Codey Makes It Illegal To Smoke In Bars...

[psteng19]

Originally posted by: jagec
People who REALLY care about their health don't usually spend all their time in bars...

Employees don't have a choice and that's what this law is really about, for the most part.

 

[whistleclient]

The list of 599 additives approved by the US Government for use in the manufacture of cigarettes:



Acetanisole
Acetic Acid
Acetoin
Acetophenone
6-Acetoxydihydrotheaspirane
2-Acetyl-3- Ethylpyrazine
2-Acetyl-5-Methylfuran
Acetylpyrazine
2-Acetylpyridine
3-Acetylpyridine
2-Acetylthiazole
Aconitic Acid
dl-Alanine
Alfalfa Extract
Allspice Extract,Oleoresin, and Oil
Allyl Hexanoate
Allyl Ionone
Almond Bitter Oil
Ambergris Tincture
Ammonia
Ammonium Bicarbonate
Ammonium Hydroxide
Ammonium Phosphate Dibasic
Ammonium Sulfide
Amyl Alcohol
Amyl Butyrate
Amyl Formate
Amyl Octanoate
alpha-Amylcinnamaldehyde
Amyris Oil
trans-Anethole
Angelica Root Extract, Oil and Seed Oil
Anise
Anise Star, Extract and Oils
Anisyl Acetate
Anisyl Alcohol
Anisyl Formate
Anisyl Phenylacetate
Apple Juice Concentrate, Extract, and Skins
Apricot Extract and Juice Concentrate
1-Arginine
Asafetida Fluid Extract And Oil
Ascorbic Acid
1-Asparagine Monohydrate
1-Aspartic Acid
Balsam Peru and Oil
Basil Oil
Bay Leaf, Oil and Sweet Oil
Beeswax White
Beet Juice Concentrate
Benzaldehyde
Benzaldehyde Glyceryl Acetal
Benzoic Acid, Benzoin
Benzoin Resin
Benzophenone
Benzyl Alcohol
Benzyl Benzoate
Benzyl Butyrate
Benzyl Cinnamate
Benzyl Propionate
Benzyl Salicylate
Bergamot Oil
Bisabolene
Black Currant Buds Absolute
Borneol
Bornyl Acetate
Buchu Leaf Oil
1,3-Butanediol
2,3-Butanedione
1-Butanol
2-Butanone
4(2-Butenylidene)-3,5,5-Trimethyl-2-Cyclohexen-1-One
Butter, Butter Esters, and Butter Oil
Butyl Acetate
Butyl Butyrate
Butyl Butyryl Lactate
Butyl Isovalerate
Butyl Phenylacetate
Butyl Undecylenate
3-Butylidenephthalide
Butyric Acid]
Cadinene
Caffeine
Calcium Carbonate
Camphene
Cananga Oil
Capsicum Oleoresin
Caramel Color
Caraway Oil
Carbon Dioxide
Cardamom Oleoresin, Extract, Seed Oil, and Powder
Carob Bean and Extract
beta-Carotene
Carrot Oil
Carvacrol
4-Carvomenthenol
1-Carvone
beta-Caryophyllene
beta-Caryophyllene Oxide
Cascarilla Oil and Bark Extract
Cassia Bark Oil
Cassie Absolute and Oil
Castoreum Extract, Tincture and Absolute
Cedar Leaf Oil
Cedarwood Oil Terpenes and Virginiana
Cedrol
Celery Seed Extract, Solid, Oil, And Oleoresin
Cellulose Fiber
Chamomile Flower Oil And Extract
Chicory Extract
Chocolate
Cinnamaldehyde
Cinnamic Acid
Cinnamon Leaf Oil, Bark Oil, and Extract
Cinnamyl Acetate
Cinnamyl Alcohol
Cinnamyl Cinnamate
Cinnamyl Isovalerate
Cinnamyl Propionate
Citral
Citric Acid
Citronella Oil
dl-Citronellol
Citronellyl Butyrate
itronellyl Isobutyrate
Civet Absolute
Clary Oil
Clover Tops, Red Solid Extract
Cocoa
Cocoa Shells, Extract, Distillate And Powder
Coconut Oil
Coffee
Cognac White and Green Oil
Copaiba Oil
Coriander Extract and Oil
Corn Oil
Corn Silk
Costus Root Oil
Cubeb Oil
Cuminaldehyde
para-Cymene
1-Cysteine
Dandelion Root Solid Extract
Davana Oil
2-trans, 4-trans-Decadienal
delta-Decalactone
gamma-Decalactone
Decanal
Decanoic Acid
1-Decanol
2-Decenal
Dehydromenthofurolactone
Diethyl Malonate
Diethyl Sebacate
2,3-Diethylpyrazine
Dihydro Anethole
5,7-Dihydro-2-Methylthieno(3,4-D) Pyrimidine
Dill Seed Oil and Extract
meta-Dimethoxybenzene
para-Dimethoxybenzene
2,6-Dimethoxyphenol
Dimethyl Succinate
3,4-Dimethyl-1,2 Cyclopentanedione
3,5- Dimethyl-1,2-Cyclopentanedione
3,7-Dimethyl-1,3,6-Octatriene
4,5-Dimethyl-3-Hydroxy-2,5-Dihydrofuran-2-One
6,10-Dimethyl-5,9-Undecadien-2-One
3,7-Dimethyl-6-Octenoic Acid
2,4 Dimethylacetophenone
alpha,para-Dimethylbenzyl Alcohol
alpha,alpha-Dimethylphenethyl Acetate
alpha,alpha Dimethylphenethyl Butyrate
2,3-Dimethylpyrazine
2,5-Dimethylpyrazine
2,6-Dimethylpyrazine
Dimethyltetrahydrobenzofuranone
delta-Dodecalactone
gamma-Dodecalactone
para-Ethoxybenzaldehyde
Ethyl 10-Undecenoate
Ethyl 2-Methylbutyrate
Ethyl Acetate
Ethyl Acetoacetate
Ethyl Alcohol
Ethyl Benzoate
Ethyl Butyrate
Ethyl Cinnamate
Ethyl Decanoate
Ethyl Fenchol
Ethyl Furoate
Ethyl Heptanoate
Ethyl Hexanoate
Ethyl Isovalerate
Ethyl Lactate
Ethyl Laurate
Ethyl Levulinate
Ethyl Maltol
Ethyl Methyl Phenylglycidate
Ethyl Myristate
Ethyl Nonanoate
Ethyl Octadecanoate
Ethyl Octanoate
Ethyl Oleate
Ethyl Palmitate
Ethyl Phenylacetate
Ethyl Propionate
Ethyl Salicylate
Ethyl trans-2-Butenoate
Ethyl Valerate
Ethyl Vanillin
2-Ethyl (or Methyl)-(3,5 and 6)-Methoxypyrazine
2-Ethyl-1-Hexanol, 3-Ethyl -2 -Hydroxy-2-Cyclopenten-1-One
2-Ethyl-3, (5 or 6)-Dimethylpyrazine
5-Ethyl-3-Hydroxy-4-Methyl-2(5H)-Furanone
2-Ethyl-3-Methylpyrazine
4-Ethylbenzaldehyde
4-Ethylguaiacol
para-Ethylphenol
3-Ethylpyridine
Eucalyptol
Farnesol
D-Fenchone
Fennel Sweet Oil
Fenugreek, Extract, Resin, and Absolute
Fig Juice Concentrate
Food Starch Modified
Furfuryl Mercaptan
4-(2-Furyl)-3-Buten-2-One
Galbanum Oil
Genet Absolute
Gentian Root Extract
Geraniol
Geranium Rose Oil
Geranyl Acetate
Geranyl Butyrate
Geranyl Formate
Geranyl Isovalerate
Geranyl Phenylacetate
Ginger Oil and Oleoresin
1-Glutamic Acid
1-Glutamine
Glycerol
Glycyrrhizin Ammoniated
Grape Juice Concentrate
Guaiac Wood Oil
Guaiacol
Guar Gum
2,4-Heptadienal
gamma-Heptalactone
Heptanoic Acid
2-Heptanone
3-Hepten-2-One
2-Hepten-4-One
4-Heptenal
trans -2-Heptenal
Heptyl Acetate
omega-6-Hexadecenlactone
gamma-Hexalactone
Hexanal
Hexanoic Acid
2-Hexen-1-Ol
3-Hexen-1-Ol
cis-3-Hexen-1-Yl Acetate
2-Hexenal
3-Hexenoic Acid
trans-2-Hexenoic Acid
cis-3-Hexenyl Formate
Hexyl 2-Methylbutyrate
Hexyl Acetate
Hexyl Alcohol
Hexyl Phenylacetate
1-Histidine
Honey
Hops Oil
Hydrolyzed Milk Solids
Hydrolyzed Plant Proteins
5-Hydroxy-2,4-Decadienoic Acid delta- Lactone
4-Hydroxy-2,5-Dimethyl-3(2H)-Furanone
2-Hydroxy-3,5,5-Trimethyl-2-Cyclohexen-1-One
4-Hydroxy -3-Pentenoic Acid Lactone
2-Hydroxy-4-Methylbenzaldehyde
4-Hydroxybutanoic Acid Lactone
Hydroxycitronellal
6-Hydroxydihydrotheaspirane
4-(para-Hydroxyphenyl)-2-Butanone
Hyssop Oil
Immortelle Absolute and Extract
alpha-Ionone
beta-Ionone
alpha-Irone
Isoamyl Acetate
Isoamyl Benzoate
Isoamyl Butyrate
Isoamyl Cinnamate
Isoamyl Formate, Isoamyl Hexanoate
Isoamyl Isovalerate
Isoamyl Octanoate
Isoamyl Phenylacetate
Isobornyl Acetate
Isobutyl Acetate
Isobutyl Alcohol
Isobutyl Cinnamate
Isobutyl Phenylacetate
Isobutyl Salicylate
2-Isobutyl-3-Methoxypyrazine
alpha-Isobutylphenethyl Alcohol
Isobutyraldehyde
Isobutyric Acid
d,l-Isoleucine
alpha-Isomethylionone
2-Isopropylphenol
Isovaleric Acid
Jasmine Absolute, Concrete and Oil
Kola Nut Extract
Labdanum Absolute and Oleoresin
Lactic Acid
Lauric Acid
Lauric Aldehyde
Lavandin Oil
Lavender Oil
Lemon Oil and Extract
Lemongrass Oil
1-Leucine
Levulinic Acid
Licorice Root, Fluid, Extract and Powder
Lime Oil
Linalool
Linalool Oxide
Linalyl Acetate
Linden Flowers
Lovage Oil And Extract
1-Lysine]
Mace Powder, Extract and Oil
Magnesium Carbonate
Malic Acid
Malt and Malt Extract
Maltodextrin
Maltol
Maltyl Isobutyrate
Mandarin Oil
Maple Syrup and Concentrate
Mate Leaf, Absolute and Oil
para-Mentha-8-Thiol-3-One
Menthol
Menthone
Menthyl Acetate
dl-Methionine
Methoprene
2-Methoxy-4-Methylphenol
2-Methoxy-4-Vinylphenol
para-Methoxybenzaldehyde
1-(para-Methoxyphenyl)-1-Penten-3-One
4-(para-Methoxyphenyl)-2-Butanone
1-(para-Methoxyphenyl)-2-Propanone
Methoxypyrazine
Methyl 2-Furoate
Methyl 2-Octynoate
Methyl 2-Pyrrolyl Ketone
Methyl Anisate
Methyl Anthranilate
Methyl Benzoate
Methyl Cinnamate
Methyl Dihydrojasmonate
Methyl Ester of Rosin, Partially Hydrogenated
Methyl Isovalerate
Methyl Linoleate (48%)
Methyl Linolenate (52%) Mixture
Methyl Naphthyl Ketone
Methyl Nicotinate
Methyl Phenylacetate
Methyl Salicylate
Methyl Sulfide
3-Methyl-1-Cyclopentadecanone
4-Methyl-1-Phenyl-2-Pentanone
5-Methyl-2-Phenyl-2-Hexenal
5-Methyl-2-Thiophenecarboxaldehyde
6-Methyl-3,-5-Heptadien-2-One
2-Methyl-3-(para-Isopropylphenyl) Propionaldehyde
5-Methyl-3-Hexen-2-One
1-Methyl-3Methoxy-4-Isopropylbenzene
4-Methyl-3-Pentene-2-One
2-Methyl-4-Phenylbutyraldehyde
6-Methyl-5-Hepten-2-One
4-Methyl-5-Thiazoleethanol
4-Methyl-5-Vinylthiazole
Methyl-alpha-Ionone
Methyl-trans-2-Butenoic Acid
4-Methylacetophenone
para-Methylanisole
alpha-Methylbenzyl Acetate
alpha-Methylbenzyl Alcohol
2-Methylbutyraldehyde
3-Methylbutyraldehyde
2-Methylbutyric Acid
alpha-Methylcinnamaldehyde
Methylcyclopentenolone
2-Methylheptanoic Acid
2-Methylhexanoic Acid
3-Methylpentanoic Acid
4-Methylpentanoic Acid
2-Methylpyrazine
5-Methylquinoxaline
2-Methyltetrahydrofuran-3-One
(Methylthio)Methylpyrazine (Mixture Of Isomers)
3-Methylthiopropionaldehyde
Methyl 3-Methylthiopropionate
2-Methylvaleric Acid
Mimosa Absolute and Extract
Molasses Extract and Tincture
Mountain Maple Solid Extract
Mullein Flowers
Myristaldehyde
Myristic Acid
Myrrh Oil
beta-Napthyl Ethyl Ether
Nerol
Neroli Bigarde Oil
Nerolidol
Nona-2-trans,6-cis-Dienal
2,6-Nonadien-1-Ol
gamma-Nonalactone
Nonanal
Nonanoic Acid
Nonanone
trans-2-Nonen-1-Ol
2-Nonenal
Nonyl Acetate
Nutmeg Powder and Oil
Oak Chips Extract and Oil
Oak Moss Absolute
9,12-Octadecadienoic Acid (48%) And 9,12,15-Octadecatrienoic Acid (52%)
delta-Octalactone
gamma-Octalactone
Octanal
Octanoic Acid
1-Octanol
2-Octanone
3-Octen-2-One
1-Octen-3-Ol
1-Octen-3-Yl Acetate
2-Octenal
Octyl Isobutyrate
Oleic Acid
Olibanum Oil
Opoponax Oil And Gum
Orange Blossoms Water, Absolute, and Leaf Absolute
Orange Oil and Extract
Origanum Oil
Orris Concrete Oil and Root Extract
Palmarosa Oil
Palmitic Acid
Parsley Seed Oil
Patchouli Oil
omega-Pentadecalactone
2,3-Pentanedione
2-Pentanone
4-Pentenoic Acid
2-Pentylpyridine
Pepper Oil, Black And White
Peppermint Oil
Peruvian (Bois De Rose) Oil
Petitgrain Absolute, Mandarin Oil and Terpeneless Oil
alpha-Phellandrene
2-Phenenthyl Acetate
Phenenthyl Alcohol
Phenethyl Butyrate
Phenethyl Cinnamate
Phenethyl Isobutyrate
Phenethyl Isovalerate
Phenethyl Phenylacetate
Phenethyl Salicylate
1-Phenyl-1-Propanol
3-Phenyl-1-Propanol
2-Phenyl-2-Butenal
4-Phenyl-3-Buten-2-Ol
4-Phenyl-3-Buten-2-One
Phenylacetaldehyde
Phenylacetic Acid
1-Phenylalanine
3-Phenylpropionaldehyde
3-Phenylpropionic Acid
3-Phenylpropyl Acetate
3-Phenylpropyl Cinnamate
2-(3-Phenylpropyl)Tetrahydrofuran
Phosphoric Acid
Pimenta Leaf Oil
Pine Needle Oil, Pine Oil, Scotch
Pineapple Juice Concentrate
alpha-Pinene, beta-Pinene
D-Piperitone
Piperonal
Pipsissewa Leaf Extract
Plum Juice
Potassium Sorbate
1-Proline
Propenylguaethol
Propionic Acid
Propyl Acetate
Propyl para-Hydroxybenzoate
Propylene Glycol
3-Propylidenephthalide
Prune Juice and Concentrate
Pyridine
Pyroligneous Acid And Extract
Pyrrole
Pyruvic Acid
Raisin Juice Concentrate
Rhodinol
Rose Absolute and Oil
Rosemary Oil
Rum
Rum Ether
Rye Extract
Sage, Sage Oil, and Sage Oleoresin
Salicylaldehyde
Sandalwood Oil, Yellow
Sclareolide
Skatole
Smoke Flavor
Snakeroot Oil
Sodium Acetate
Sodium Benzoate
Sodium Bicarbonate
Sodium Carbonate
Sodium Chloride
Sodium Citrate
Sodium Hydroxide
Solanone
Spearmint Oil
Styrax Extract, Gum and Oil
Sucrose Octaacetate
Sugar Alcohols
Sugars
Tagetes Oil
Tannic Acid
Tartaric Acid
Tea Leaf and Absolute
alpha-Terpineol
Terpinolene
Terpinyl Acetate
5,6,7,8-Tetrahydroquinoxaline
1,5,5,9-Tetramethyl-13-Oxatricyclo(8.3.0.0(4,9))Tridecane
2,3,4,5, and 3,4,5,6-Tetramethylethyl-Cyclohexanone
2,3,5,6-Tetramethylpyrazine
Thiamine Hydrochloride
Thiazole
1-Threonine
Thyme Oil, White and Red
Thymol
Tobacco Extracts
Tochopherols (mixed)
Tolu Balsam Gum and Extract
Tolualdehydes
para-Tolyl 3-Methylbutyrate
para-Tolyl Acetaldehyde
para-Tolyl Acetate
para-Tolyl Isobutyrate
para-Tolyl Phenylacetate
Triacetin
2-Tridecanone
2-Tridecenal
Triethyl Citrate
3,5,5-Trimethyl -1-Hexanol
para,alpha,alpha-Trimethylbenzyl Alcohol
4-(2,6,6-Trimethylcyclohex-1-Enyl)But-2-En-4-One
2,6,6-Trimethylcyclohex-2-Ene-1,4-Dione
2,6,6-Trimethylcyclohexa-1,3-Dienyl Methan
4-(2,6,6-Trimethylcyclohexa-1,3-Dienyl)But-2-En-4-One
2,2,6-Trimethylcyclohexanone
2,3,5-Trimethylpyrazine
1-Tyrosine
delta-Undercalactone
gamma-Undecalactone
Undecanal
2-Undecanone, 1
0-Undecenal
Urea
Valencene
Valeraldehyde
Valerian Root Extract, Oil and Powder
Valeric Acid
gamma-Valerolactone
Valine
Vanilla Extract And Oleoresin
Vanillin
Veratraldehyde
Vetiver Oil
Vinegar
Violet Leaf Absolute
Walnut Hull Extract
Water
Wheat Extract And Flour
Wild Cherry Bark Extract
Wine and Wine Sherry
Xanthan Gum
3,4-Xylenol
Yeast




not in my lungs, thanks!

 

[Ausm]

Originally posted by: psteng19

Originally posted by: jagec
People who REALLY care about their health don't usually spend all their time in bars...

Employees don't have a choice and that's what this law is really about, for the most part.

I hear ya there. I wish they banned smoking where I work too. My Boss smokes 4-5 packs per day. He also doesn't give a shat when he blows smoke in your face either. I bitched at him about it and he got a mini fan in his office which just blows it out by me faster:roll:


Ausm

 

[OdiN]

Originally posted by: Ausm

Originally posted by: psteng19

Originally posted by: jagec
People who REALLY care about their health don't usually spend all their time in bars...

Employees don't have a choice and that's what this law is really about, for the most part.

I hear ya there. I wish they banned smoking where I work too. My Boss smokes 4-5 packs per day. He also doesn't give a shat when he blows smoke in your face either. I bitched at him about it and he got a mini fan in his office which just blows it out by me faster:roll:


Ausm

I would turn the fan around. Start leaving a bunch of poo in bags on his desk.

 

[OdiN]

Originally posted by: BigJ

Originally posted by: SagaLore

Originally posted by: BigJ

Originally posted by: SagaLore

Originally posted by: BigJ
If they want to work in a smoke free environment, they need to work somewhere else then. Smoking was allowed before they took the job, so they knew damn well what they were getting into.

Yea, we really need to let people smoke while they're eating. It would also be really good if we built toilets right into the chairs, because it isn't fair we make everyone leave the dining area to relieve themselves.

Besides that being a completely ridiculous statement that has nothing to do with what I said, we're missing the point.

It still is an erosion of private property rights. But as long as it's not me getting gored, everything is OK right?

You're elevating the right of full control over private property over the public health. Same excuse used to keep Slavery going for so long.

It was not a rediculous statement. To a non-smoker, someone taking a crap a few tables over is no different than lighting up a cigarette - and they're both unhealthy to do around other people.

Oh please.

Public health? Things like asbestos, shoddy electrical work, etc are all things that may be unseen by the public that pose a huge, huge risk to their health. Those are things that should be controlled and regulated. There's nothing an individual could do about that.

Unlike smoke and smoking, which people can choose to avoid by simply going to another restaurant or bar. Something employers can avoid by not working there. It's nothing new. Employees and frequenters of the establishment knew long beforehand that it was a smoking establishment, knew that they were about to be employed by a smoking establishment, and knew that they were about to sit down to a drink or meal in a smoking establishment.

I'm not even going to get into how ludicrous your statement about smoking and slavery being linked based on control of property rights.

And considering I'm pretty much a non-smoker (I'll have a cigarette or two every few months when I'm out drinking), I guarantee you that someone taking a crap would be much more offensive than someone lighting up a cigarette. Also, show me studies on how many people have died as a direct result of second hand smoke? Show me how many people die or get sick from germs related to unsanitary washroom practices.

You can see they are extremely different. Enough indulging your wild connections and comparisons.

For one...when smoking was allowed here there were no such things as smoke free bars or restaurants. They all allowed it, which is BS.

Couldn't even go to the bowling alley without ending up with disgusting smoke smelling clothes because of these disrespectful tards.

I still say there should be legislation banning anyone from smoking anywhere in public period. Inside or outside.

A non-smokers right to NOT breath in all that crap superceeds the smokers right to smoke.

 

[BigJ]

Originally posted by: OdiN

A non-smokers right to NOT breath in all that crap superceeds the smokers right to smoke.

Why?

And better yet, why should it on private property?

 

[Damn Dirty Ape]

That's great. Now a few more steps to keeping that foul stench in the person's own property ONLY.

It's coming folks. 5 years ago you all never saw these smoking bans coming like they have, did ya? Chicago today..

 

[michaeljames]

tobacco in the form that it's bought and sold should be completely illegal to posses, purchase, consume, etc..

it is absolutely nasty. the consumption of it is of no benefit whatsoever to the human body. in fact every study ever done on consumption of it shows that it is completely detrimental to the human body. millions of people die every year from the ill effects of consumption.

it is a LEMMING habit. that has been passed on for decades. it is about time we make a smart choice as a society and stop passing this bad habit on to future generations.

THAT"S THE BOTTOM LINE.

 

[BigJ]

Originally posted by: michaeljames
tobacco in the form that it's bought and sold should be completely illegal to posses, purchase, consume, etc..

it is absolutely nasty. the consumption of it is of no benefit whatsoever to the human body. in fact every study ever done on consumption of it shows that it is completely detrimental to the human body. millions of people die every year from the ill effects of consumption.

it is a LEMMING habit. that has been passed on for decades. it is about time we make a smart choice as a society and stop passing this bad habit on to future generations.

THAT"S THE BOTTOM LINE.

I'm going to write my Congressman and ask him to pass a law banning alcohol, preservatives, and snack foods.

They are a LEMMING habit. that has been passed on for decades. it is about time we make a smart choice as a society and stop passing these bad habits on to future generations.

 

[ahurtt]

Originally posted by: BigJ

Originally posted by: OdiN

A non-smokers right to NOT breath in all that crap superceeds the smokers right to smoke.

Why?

And better yet, why should it on private property?

There is a major difference between private property (your home) and a privately owned but public gathering place. If you are a smoker I bet you still take comfort in the fact that bar/restaurant employees are required to wash their hands after using the restroom. I bet you take solace in the fact you can eat your food without much fear of it being contaminated by rat turd because the public health inspector is required to come around and ensure that the place is sanitary and fit to prepare food and drink for public consumption. The bar owner needs a liquor license to serve alcohol although it is a private establishment. . .I don't hear people complaining about these things. Why? Becasue if you are operating a public establishment, you have to go by the public rules. Do what you want in your house. But this has been a long time coming. You can't just pick and choose what health standards you want to enforce in your bar. Evidence has suggested for quite a long time now that smoking is a risk to the health of smokers and non-smokers alike. New laws like this should not surprise anybody. We've all been educated about smoking by now. Unless you've had your head burried in the sand, you should have been wondering why laws like this took so long in coming.

 

[ahurtt]

Originally posted by: BigJ

Originally posted by: michaeljames
tobacco in the form that it's bought and sold should be completely illegal to posses, purchase, consume, etc..

it is absolutely nasty. the consumption of it is of no benefit whatsoever to the human body. in fact every study ever done on consumption of it shows that it is completely detrimental to the human body. millions of people die every year from the ill effects of consumption.

it is a LEMMING habit. that has been passed on for decades. it is about time we make a smart choice as a society and stop passing this bad habit on to future generations.

THAT"S THE BOTTOM LINE.

I'm going to write my Congressman and ask him to pass a law banning alcohol, preservatives, and snack foods.

They are a LEMMING habit. that has been passed on for decades. it is about time we make a smart choice as a society and stop passing these bad habits on to future generations.

Ok fine, but please only ban the alcohol and snack foods that also go into other people's bodies when consumed by one person in the proximity of said other people

 

[OdiN]

Originally posted by: BigJ

Originally posted by: OdiN

A non-smokers right to NOT breath in all that crap superceeds the smokers right to smoke.

Why?

And better yet, why should it on private property?

You have to ask why? Are you that dense?

Again...if you think that my right to breathe poison-free air doesn't superceed the smokers right to smoke....well then I suppose I get to staple a bag of dog poo to all the smokers lips so they have to smell that all the time.

If they can be so disrespectful to other people and think that it is okay, then I should get to make them smell the most horrid smell I can come up with...that's only fair right?

Private property as in a persons home...I don't care. Smoke in your house all you want.

Private property as in a bar/restaurant/store....they are open to the public and smokers shouldn't be allowed to smoke there.

I suppose you are one of those littering smokers too? Do you have any idea how many smokers I see toss butts out the window of their car, or just anywhere on the street? They should be fined for that.

 

[michaeljames]

Originally posted by: BigJ

Originally posted by: michaeljames
tobacco in the form that it's bought and sold should be completely illegal to posses, purchase, consume, etc..

it is absolutely nasty. the consumption of it is of no benefit whatsoever to the human body. in fact every study ever done on consumption of it shows that it is completely detrimental to the human body. millions of people die every year from the ill effects of consumption.

it is a LEMMING habit. that has been passed on for decades. it is about time we make a smart choice as a society and stop passing this bad habit on to future generations.

THAT"S THE BOTTOM LINE.

I'm going to write my Congressman and ask him to pass a law banning alcohol, preservatives, and snack foods.

They are a LEMMING habit. that has been passed on for decades. it is about time we make a smart choice as a society and stop passing these bad habits on to future generations.

I'm with ya buddy. strictly vegetarian here. i don't consume any processed foods. I'm 30 and I look like i'm 20. I love it. I love seeing my old friends from high school and watching them rot from the inside out. you know why i think it's funny. cuz they are the ones who laugh at me when i say i'm a vegetarian.

We as a society have gotten so far off track. convenience foods might have saved us time, but at the same time, they are shaving years off of peoples lives.

 

[OdiN]

Originally posted by: michaeljames

Originally posted by: BigJ

Originally posted by: michaeljames
tobacco in the form that it's bought and sold should be completely illegal to posses, purchase, consume, etc..

it is absolutely nasty. the consumption of it is of no benefit whatsoever to the human body. in fact every study ever done on consumption of it shows that it is completely detrimental to the human body. millions of people die every year from the ill effects of consumption.

it is a LEMMING habit. that has been passed on for decades. it is about time we make a smart choice as a society and stop passing this bad habit on to future generations.

THAT"S THE BOTTOM LINE.

I'm going to write my Congressman and ask him to pass a law banning alcohol, preservatives, and snack foods.

They are a LEMMING habit. that has been passed on for decades. it is about time we make a smart choice as a society and stop passing these bad habits on to future generations.

I'm with ya buddy. strictly vegetarian here. i don't consume any processed foods. I'm 30 and I look like i'm 20. I love it. I love seeing my old friends from high school and watching them rot from the inside out.

We as a society have gotten so far off track. convenience foods might have saved us time, but at the same time, they are shaving years off of peoples lives.

ROOFLES. Red meat is good.

 

[ahurtt]

Originally posted by: OdiN


I suppose you are one of those littering smokers too? Do you have any idea how many smokers I see toss butts out the window of their car, or just anywhere on the street? They should be fined for that.

Lets keep it on topic. Throwing cig butts on the ground is just littering and littering is not a problem confined solely to smokers. Littering can be fined in most places should a law enforcement officer happen to see it and choose to enforce said law. Doesn't matter if it's a cig butt or a big mac wrapper.

 

[RFtesla]

Here's how I see it. I agree that public buildings ie. courthouses and government buildings should be smoke free. However, I differ on private grounds. You have no right to go into a bar. It is the owners business practices that let you inside.

Why should the government decide on how to regulate small businesses on matters such as this. If the owner wishes to keep his current clientelle by allowing smoking, it should be his right. On the otherhand, if he wanted to ban smoking in his establishment he might gain or lose customers based on that new policy.

Just like our liberties, private ownership is being slowly chipped away.

 

[Mr.IncrediblyBored]

Originally posted by: ahurtt
There is a major difference between private property (your home) and a privately owned but public gathering place. If you are a smoker I bet you still take comfort in the fact that bar/restaurant employees are required to wash their hands after using the restroom. I bet you take solace in the fact you can eat your food without much fear of it being contaminated by rat turd because the public health inspector is required to come around and ensure that the place is sanitary and fit to prepare food and drink for public consumption. The bar owner needs a liquor license to serve alcohol although it is a private establishment. . .I don't hear people complaining about these things. Why? Becasue if you are operating a public establishment, you have to go by the public rules. Do what you want in your house. But this has been a long time coming. You can't just pick and choose what health standards you want to enforce in your bar. Evidence has suggested for quite a long time now that smoking is a risk to the health of smokers and non-smokers alike. New laws like this should not surprise anybody. We've all been educated about smoking by now. Unless you've had your head burried in the sand, you should have been wondering why laws like this took so long in coming.

Health standards for food preparation are in place because the patrons have zero control over the employees cooking their food. Standards are in place so customers don't get salmonella poisoning from uncooked poultry or E.coli from mishandled beef. There is an immediate threat from bacterial illnesses caused by unsanitary kitchens. Exposure to second hand smoke is not even remotly comparable - not even from long term exposure.

"Won't somebody please think of the employees!"

There are hundreds of jobs that put the employees at some health risk. How does OSHA handle exposure for other air-born substances? They impose limits to employee exposure, based on quantifiable scientific research!

Why not require the use of more effective ventilation systems? Instead they choose to trample over the rights of the minority by banning it completely.

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: psteng19

Originally posted by: jagec
People who REALLY care about their health don't usually spend all their time in bars...

Employees don't have a choice and that's what this law is really about, for the most part.

the employees are now the slaves of the bar owners?

not that second hand smoke has ever been proven to hurt anyone.

in fact, the WHO buried the results of their 30 year study. now why would WHO, which has for years preached of the dangers of second hand smoke, bury their own study? could it be that the study showed that second hand smoke injurs no one? or even that it is somewhat beneficial? of course, we'll never know.

 

[AMDZen]

I've been in clubs that don't allow smoking.

I smoke any way.

Imagine that.

 

[OdiN]

Originally posted by: KnightBreed

Originally posted by: ahurtt
There is a major difference between private property (your home) and a privately owned but public gathering place. If you are a smoker I bet you still take comfort in the fact that bar/restaurant employees are required to wash their hands after using the restroom. I bet you take solace in the fact you can eat your food without much fear of it being contaminated by rat turd because the public health inspector is required to come around and ensure that the place is sanitary and fit to prepare food and drink for public consumption. The bar owner needs a liquor license to serve alcohol although it is a private establishment. . .I don't hear people complaining about these things. Why? Becasue if you are operating a public establishment, you have to go by the public rules. Do what you want in your house. But this has been a long time coming. You can't just pick and choose what health standards you want to enforce in your bar. Evidence has suggested for quite a long time now that smoking is a risk to the health of smokers and non-smokers alike. New laws like this should not surprise anybody. We've all been educated about smoking by now. Unless you've had your head burried in the sand, you should have been wondering why laws like this took so long in coming.

Health standards for food preparation are in place because the patrons have zero control over the employees cooking their food. Standards are in place so customers don't get salmonella poisoning from uncooked poultry or E.coli from mishandled beef. There is an immediate threat from bacterial illnesses caused by unsanitary kitchens. Exposure to second hand smoke is not even remotly comparable - not even from long term exposure.

"Won't somebody please think of the employees!"

There are hundreds of jobs that put the employees at some health risk. How does OSHA handle exposure for other air-born substances? They impose limits to employee exposure, based on quantifiable scientific research!

Why not require the use of more effective ventilation systems? Instead they choose to trample over the rights of the minority by banning it completely.

I support ventillation systems. Smokers should have to wear a contained body suit when they smoke so that only they breathe their smoke and not others.

 

[zbalat]

Originally posted by: michaeljames

Originally posted by: BigJ

Originally posted by: michaeljames
tobacco in the form that it's bought and sold should be completely illegal to posses, purchase, consume, etc..

it is absolutely nasty. the consumption of it is of no benefit whatsoever to the human body. in fact every study ever done on consumption of it shows that it is completely detrimental to the human body. millions of people die every year from the ill effects of consumption.

it is a LEMMING habit. that has been passed on for decades. it is about time we make a smart choice as a society and stop passing this bad habit on to future generations.

THAT"S THE BOTTOM LINE.

I'm going to write my Congressman and ask him to pass a law banning alcohol, preservatives, and snack foods.

They are a LEMMING habit. that has been passed on for decades. it is about time we make a smart choice as a society and stop passing these bad habits on to future generations.

I'm with ya buddy. strictly vegetarian here. i don't consume any processed foods. I'm 30 and I look like i'm 20. I love it. I love seeing my old friends from high school and watching them rot from the inside out. you know why i think it's funny. cuz they are the ones who laugh at me when i say i'm a vegetarian.

We as a society have gotten so far off track. convenience foods might have saved us time, but at the same time, they are shaving years off of peoples lives.

I can sit next to you at a bar and drink 4 beers and you won't feel a thing.

I can sit next to you and pound 5 Big Macs and you won't gain an ounce.

You can sit next to me and slam asparagus and I will not get the vitamins.

Either one of us smoke next to each other and it affects both of us PERIOD.

 

[ahurtt]

Originally posted by: KnightBreed

Originally posted by: ahurtt
There is a major difference between private property (your home) and a privately owned but public gathering place. If you are a smoker I bet you still take comfort in the fact that bar/restaurant employees are required to wash their hands after using the restroom. I bet you take solace in the fact you can eat your food without much fear of it being contaminated by rat turd because the public health inspector is required to come around and ensure that the place is sanitary and fit to prepare food and drink for public consumption. The bar owner needs a liquor license to serve alcohol although it is a private establishment. . .I don't hear people complaining about these things. Why? Becasue if you are operating a public establishment, you have to go by the public rules. Do what you want in your house. But this has been a long time coming. You can't just pick and choose what health standards you want to enforce in your bar. Evidence has suggested for quite a long time now that smoking is a risk to the health of smokers and non-smokers alike. New laws like this should not surprise anybody. We've all been educated about smoking by now. Unless you've had your head burried in the sand, you should have been wondering why laws like this took so long in coming.

Health standards for food preparation are in place because the patrons have zero control over the employees cooking their food. Standards are in place so customers don't get salmonella poisoning from uncooked poultry or E.coli from mishandled beef. There is an immediate threat from bacterial illnesses caused by unsanitary kitchens. Exposure to second hand smoke is not even remotly comparable - not even from long term exposure.

"Won't somebody please think of the employees!"

There are hundreds of jobs that put the employees at some health risk. How does OSHA handle exposure for other air-born substances? They impose limits to employee exposure, based on quantifiable scientific research!

Why not require the use of more effective ventilation systems? Instead they choose to trample over the rights of the minority by banning it completely.

It went through democratic process and was voted on. The ban won. That's how laws are made. Nobody's rights were trampled.

 

[Mr.IncrediblyBored]

Originally posted by: OdiN
I support ventillation systems. Smokers should have to wear a contained body suit when they smoke so that only they breathe their smoke and not others.

I think Amused was wise to avoid arguing in this thread - too many idiots without a rational thought in their head.

I think we're done here. Cheers.:beer:

 

[Mr.IncrediblyBored]

Originally posted by: ahurtt
It went through democratic process and was voted on. The ban won. That's how laws are made. Nobody's rights were trampled.

Just because a measure was approved by a panel of representatives, doesn't mean that private citizen's rights weren't trampled in the process.

The goverment in Jersey took away the rights of private businesses to allow smoking in their establishment. You don't see that as "trampling over the rights of the minority"? The term "minority" in this context refers to business owners and those that oppose the new law.

 

[OdiN]

Originally posted by: KnightBreed

Originally posted by: OdiN
I support ventillation systems. Smokers should have to wear a contained body suit when they smoke so that only they breathe their smoke and not others.

I think Amused was wise to avoid arguing in this thread - too many idiots without a rational thought in their head.

I think we're done here. Cheers.:beer:

Yeah...need to get rid of them.