Cohabitation Before Marriage = Higher Chance of Divorce

[GTaudiophile]

A post by MattCo in Caitlion's (now locked) thread inspired me to post this.

MattCo wrote, I think if more people lived together before getting married, the divorce rate would drop.

This statement has been proven incorrect by the CDC.

CNN Article: Living together may lead to breakups

Full CDC Study (5.5MB PDF)

 

[MercenaryForHire]

If you lived with Bimmerchick before marriage, would you divorce her? :beer:

- M4H

 

[RagingBITCH]

Yes, because it was proven by studies that are always 100% consistent with real life situations.

 

[GTaudiophile]

:beer:

Heh. I don't think I could ever stop riding her, er, riding with her.

 

[MercenaryForHire]

First of all, that story was done by the CDC in GA. As Fausto can attest to, there aren't exactly the most scintillating minds present in that foul hellhole of a state. PS - As arranged, the carpet-bombing begins at 9PM sharp. The black helicopter will be there an hour in advance. Don't dawdle.

Couples in the United States

Woohoo, national immunity!

- M4H

 

[EagleKeeper]

Living together can create the attitude that one can easily walk out of a relationship without consequences.
That is what the rules are before marriage.
that attitude can carry over into a marriage.

On the other hand, living together allows you to try to understand the person and their quirks.
but both are trying to please the other so much, that the nasty sides may not become visible (each knows that the other can bail if they become disapointed).

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: RagingBITCH
Yes, because it was proven by studies that are always 100% consistent with real life situations.

The study's findings are based on interviews conducted in 1995 with about 11,000 women ages 15 to 44.

11,000 is a whole ton of people. the findings are statistically significant. i'm not going to look through the full pdf, but i'm going to be of the opinion that correlation isn't causation in this case.

 

[Fausto]

Here's the relevant part.

One of the study's authors said the report did not draw the conclusion that living together before marriage was the cause of the relationship ending.

"It may not be the experience of cohabiting but the people who cohabit," said William Mosher.

"What we're saying about that is that we think that couples who cohabit before marriage may have different values than couples who do not," he said.

Couples who live together before marriage may be the type of people who are "more likely to consider divorce," he explained.

Yet people love to use this kind of stuff as ammunition against cohabitiation.

 

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: RagingBITCH
Yes, because it was proven by studies that are always 100% consistent with real life situations.

The study's findings are based on interviews conducted in 1995 with about 11,000 women ages 15 to 44.

11,000 is a whole ton of people. the findings are statistically significant. i'm not going to look through the full pdf, but i'm going to be of the opinion that correlation isn't causation in this case.

11K is hardly a whole ton of people. It's not even close enough to gather more than a snapshot of the demographics of a particular region of an area.
I hate how they do these stuides, and then tout the information as fact.

 

[spidey07]

Its generally well known that co-habitation before marriage does have a higher divorce rate.

It called a "renters agreement" approach with neither person fully living up to the rules for a good marriage. Those kinds of feelings of "I'm just renting instead of buying" carry over into the marrage.

I know I'll never do it again. You can learn most of a persons living quirks and habits just by spending a few weekends together or a vacation.

 

[Fausto]

Originally posted by: SampSon

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: RagingBITCH
Yes, because it was proven by studies that are always 100% consistent with real life situations.

The study's findings are based on interviews conducted in 1995 with about 11,000 women ages 15 to 44.

11,000 is a whole ton of people. the findings are statistically significant. i'm not going to look through the full pdf, but i'm going to be of the opinion that correlation isn't causation in this case.

11K is hardly a whole ton of people. It's not even close enough to gather more than a snapshot of the demographics of a particular region of an area.
I hate how they do these stuides, and then tout the information as fact.

How about everyone read the damn study and then comment instead of just reading two headlines and jumping right into the fray? Is that too much to ask?

 

[XZeroII]

Originally posted by: SampSon

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: RagingBITCH
Yes, because it was proven by studies that are always 100% consistent with real life situations.

The study's findings are based on interviews conducted in 1995 with about 11,000 women ages 15 to 44.

11,000 is a whole ton of people. the findings are statistically significant. i'm not going to look through the full pdf, but i'm going to be of the opinion that correlation isn't causation in this case.

11K is hardly a whole ton of people. It's not even close enough to gather more than a snapshot of the demographics of a particular region of an area.
I hate how they do these stuides, and then tout the information as fact.

I've heard of MANY studies that were done. If you do even a little research, you would find that out.

Remember, they aren't saying that EVERY couple that lives together first will end up in divorce, but the odds increase.

 

[SP33Demon]

Like I said in the other thread, cohabition degrades the institution of marraige. The attitude: well we've been living together for so long, may as well get the piece of paper to formalize it. It's just another day for people living together, it's not a big deal to most of them. Many don't see any attitude change with regards to living together vs officially being married. Why do you think that in some states, if you live together long enough, you're considered married? What is there to look forward to, if you're simulating a marraige like environment before actually doing it?

Think about it like this, you have an older friend who is 21. He/she buys you alcohol in high school, and gets you a fake ID, a really good one, so good that it fools everyone. You use it from the years 18-21, and drinking/clubbing isn't a big deal for you. So when you do turn 21, it's really just a formalization process that "cool I'm legal now, but it doesn't really matter". Now think about how long you had waited for the day to turn 21, if you didn't have the fake. How much more exciting and special would it be? It's the same feeling, except with marraige it lasts a lifetime.

 

Originally posted by: XZeroII

Originally posted by: SampSon

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: RagingBITCH
Yes, because it was proven by studies that are always 100% consistent with real life situations.

The study's findings are based on interviews conducted in 1995 with about 11,000 women ages 15 to 44.

11,000 is a whole ton of people. the findings are statistically significant. i'm not going to look through the full pdf, but i'm going to be of the opinion that correlation isn't causation in this case.

11K is hardly a whole ton of people. It's not even close enough to gather more than a snapshot of the demographics of a particular region of an area.
I hate how they do these stuides, and then tout the information as fact.

I've heard of MANY studies that were done. If you do even a little research, you would find that out.

Remember, they aren't saying that EVERY couple that lives together first will end up in divorce, but the odds increase.

Yes, I understand that. But I am talking in context to the original post.

MattCo wrote, I think if more people lived together before getting married, the divorce rate would drop. This statement has been proven incorrect by the CDC.
It's hardly proven incorrect. This is what I'm talking about when people tout marginal findings as fact.

How about everyone read the damn study and then comment instead of just reading two headlines and jumping right into the fray? Is that too much to ask?

Gee, I did read it. Is not jumping to conclusions when someone doesn't believe the same thing as you too much to ask?

 

[sciencewhiz]

Originally posted by: SampSon

Originally posted by: ElFenix

The study's findings are based on interviews conducted in 1995 with about 11,000 women ages 15 to 44.

11,000 is a whole ton of people. the findings are statistically significant. i'm not going to look through the full pdf, but i'm going to be of the opinion that correlation isn't causation in this case.

11K is hardly a whole ton of people. It's not even close enough to gather more than a snapshot of the demographics of a particular region of an area.
I hate how they do these stuides, and then tout the information as fact.

But 11,000 is 27 times more then the number of people they use to predict the presidential election.

 

[gistech1978]

Originally posted by: SampSon

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: RagingBITCH
Yes, because it was proven by studies that are always 100% consistent with real life situations.

The study's findings are based on interviews conducted in 1995 with about 11,000 women ages 15 to 44.

11,000 is a whole ton of people. the findings are statistically significant. i'm not going to look through the full pdf, but i'm going to be of the opinion that correlation isn't causation in this case.

11K is hardly a whole ton of people. It's not even close enough to gather more than a snapshot of the demographics of a particular region of an area.
I hate how they do these stuides, and then tout the information as fact.

look at any poll; they poll 1000 people. theyve been doing it for years and years and years.
11,000 couples is quite a few as far as statistics are concerned.

 

[EagleKeeper]

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[Fausto]

Originally posted by: SampSon

Originally posted by: XZeroII

Originally posted by: SampSon

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: RagingBITCH
Yes, because it was proven by studies that are always 100% consistent with real life situations.

The study's findings are based on interviews conducted in 1995 with about 11,000 women ages 15 to 44.

11,000 is a whole ton of people. the findings are statistically significant. i'm not going to look through the full pdf, but i'm going to be of the opinion that correlation isn't causation in this case.

11K is hardly a whole ton of people. It's not even close enough to gather more than a snapshot of the demographics of a particular region of an area.
I hate how they do these stuides, and then tout the information as fact.

I've heard of MANY studies that were done. If you do even a little research, you would find that out.

Remember, they aren't saying that EVERY couple that lives together first will end up in divorce, but the odds increase.

Yes, I understand that. But I am talking in context to the original post.

MattCo wrote, I think if more people lived together before getting married, the divorce rate would drop. This statement has been proven incorrect by the CDC.
It's hardly proven incorrect. This is what I'm talking about when people tout marginal findings as fact.

How about everyone read the damn study and then comment instead of just reading two headlines and jumping right into the fray? Is that too much to ask?

Gee, I did read it. Is not jumping to conclusions when someone doesn't believe the same thing as you too much to ask?

Really? You read all 100+ pages in less than 10 minutes. Impressive.

 

[spidey07]

anybody that disagree with "cohabitation before marriage = higher chance of divorce" really need to do some reasearch. Especially from a relationship/psychology perspective

 

[amoeba]

it needs to be ten years old to record the number of people surveyed that are now married and divorced/not divorced.

 

Originally posted by: Fausto

Originally posted by: SampSon

Originally posted by: XZeroII

Originally posted by: SampSon

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: RagingBITCH
Yes, because it was proven by studies that are always 100% consistent with real life situations.

The study's findings are based on interviews conducted in 1995 with about 11,000 women ages 15 to 44.

11,000 is a whole ton of people. the findings are statistically significant. i'm not going to look through the full pdf, but i'm going to be of the opinion that correlation isn't causation in this case.

11K is hardly a whole ton of people. It's not even close enough to gather more than a snapshot of the demographics of a particular region of an area.
I hate how they do these stuides, and then tout the information as fact.

I've heard of MANY studies that were done. If you do even a little research, you would find that out.

Remember, they aren't saying that EVERY couple that lives together first will end up in divorce, but the odds increase.

Yes, I understand that. But I am talking in context to the original post.

MattCo wrote, I think if more people lived together before getting married, the divorce rate would drop. This statement has been proven incorrect by the CDC.
It's hardly proven incorrect. This is what I'm talking about when people tout marginal findings as fact.

How about everyone read the damn study and then comment instead of just reading two headlines and jumping right into the fray? Is that too much to ask?

Gee, I did read it. Is not jumping to conclusions when someone doesn't believe the same thing as you too much to ask?

Really? You read all 100+ pages in less than 10 minutes. Impressive.

No I didn't read 100+ pages and I'm willing to bet you didn't either. Nor will you read all 100+ pages. So instead of attacking the person, attack the argument.

 

[gopunk]

Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
A post by MattCo in Caitlion's (now locked) thread inspired me to post this.

MattCo wrote, I think if more people lived together before getting married, the divorce rate would drop.

This statement has been proven incorrect by the CDC.

CNN Article: Living together may lead to breakups

Full CDC Study (5.5MB PDF)

it's not proven incorrect... it could just be that people who are likely to live together at this point in time are more likely to get divorced as well. you have another population of people who are not likely to live together right now, and you can't assume that living together would have the same effect on those people. for example, it could be that the deciding factor in divorce is religion (just for example). that people who are not religious are more likely to get divorced, and also more likely not to live together. so here you have a factor that causes both phenomenon, but you can't say that one phenonmenon causes the other. again, just an example.

 

[EagleKeeper]

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: gopunk

Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
A post by MattCo in Caitlion's (now locked) thread inspired me to post this.

MattCo wrote, I think if more people lived together before getting married, the divorce rate would drop.

This statement has been proven incorrect by the CDC.

CNN Article: Living together may lead to breakups

Full CDC Study (5.5MB PDF)

it's not proven incorrect... it could just be that people who are likely to live together at this point in time are more likely to get divorced as well. you have another population of people who are not likely to live together right now, and you can't assume that living together would have the same effect on those people. for example, it could be that the deciding factor in divorce is religion (just for example). that people who are not religious are more likely to get divorced, and also more likely not to live together. so here you have a factor that causes both phenomenon, but you can't say that one phenonmenon causes the other. again, just an example.

But read up on relationships and the psychology behind them. Living together before marriage does lead to higher divorce.

 

[vi edit]

Didn't read the CDC article, but the CNN one at least doesn't account for the fact that divorces aren't always a bad thing.

There is at least a measureable number of married people who are miserable in their relationship but don't divorce for whatever reason even though both parties would be happier if they would just end it.

*shrugs*