Codey Makes It Illegal To Smoke In Bars...

[Beige]

Originally posted by: Leper Messiah
fvck that. I'm not visiting new jesery. whats next, your own home?!

Maybe..might get passed as a fire hazard LOL...then again theres a stove, fireplace, 50-100 year old heating system in your basement. >_<

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: mastertech01
I quit a year ago after 33 years. I have a few reasons too. They can legislate away as far as I am concerned. It almost killed me, maybe they can save a few others. IMHO

1. No longer are my walls of the house, central heat and air, curtains, ceilings, carpeting, furniture permanently coated with thick nasty nicotine vapor.
2. No longer are my electronics circuit boards in my computers, monitors, televisions, appliances, etc permanently coated with nicotine.
3. No longer does everything in the house carry a vile nasty aroma of old stale nicotine and smoke.
4. No longer do my clothes smell so bad that it offends people I stand next to.
5. No longer does my breath resemble the smell of a loaded ashtray.
6. No longer do loaded ashtrays reek their awful smell about their various locations in the home.
7. No longer does my automobile have its interior ruined by the smell of cigarette smoke and nicotine, which depreciated it?s value substantially at each trade in.
8. No longer do my children and spouse have to live with the stench that also was attached to them because of my inconsideration of their health and welfare because of my addiction.
9. No longer do my children or spouse worry about the affects of second hand smoking on their future health.
10. No longer are my family members embarrassed by the visitors in our home or automobile who react negatively or sickened to the smells of my nasty habit.
11. No longer do my church family have to be friendly in the face of disgusting offensive nicotine breath and stank clothing during services.
12. No longer am I paying out a fortune for something that is literally KILLING ME silently and falsely offering a fool his perceived pleasure.
13. No longer am as worried if I will live a little longer because I just cant quit, because I discovered the only one stopping me from living a little longer is the very person who desired to live a little longer. I am no longer a slave to this disgusting murdering habit!!
14. I can breath easier knowing my family breaths easier as well.
15. No longer does every bit of dust floating in the air STICK to whatever it lands on because it is caked with sticky nicotine.
16. No more cigarette burns in clothing, carpeting, and furniture as well as other objects.

Just a few of the many reasons.

I quit a few years ago after nearly 20 years of 2-3 packs a day myself, and agree with all your points but your first sentence.

Never, in my entire life, would I seek to limit the rights and freedoms of anyone else. Businesses are still private property, and property owners should have the right and freedom to control what does, and doesn't happen on their property.

If a customer doesn't like it, they can choose to not patronize that business. If an employee doesn't like it, they can choose to find employment elsewhere.

It really is that simple. Personally, I do not favor places that reek of smoke. However, in doing so, I fully respect the rights of property owners to allow their property to reek like that nasty crap.

Just as with drugs and alcohol, you cannot legislate this away. The only way to help is through education and public opinion. Legislation did not cut the rate of smoking. Education did that. Just as the war on drugs has not had any effect on addiction, but education has.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: SpecialEd
all this talk of public vs private property is irrelavant.

If a person wants to start a private restuarant business in any state, they need to apply for a permit and agree to follow state regulations. Thats why we have rules about employees washing hands and not having maggots in the food served. When owners get their permits they understand and agree that the state can change the conditions at any time. If owners don't like it, they can take their business to a different state. Just like patrons that don't like it can move to different states as well.

There is a difference between hidden, uninfomed dangers such as food poisoning, and obvious annoyances such as smoking. That a business allows smoking would be readily apparent to a patron and/or prospective employee and they can make the decision to enter, or not.

That other regulations exist is NOT an argument for any and all new regulations. Not by a long shot.

 

[Leper Messiah]

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: Leper Messiah
fvck that. I'm not visiting new jesery. whats next, your own home?!

c'mon... next will not be your own home. you can plug up every orifice you have with a cig in the privacy of your own home.

the way OdiN is talking He'd like it for me not to smoke unless I was all alone. My house, my rules. My business, should be my rules too.

 

[DanTMWTMP]

every single state should implement this.

one time i went to chicago, and they asked "smoking or nonsmoking" section. "woa, i haven't heard that in years..."

<----CA resident.

*applauds decision*

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: DanTMWTMP
every single state should implement this.

one time i went to chicago, and they asked "smoking or nonsmoking" section. "woa, i haven't heard that in years..."

<----CA resident.

*applauds decision*

No one cares until it's their bull being gored.

 

[epsilon]

Attn. Smokers.


You have a drug addiction. A drug addiction that gives other people cancer. You have no rights. If you want to work on those tumors do it in a place where it doesn't effect me. That is all.

 

[Bozono]

Originally posted by: epsilon

Preety silly, I agree.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: epsilon
Attn. Smokers.


You have a drug addiction. A drug addiction that gives other people cancer. You have no rights. If you want to work on those tumors do it in a place where it doesn't effect me. That is all.

As has already been pointed out, from where do you derive the right to tell property owners what they can, and cannot do on their property?

You don't like it? Fine, don't go into a business that allows it. I no longer smoke and won't go into a business that reeks of smoke... but I would never dream of telling a business owner he can't smoke, or allow others to smoke on his PRIVATE PROPERTY.

Finally, the idea that occasional, light exposure to tobacco smoke causes cancer is absurd. Even the cherry picked minority of studies that claimed to show harm that were used by the EPA to create their fraudulent report only showed a nearly negligible increase in disease among those exposed to heavy amounts of smoke in enclosed areas on a daily basis all day long. NONE have showed any increase among people exposed on an inconsistent basis to light whiffs of smoke.

The mindless panic over ETS is simply sad... and not led by any true fear of disease, but by a simple dislike for the smell.

 

[KK]

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: Leper Messiah
fvck that. I'm not visiting new jesery. whats next, your own home?!

c'mon... next will not be your own home. you can plug up every orifice you have with a cig in the privacy of your own home.

I believe in some states it's illegal to fvck in the ass.

 

[Glavinsolo]

Argument: Show me one source saying that second hand smoke is worse for you.
Answer: Well basically, when you smoke your cig you are sucking on a filter. The smoke that is emitted out of the cig itself is unfiltered. The unfiltered smoke, known as second hand smoke, contains more tar and chemicals.

Not saying that it is extremely worse than you actually smoking the cig, cause it isn't. Dangerous for the second hand smoker? yes. But you are taking in a much larger amount than I am with your left overs.

I havn't gone to a bar since I quit smoking some 3years ago. If this was initiated in my area, I might go out play pool or darts again. Which in some cases draw more business for the bar, lose business in other places. I don't mind the smoke if the bar is well ventilated, but many are not.

I am 100% serious when I say the following though. See this as an opportunity to be an entreprenuer. Open a hookah/cigar lounge and make bank when this law passes in your area.

 

[eits]

Originally posted by: DanTMWTMP
every single state should implement this.

one time i went to chicago, and they asked "smoking or nonsmoking" section. "woa, i haven't heard that in years..."

<----CA resident.

*applauds decision*

agreed. i'm from the dc area in maryland and i go to school in shyt-ass st. louis... they ask "smoking or non" and it makes me sick to my stomach just a little bit whenever i hear it.

 

[eits]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: epsilon
Attn. Smokers.


You have a drug addiction. A drug addiction that gives other people cancer. You have no rights. If you want to work on those tumors do it in a place where it doesn't effect me. That is all.

As has already been pointed out, from where do you derive the right to tell property owners what they can, and cannot do on their property?

You don't like it? Fine, don't go into a business that allows it. I no longer smoke and won't go into a business that reeks of smoke... but I would never dream of telling a business owner he can't smoke, or allow others to smoke on his PRIVATE PROPERTY.

Finally, the idea that occasional, light exposure to tobacco smoke causes cancer is absurd. Even the cherry picked minority of studies that claimed to show harm that were used by the EPA to create their fraudulent report only showed a nearly negligible increase in disease among those exposed to heavy amounts of smoke in enclosed areas on a daily basis all day long. NONE have showed any increase among people exposed on an inconsistent basis to light whiffs of smoke.

The mindless panic over ETS is simply sad... and not led by any true fear of disease, but by a simple dislike for the smell.

helps cause and worsen asthma, helps transfer pneumonia diseases, causes second-hand smoke health differences (whether you like admitting it or not), and makes others smell bad. what gives them the right to impose their habit on others? might as well be a republican...

it's easier just to NOT do it in public areas, unless they can figure out a way to keep smoke contained in your own bubble and not bother others.

 

[OdiN]

Originally posted by: Leper Messiah

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: Leper Messiah
fvck that. I'm not visiting new jesery. whats next, your own home?!

c'mon... next will not be your own home. you can plug up every orifice you have with a cig in the privacy of your own home.

the way OdiN is talking He'd like it for me not to smoke unless I was all alone. My house, my rules. My business, should be my rules too.

Put on your suit!!

 

[Robor]

Good. I hope it spreads to the entire country. I live in FL and it's been illegal to smoke indoors for years. Well, they exempted places that get less than 10% of their income from food. There were protests and crying about loss of business. BS. Restaurants and bars are as packed as ever. If anything I go out more because places that had crappy non-smoking sections (they don't work BTW) are smoke free. That said, I don't go to anywhere that still allows smoking.

And to the 'freedom police' - get over it. This is nothing more than a law to protect the *majority* of people who are in fact non-smokers. I can't drink in public or McDonalds or the supermarket and I don't think that's a violation of freedom. Same thing here. There's a time and place for everything. You want to smoke? Fine, do it where it doesn't bother others who don't share your habit.

EDIT: And to those who say second hand smoke doesn't cause health issues. Wrong. My ex-wife lived with her mom for years. While living in that house she had to use a breather for athsma. She left the house and shortly after she didn't have to use the breather anymore and hasn't since. And it wasn't the house because a few years later we purchased the house from here and lived there. Same house - no smoke - no athsma. Imagine that!

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: eits

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: epsilon
Attn. Smokers.


You have a drug addiction. A drug addiction that gives other people cancer. You have no rights. If you want to work on those tumors do it in a place where it doesn't effect me. That is all.

As has already been pointed out, from where do you derive the right to tell property owners what they can, and cannot do on their property?

You don't like it? Fine, don't go into a business that allows it. I no longer smoke and won't go into a business that reeks of smoke... but I would never dream of telling a business owner he can't smoke, or allow others to smoke on his PRIVATE PROPERTY.

Finally, the idea that occasional, light exposure to tobacco smoke causes cancer is absurd. Even the cherry picked minority of studies that claimed to show harm that were used by the EPA to create their fraudulent report only showed a nearly negligible increase in disease among those exposed to heavy amounts of smoke in enclosed areas on a daily basis all day long. NONE have showed any increase among people exposed on an inconsistent basis to light whiffs of smoke.

The mindless panic over ETS is simply sad... and not led by any true fear of disease, but by a simple dislike for the smell.

helps cause and worsen asthma, helps transfer pneumonia diseases, causes second-hand smoke health differences (whether you like admitting it or not), and makes others smell bad. what gives them the right to impose their habit on others? might as well be a republican...

it's easier just to NOT do it in public areas, unless they can figure out a way to keep smoke contained in your own bubble and not bother others.

A private business is NOT a "public" area. It is private property and you are there by invitation and the good graces of the property owner.

Oh, and there is NO evidence that ETS, or even PTS causes asthma. In fact, as the rate of smoking and exposure to ETS has plummeted to all time lows and is still falling, the rate of asthma and asthma related deaths are at an all time high and rising. There is an inverse correlation between the rate of asthma and ETS/PTS... this alone blows any theory that tobacco smoke is the cause of asthma out of the water. Sure, it may give people attacks who have pre-existing asthma... but then, so can perfume.

Asthma is an auto-immune disorder that can be aggravated by environmental conditions... not a disease caused by environmental conditions. And, just as with any allergy or autoimmune disorder, it is up to the individual to avoid those things that cause them discomfort. It is not up to the world to conform to their needs.

Finally, if you don't want to smell bad, don't go someplace that allows smoking. It's that simple.

 

[intogamer]

Originally posted by: Anubis
good, its illegal in MA and in NY

its SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO Great to be able to go to the bar and not reek of ass when you get home
its also funny to watch people freeze their asses off in boston in febuary smoking outside bars and clubs

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: eits

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: epsilon
Attn. Smokers.


You have a drug addiction. A drug addiction that gives other people cancer. You have no rights. If you want to work on those tumors do it in a place where it doesn't effect me. That is all.

As has already been pointed out, from where do you derive the right to tell property owners what they can, and cannot do on their property?

You don't like it? Fine, don't go into a business that allows it. I no longer smoke and won't go into a business that reeks of smoke... but I would never dream of telling a business owner he can't smoke, or allow others to smoke on his PRIVATE PROPERTY.

Finally, the idea that occasional, light exposure to tobacco smoke causes cancer is absurd. Even the cherry picked minority of studies that claimed to show harm that were used by the EPA to create their fraudulent report only showed a nearly negligible increase in disease among those exposed to heavy amounts of smoke in enclosed areas on a daily basis all day long. NONE have showed any increase among people exposed on an inconsistent basis to light whiffs of smoke.

The mindless panic over ETS is simply sad... and not led by any true fear of disease, but by a simple dislike for the smell.

helps cause and worsen asthma, helps transfer pneumonia diseases, causes second-hand smoke health differences (whether you like admitting it or not), and makes others smell bad. what gives them the right to impose their habit on others? might as well be a republican...

it's easier just to NOT do it in public areas, unless they can figure out a way to keep smoke contained in your own bubble and not bother others.

A private business is NOT a "public" area. It is private property and you are there by invitation and the good graces of the property owner.

Oh, and there is NO evidence that ETS, or even PTS causes asthma. In fact, as the rate of smoking and exposure to ETS has plummeted to all time lows and is still falling, the rate of asthma and asthma related deaths are at an all time high and rising. There is an inverse correlation between the rate of asthma and ETS/PTS... this alone blows any theory that tobacco smoke is the cause of asthma out of the water. Sure, it may give people attacks who have pre-existing asthma... but then, so can perfume.

Asthma is an auto-immune disorder that can be aggravated by environmental conditions... not a disease caused by environmental conditions. And just with any allergy or autoimmune disorder, it is up to the individual to avoid those things that cause them discomfort. It is not up to the world to conform to their needs.

and Amused attempts to blow smoke in all of ATOT's face.

dude, cigarette smoke is a carcinogen. i don't want to breath in that sh!t.
how would it be right for me to go into a bar just the same and spew carbon minoxide all over? not enough to kill people, but to make them feel ill. it wouldn't be right. you get the idea.

 

[SampSon]

I went to one of my favorite bars here in Buffalo that allows you to smoke inside.
They rule.

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: SampSon
I went to one of my favorite bars here in Buffalo that allows you to smoke inside.
They rule.

that's cool - they have an up to code smoking room. the more smoke inside those the merrier. :beer:

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: eits

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: epsilon
Attn. Smokers.


You have a drug addiction. A drug addiction that gives other people cancer. You have no rights. If you want to work on those tumors do it in a place where it doesn't effect me. That is all.

As has already been pointed out, from where do you derive the right to tell property owners what they can, and cannot do on their property?

You don't like it? Fine, don't go into a business that allows it. I no longer smoke and won't go into a business that reeks of smoke... but I would never dream of telling a business owner he can't smoke, or allow others to smoke on his PRIVATE PROPERTY.

Finally, the idea that occasional, light exposure to tobacco smoke causes cancer is absurd. Even the cherry picked minority of studies that claimed to show harm that were used by the EPA to create their fraudulent report only showed a nearly negligible increase in disease among those exposed to heavy amounts of smoke in enclosed areas on a daily basis all day long. NONE have showed any increase among people exposed on an inconsistent basis to light whiffs of smoke.

The mindless panic over ETS is simply sad... and not led by any true fear of disease, but by a simple dislike for the smell.

helps cause and worsen asthma, helps transfer pneumonia diseases, causes second-hand smoke health differences (whether you like admitting it or not), and makes others smell bad. what gives them the right to impose their habit on others? might as well be a republican...

it's easier just to NOT do it in public areas, unless they can figure out a way to keep smoke contained in your own bubble and not bother others.

A private business is NOT a "public" area. It is private property and you are there by invitation and the good graces of the property owner.

Oh, and there is NO evidence that ETS, or even PTS causes asthma. In fact, as the rate of smoking and exposure to ETS has plummeted to all time lows and is still falling, the rate of asthma and asthma related deaths are at an all time high and rising. There is an inverse correlation between the rate of asthma and ETS/PTS... this alone blows any theory that tobacco smoke is the cause of asthma out of the water. Sure, it may give people attacks who have pre-existing asthma... but then, so can perfume.

Asthma is an auto-immune disorder that can be aggravated by environmental conditions... not a disease caused by environmental conditions. And just with any allergy or autoimmune disorder, it is up to the individual to avoid those things that cause them discomfort. It is not up to the world to conform to their needs.

and Amused attempts to blow smoke in all of ATOT's face.

dude, cigarette smoke is a carcinogen. i don't want to breath in that sh!t.
how would it be right for me to go into a bar just the same and spew carbon minoxide all over? not enough to kill people, but to make them feel ill. it wouldn't be right. you get the idea.

You are exposed to carcinogens all day long. In your foods, in the air, in your car, in your home.

People hear "carcinogens" and jump to ignorant knee-jerk reactions. The fact of the matter is, the dose makes the poison. You stand more of a chance getting cancer from sitting behind a semi truck in traffic every rush hour than you do from occasionally getting a whiff of smoke in a non-smoking section, or going to a bar every weekend.

Finally, again, if you don't like smoke, don't go somewhere that allows it. It's that simple.

BTW, I don't smoke and do not like the smell.

 

[Ilmater]

Originally posted by: Anubis
good, its illegal in MA and in NY

its SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO Great to be able to go to the bar and not reek of ass when you get home
its also funny to watch people freeze their asses off in boston in febuary smoking outside bars and clubs

:thunbsup;

 

[SampSon]

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: SampSon
I went to one of my favorite bars here in Buffalo that allows you to smoke inside.
They rule.

that's cool - they have an up to code smoking room. the more smoke inside those the merrier. :beer:

No, there is no smoking room, you can just smoke anywhere. Everyone loves it.

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: eits

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: epsilon
Attn. Smokers.


You have a drug addiction. A drug addiction that gives other people cancer. You have no rights. If you want to work on those tumors do it in a place where it doesn't effect me. That is all.

As has already been pointed out, from where do you derive the right to tell property owners what they can, and cannot do on their property?

You don't like it? Fine, don't go into a business that allows it. I no longer smoke and won't go into a business that reeks of smoke... but I would never dream of telling a business owner he can't smoke, or allow others to smoke on his PRIVATE PROPERTY.

Finally, the idea that occasional, light exposure to tobacco smoke causes cancer is absurd. Even the cherry picked minority of studies that claimed to show harm that were used by the EPA to create their fraudulent report only showed a nearly negligible increase in disease among those exposed to heavy amounts of smoke in enclosed areas on a daily basis all day long. NONE have showed any increase among people exposed on an inconsistent basis to light whiffs of smoke.

The mindless panic over ETS is simply sad... and not led by any true fear of disease, but by a simple dislike for the smell.

helps cause and worsen asthma, helps transfer pneumonia diseases, causes second-hand smoke health differences (whether you like admitting it or not), and makes others smell bad. what gives them the right to impose their habit on others? might as well be a republican...

it's easier just to NOT do it in public areas, unless they can figure out a way to keep smoke contained in your own bubble and not bother others.

A private business is NOT a "public" area. It is private property and you are there by invitation and the good graces of the property owner.

Oh, and there is NO evidence that ETS, or even PTS causes asthma. In fact, as the rate of smoking and exposure to ETS has plummeted to all time lows and is still falling, the rate of asthma and asthma related deaths are at an all time high and rising. There is an inverse correlation between the rate of asthma and ETS/PTS... this alone blows any theory that tobacco smoke is the cause of asthma out of the water. Sure, it may give people attacks who have pre-existing asthma... but then, so can perfume.

Asthma is an auto-immune disorder that can be aggravated by environmental conditions... not a disease caused by environmental conditions. And just with any allergy or autoimmune disorder, it is up to the individual to avoid those things that cause them discomfort. It is not up to the world to conform to their needs.

and Amused attempts to blow smoke in all of ATOT's face.

dude, cigarette smoke is a carcinogen. i don't want to breath in that sh!t.
how would it be right for me to go into a bar just the same and spew carbon minoxide all over? not enough to kill people, but to make them feel ill. it wouldn't be right. you get the idea.

You are exposed to carcinogens all day long. In your foods, in the air, in your car, in your home.

People hear "carcinogens" and jump to ignorant knee-jerk reactions. The fact of the matter is, the dose makes the poison. You stand more of a chance getting cancer from sitting behind a semi truck in traffic every rush hour than you do from occasionally getting a whiff of smoke in a non-smoking section, or going to a bar every weekend.

Finally, again, if you don't like smoke, don't go somewhere that allows it. It's that simple.

BTW, I don't smoke and do not like the smell.

we are exposed to carcinogens all day long? i'd like to avoid the ones that i can like other people's cigarette smoke.

i would like to see statistics on cancer rates due to sitting behind a semi truck in rush hour traffic in a car with the windows rolled up, which living in the country i never do, as compared to breathing in unfiltered smoke from cigarettes.

it's not just a "whiff" of smoke you get in a bar Amused. come on, get real. it's a constant thing. there are a lot of chain smokers out there, and not just one person per bar is puffing away.

i love how you try to justify it by saying, "if you don't like smoke, don't go somewhere that allows it." NO. i have the right to go to a public place, and yes it 's open to the public, and not have to breath in smoke.

you aren't a smoker, but i have friends who are. funny, they've accepted the fact that they have to go outside to light up pretty easily.

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: SampSon

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: SampSon
I went to one of my favorite bars here in Buffalo that allows you to smoke inside.
They rule.

that's cool - they have an up to code smoking room. the more smoke inside those the merrier. :beer:

No, there is no smoking room, you can just smoke anywhere. Everyone loves it.

awesome. good for them. drugs in the back too? hookers upstairs?

fun times