not religious: 46%

[Take a single statistic make a generalized comment]POOR PEOPLE SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO GET MARRIED[/Take a single statistic make a generalized comment]

Ooh! Ooh!

STUPID PEOPLE SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO GET MARRIED!

Hey, I like this game.

- M4H

GET A JOB IF YOU WANT TO GET MARRIED

Yeah...this is cool!

 

[Savij]

Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire

Originally posted by: Savij

Originally posted by: Fausto

Originally posted by: Savij

Originally posted by: Fausto

Originally posted by: Savij
So after reading the study, it looks like parental marriage status, income, whether or not the couple has children before they get together, age at marriage and education all have more of an impact on divorce rates than living together...get an education, get a job, and don't have kids before getting married and you're much better off than just not living together and getting married while still a teenager

I read through the whole thing and couldn't even find the table where CNN got the 31%/40% data. The study actually talks about everything BUT the affect of cohabitation on marriage as far as I could tell.

It's mentioned at the very beginning for about 2 lines and in the middle for a single line. Look at the the end of the tables (table 21 specifically)

Ah, thanks! That was driving me nuts.

Factors in the study resulting in a higher or similar rate of divorce after 10 years than cohabitation.

No kids: 45% divorce rate

Kids within first 7 months of marriage: 41%

Living in the South: 39%

Enemployed at time of marriage: 40%

Parents divorced/separated: 43%

Family income under $25,000: 53%

Less than HS education: 42%

Under 18 when married: 48%

You're black: 48%

Not religious: 46%

[Take a single statistic make a generalized comment]POOR PEOPLE SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO GET MARRIED[/Take a single statistic make a generalized comment]

Ooh! Ooh!

STUPID PEOPLE SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO GET MARRIED!

Hey, I like this game.

- M4H

Here's a good one for you: SOUTHERN PEOPLE SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO GET MARRIED

 

[HomeBrewerDude]

The authors clearly recognize that their analysis are kind of screwy. Instead of computing probabilities like they did, they should be doing some multiple regression analysis. That would tell you about the impact of cohabitation versus the impact of some other variable. You could also put it this way, does cohabitation impact divorce if all other variables are held constant. Their analysis techniques don't do that...

 

Originally posted by: Savij

Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire

Originally posted by: Savij

Originally posted by: Fausto

Originally posted by: Savij

Originally posted by: Fausto

Originally posted by: Savij
So after reading the study, it looks like parental marriage status, income, whether or not the couple has children before they get together, age at marriage and education all have more of an impact on divorce rates than living together...get an education, get a job, and don't have kids before getting married and you're much better off than just not living together and getting married while still a teenager

I read through the whole thing and couldn't even find the table where CNN got the 31%/40% data. The study actually talks about everything BUT the affect of cohabitation on marriage as far as I could tell.

It's mentioned at the very beginning for about 2 lines and in the middle for a single line. Look at the the end of the tables (table 21 specifically)

Ah, thanks! That was driving me nuts.

Factors in the study resulting in a higher or similar rate of divorce after 10 years than cohabitation.

No kids: 45% divorce rate

Kids within first 7 months of marriage: 41%

Living in the South: 39%

Enemployed at time of marriage: 40%

Parents divorced/separated: 43%

Family income under $25,000: 53%

Less than HS education: 42%

Under 18 when married: 48%

You're black: 48%

Not religious: 46%

[Take a single statistic make a generalized comment]POOR PEOPLE SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO GET MARRIED[/Take a single statistic make a generalized comment]

Ooh! Ooh!

STUPID PEOPLE SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO GET MARRIED!

Hey, I like this game.

- M4H

Here's a good one for you: SOUTHERN PEOPLE SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO GET MARRIED

K, I'll jump in.

BLACKS SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO GET MARRIED

 

[MercenaryForHire]

Originally posted by: Savij

Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire

Originally posted by: Savij

Originally posted by: Fausto

Originally posted by: Savij

Originally posted by: Fausto

Originally posted by: Savij
So after reading the study, it looks like parental marriage status, income, whether or not the couple has children before they get together, age at marriage and education all have more of an impact on divorce rates than living together...get an education, get a job, and don't have kids before getting married and you're much better off than just not living together and getting married while still a teenager

I read through the whole thing and couldn't even find the table where CNN got the 31%/40% data. The study actually talks about everything BUT the affect of cohabitation on marriage as far as I could tell.

It's mentioned at the very beginning for about 2 lines and in the middle for a single line. Look at the the end of the tables (table 21 specifically)

Ah, thanks! That was driving me nuts.

Factors in the study resulting in a higher or similar rate of divorce after 10 years than cohabitation.

No kids: 45% divorce rate

Kids within first 7 months of marriage: 41%

Living in the South: 39%

Enemployed at time of marriage: 40%

Parents divorced/separated: 43%

Family income under $25,000: 53%

Less than HS education: 42%

Under 18 when married: 48%

You're black: 48%

Not religious: 46%

[Take a single statistic make a generalized comment]POOR PEOPLE SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO GET MARRIED[/Take a single statistic make a generalized comment]

Ooh! Ooh!

STUPID PEOPLE SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO GET MARRIED!

Hey, I like this game.

- M4H

Here's a good one for you: SOUTHERN PEOPLE SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO GET MARRIED

Hey, I already used Stupid people! :| :|



- M4H

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire

Originally posted by: Savij

Here's a good one for you: SOUTHERN PEOPLE SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO GET MARRIED

Hey, I already used Stupid people! :| :|



- M4H

:| :| :|


Come on down here, biotch!

 

[WinkOsmosis]

Give me a break! That study is BS and serves no purpose. They even admitted it.


"What we're saying about that is that we think that couples who cohabit before marriage may have different values than couples who do not," he said.

Couples who live together before marriage may be the type of people who are "more likely to consider divorce," he explained.

 

[Savij]

Originally posted by: WinkOsmosis
Give me a break! That study is BS and serves no purpose. They even admitted it.


"What we're saying about that is that we think that couples who cohabit before marriage may have different values than couples who do not," he said.

Couples who live together before marriage may be the type of people who are "more likely to consider divorce," he explained.

You're too late. Serious response hours are over. Please remove your post; It's interrupting our mocking.

 

[MercenaryForHire]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire

Originally posted by: Savij

Here's a good one for you: SOUTHERN PEOPLE SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO GET MARRIED

Hey, I already used Stupid people! :| :|



- M4H

:| :| :|


Come on down here, biotch!

If you don't quit talking all that smack, I will - and I'll bring the cold weather with me! :evil:

- M4H

 

[Lola]

Originally posted by: WinkOsmosis
Give me a break! That study is BS and serves no purpose. They even admitted it.


"What we're saying about that is that we think that couples who cohabit before marriage may have different values than couples who do not," he said.

Couples who live together before marriage may be the type of people who are "more likely to consider divorce," he explained.

EXACTLY. those hardcore christians that won't live together will also be miserable their whole lives before choosing to get divorced.
I have live with someone for about 3 years. We are now engaged and in a sense, things won't change. We are both fully FULLY commited to each other and have been since we moved in. I couldnt have asked for anything more... i know all of his idocincracies and he knows and accepts mine as well. we are going into our up coming marriage with a full understanding of each others full being and personality. I cannot wait to marry him because i know who he is, not who he will become

 

[AlienCraft]

Originally posted by: Descartes

Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
Living together can create the attitude that one can easily walk out of a relationship without consequences.
That is what the rules are before marriage.
that attitude can carry over into a marriage.

On the other hand, living together allows you to try to understand the person and their quirks.
but both are trying to please the other so much, that the nasty sides may not become visible (each knows that the other can bail if they become disapointed).

Yeah, if you have commitment problems. I don't need a qualitative piece of paper for me to be committed, and I certainly don't have the attitude that I can easily walk out on a relationship.

Perhaps that may be true for you, but speaking from experience, there are women with commitment issues and trust issues that impede long term co-habitation as well. Anyone who would enter into such a relationship is settling, you are indeed leaving that on the table... Either can call it quits with impunity, after all, you're not REALLY committed
Here's an aspect to ponder..... Co-habitation is a holding pattern. There is no REAL commitment, because the door is being propped open in the event someone better comes along. Thus, as a guy, you are just one step outside the "Dreaded Friend Zone" aka the "dick in a glass case". As a woman, you are just one hot chickie from hitting the curb, paying the bills by yourself or finding yourself in some awkward public display of "affection".
To really marry someone IS freedom. Freedom from having to worry that some one is goin to spirit your sweetie away, freedom to go places (figuratively speaking) with someone by your side.
Either COMMIT or Quit. People under the age of 32 should be forced to watch a seasons worth of Dr.Phil and then listen to a season of Dr. Laura. If you can do that without coming unglued, then you should be allowed to marry or live together

I spent over 15 years with a woman who said she wanted to marry, " Have kids soon", accepted an engagement ring, wore it off and on for 4 years before we finally split. She said she wanted to get married after 4 years of dating. We moved in together about then. Her dad and I had "The Talk" ie .... meeting at his business that he built from nothing in SF.... "When you going to marry my daughter?" "As soon as she says when....
Co-Habitation is not a real commitment. It can be the thing that eventually splits you up.
Now, I'm 47, been single for over 6 years and really wish I hadn't spent so much time with someone who wouldn't "fish or cut bait". She actually did fish.... that's one reason I liked her so much. We're still good friends, BTW, only she's now a single mom with a guy who has problems accepting his own child. :brokenheart: Talk about hearing a biological clock ticking......

 

[Geekbabe]

Originally posted by: minendo

Originally posted by: spidey07
Because if you live together for years and then get married it is "just a piece of paper" and not a true binding commitment to a partnership/team. Folks can offer their opinions that differ, but do ask anyone who is actually educated in relationships, etc and you'll find that cohabitation before marriage is a bad idea.

Times are a changing.

Women are working more now, they are self-sufficient so they are not looking for a husband like they were 10+ years ago.

Actually we want husbands but for a lot more personal reasons than mere money,being fiscally able to support ourselves means we won't tolerate the kind of BS that our mothers put up with.Working means I don't need to deal with a frequently drunk,verbally abusive womanizer merely to keep my kids fed and clothed.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire

Originally posted by: Savij

Here's a good one for you: SOUTHERN PEOPLE SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO GET MARRIED

Hey, I already used Stupid people! :| :|



- M4H

:| :| :|


Come on down here, biotch!

If you don't quit talking all that smack, I will - and I'll bring the cold weather with me! :evil:

- M4H

<---- turns tail and runs