COD BlackOps November 8th 60 bucks.

[sandorski]

mine only cost 38$
what do i win?

$22 Winner!!!

 

[JoshGuru7]

I'm not whining idiot. Maybe your mommy buys you all the games that you want, but I work for a living. Why would I WASTE $10 extra dollars that I could use or another game or two. Or even save it for something else. Wasting money is retarded. Your not getting a better game for the extra money. It is the same exact game as if it would of been if it was $50.

You are not making a persuasive argument here. The game is priced at $60 because Activision estimates that aggregate demand will support that price point. They are the ones with money riding on the outcome, and as such they probably aren't wrong.

Console games cost $60 cause of the $10 licencing fee from Sony and Microsoft. If there wasn't one, console games would also cost $50. Activision is just jacking an extra $10 out of everyone for free retard.

The value of any item is what somebody else will pay for it, not how much it cost to make. I can spend a month and $60,000 making a sculpture that will be worth $0 if nobody wants to buy it. Conversely, Michael Jordan can produce autographs for $0 that he can sell for much more because the price depends on demand.

Notice how MW2 is still $60, and BC2 is $20?

If MW2 has a higher cost than BC2 then you can bet that the demand for MW2 is higher. It simply doesn't matter what you (or I) thought was the better game.

It's greed, BC2 is way better then MW2.

Differences between the supply cost and the demand are surpluses that can either accrue to the consumer or the producer of a good. Activision wants as much of that surplus as possible as a producer in the same way that you want as much of that surplus as possible as a consumer. Which of you is more greedy, and why is Activison's greed worse than your greed?

 

[Childs]

Out of curiosity, is the lag really really bad for anyone who played last night/this morning? I'm watching the midnight launch guys play on justin.tv and it is laggy beyond belief. I dont get to download till 7AM, but it looks like its gonna suck until they fix some things.

 

[HybridSquirrel]

50 bucks at the egg with free shipping

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[pontifex]

WTF are you talking about? Bethesda doesn't have any $60 pc games.

I'm not whining idiot. Maybe your mommy buys you all the games that you want, but I work for a living. Why would I WASTE $10 extra dollars that I could use or another game or two. Or even save it for something else.

Wasting money is retarded. Your not getting a better game for the extra money. It is the same exact game as if it would of been if it was $50.

Console games cost $60 cause of the $10 licencing fee from Sony and Microsoft. If there wasn't one, console games would also cost $50. Activision is just jacking an extra $10 out of everyone for free retard.

Notice how MW2 is still $60, and BC2 is $20? It's greed, BC2 is way better then MW2.

ooh, i missed that part somehow! wow, now i know you're full of shit when you are using your opinion as fact. I hate BC2 and love MW2, so what now?

 

[fustercluck]

Well, the commercial for this game is cool . But what's to say it's not going to be abandoned by players and activision 2 years from now? Games like this seem to be a dime a dozen. What sets this apart from other FPSs? Do people just want to play the newest thing?

Games like this just don't seem to hold people's interest for too long. Seems like whatever the newest Call of Duty/Medal of Honor/Battlefield is people get in like to pay $60+ for them and play them for a few months then forget about em. There's seemingly no lasting appeal to these games. I could be wrong of course, but that's how things appear.

 

[vrait]

Differences between the supply cost and the demand are surpluses that can either accrue to the consumer or the producer of a good. Activision wants as much of that surplus as possible as a producer in the same way that you want as much of that surplus as possible as a consumer. Which of you is more greedy, and why is Activison's greed worse than your greed?

Hmm, maybe I don't try to screw people over with my greed. If I was in Kotick's position this crap would have never happened. $15 for map packs that use to be free? $60 instead of $50? No dedicated servers? No mods? A year after launch still $60, when most games are half price by then?

Sub-par games are premium prices is not a good thing. Other companies know how to treat this customers. Activision doesn't.

ooh, i missed that part somehow! wow, now i know you're full of shit when you are using your opinion as fact. I hate BC2 and love MW2, so what now?

Tell me how is MW2 better then BC2? Hell tell me how it's better then COD4.

 

[JoshGuru7]

Hmm, maybe I don't try to screw people over with my greed.

I don't think you followed my point, so I'll try again a bit more explicitly.

Each person is willing to pay a different amount (demand) and will only purchase the game if they are willing to pay what Activision is charging. The difference between what they could charge a specific person and what they do charge is consumer surplus. If pontifex would have been willing to pay $90, then he gets $30 of consumer surplus at a $60 price point.

Activision on the other hand will only produce the product if they can sell it for more than it cost to make. The difference between what it costs to produce a product and what they do charge is producer surplus. If their development costs were approximately $30 per unit, then they get $30 of producer surplus at a $60 price point.

What is a "fair" amount of producer surplus, and what is a "fair" amount of consumer surplus? Every producer wants to sell their product for as much as possible, and get all of the producer surplus. On the other hand, every consumer wants to buy the product for as little as possible and get all of the consumer surplus. If PC games are "supposed" to be $50, then do you screw companies over by buying games on sale?

The fact that a price is higher for a product but the cost to produce it is not higher usually means that demand is a lot higher (willingness to pay). If higher demand leads to $20 additional surplus for MW: BO, how do you decide who should get that $20? Arguing that the consumer should get the entire extra surplus seems just as greedy to me as a producer trying to capture it is.

The reality is that you aren't screwing anybody over as a consumer trying to fight for your consumer surplus, but neither is the producer. Transactions are voluntary and only happen when both parties feel they are better off by making a trade.

 

[paperfist]

Well, the commercial for this game is cool . But what's to say it's not going to be abandoned by players and activision 2 years from now? Games like this seem to be a dime a dozen. What sets this apart from other FPSs? Do people just want to play the newest thing?

Games like this just don't seem to hold people's interest for too long. Seems like whatever the newest Call of Duty/Medal of Honor/Battlefield is people get in like to pay $60+ for them and play them for a few months then forget about em. There's seemingly no lasting appeal to these games. I could be wrong of course, but that's how things appear.

That's why Activision is on something like a 6 month plan for churning out new titles. It won't be fully abandoned in 2 years, ie people will be playing it, but the majority will move on to the next latest title.

Since people do get bored of games after a while Activision really nailed it by not allowing you to mod the game an instead just putting out a new version every 6. Bordem is basically eminent and people are willing to pay up for a new fix.

 

[Jschmuck2]

I'm no Activision crusader but from what I understand, there will be mod tools for this game.

 

[xCxStylex]

Unless you are Activision, you can not say that you are getting the "exact game as if it ould *have* been $50." Studios are not given free reign to make games and release them as they please, there are budgets and deadlines set. It may be possible, however unlikely I will agree, that with the revenue from projected sales at a particular price ($60) allowed them to develop the game further than if it had been $50.

In regards to MW2 and BC2, if you notice, the prices of most games, both console and PC plummet like rocks after release. Arguing which game is better is purely an opinion. I agree that BC2 is a better game, but what you call "greed" is merely a negative term for profit motivated. Profit is what makes the business in "free markets" like the USA go around. You don't like profit and making money? Do you work in a commune? Bullshit.


Also... if you were that ass fuck Bobby Kotick, you'd definitely be doing it yourself. You'd be milky everrryyyyyyone for the last penny that you could.

If I was in Kotick's position this crap would have never happened.

I'm not whining idiot. Maybe your mommy buys you all the games that you want, but I work for a living. Why would I WASTE $10 extra dollars that I could use or another game or two. Or even save it for something else.

Wasting money is retarded. Your not getting a better game for the extra money. It is the same exact game as if it would of been if it was $50.

Console games cost $60 cause of the $10 licencing fee from Sony and Microsoft. If there wasn't one, console games would also cost $50. Activision is just jacking an extra $10 out of everyone for free retard.

Notice how MW2 is still $60, and BC2 is $20? It's greed, BC2 is way better then MW2.

 

[JoshGuru7]

Since people do get bored of games after a while Activision really nailed it by not allowing you to mod the game an instead just putting out a new version every 6. Bordem is basically eminent and people are willing to pay up for a new fix.

Add to this that PC gaming is a relatively cheap form of entertainment. A multiplayer game that entertains you for 6 months is a great bang for your buck even if the price is $100, especially when you consider the cost of other forms of entertainment.

In general I think that the top 10% of PC games are significantly underpriced and the remaining 90% are significantly overpriced based solely on the value that consumers get out of them. That's not to say that the companies are pricing them wrong, but rather that the public perception that price should be consistent regardless of quality serves them well on the poor titles and poorly on the good titles.

What I find interesting about consistent pricing on media is how unique it is and yet consumers expect it. You wouldn't expect to pay the same amount for a meal at McDs, Red Robin, or the Chicago Chophouse. Yet most blu-rays come out at similar price points no matter what the reviews were.

 

[duragezic]

LOL this freaking piece of junk game. Bought it today and it's broke. Specs:

Opteron 165 1.8ghz o/c to 2.7ghz
2GB ram
Ati 4870 512mb
XP 32-bit

Installed it and fired up the singleplayer. Crashed about 10 minutes in. Upgraded from Catalyst 10.9 to 10.0 and tried again except then it crashed even earlier. Then I tried some suggestions from the forums and it crashed before you can even shoot.

Last thing was dropping my CPU to stock. It played fine through the first mission but then crashed during the cutscene. At this point there's nothing I can really do. But I've read lots of problems like this so I'm hopeful it gets fixed.

The time I did play, well it was pretty sweet. It didn't feel as nice as MW2 though, but I might be used to IW games more. And the framerate may have affected it. Even at 2.7ghz, 1680x1050 was a bit choppy.

Anyone else playing it or having issues? I figure not to bother with multi if I'm crashing constantly in single.

 

[marmasatt]

Not a single problem with frames in SP here. Trying MP in a bit. As I put in another post, I'd say it's pretty much on point with MW2. If you enjoyed it - you will definitely enjoy this. It's like the same game, just a different environment. I too encountered problems, but just in the form of bugs. Had one of the guys I was supposed to follow get stuck on a wall. Literally had to restart the whole mission. Also couldn't shoot out of windows for whatever reason at a part. But overall I am quite pleased.

6 gig memory
i7 920 @ 3.6 ghz
ATI 5850 @ stock
1900 x 1200, everything pretty much maxed

 

[minmaster]

SP slows down bigtime if you go into settings to change something and try to resume the game... i think it's okay as long as you don't go to menu.

 

[pontifex]

Hmm, maybe I don't try to screw people over with my greed. If I was in Kotick's position this crap would have never happened. $15 for map packs that use to be free? $60 instead of $50? No dedicated servers? No mods? A year after launch still $60, when most games are half price by then?

Sub-par games are premium prices is not a good thing. Other companies know how to treat this customers. Activision doesn't.



Tell me how is MW2 better then BC2? Hell tell me how it's better then COD4.

because i have more fun in mw2 than bc2? it's subjective...people like different things, thats why we usually have a choice.

it's like saying red is the best color or vanilla is the best ice cream flavor.

i don't want to call you stupid but if it looks like a duck, sounds like a duck, and walks like a duck...it's probably a duck.

 

[Chaotic42]

Here are some settings that seem to help:

d:\games\steam\common\call of duty black ops\players\config_mp.cfg
seta r_multiGpu "1"
seta r_multithreaded_device "1"
seta com_maxfps "125"
seta cl_maxpackets "80"
seta sys_sysMB "4096"

Obviously you'll need to tailor it for your system.

 

[minmaster]

how da f do you bring up the console?

 

[Chaotic42]

Yeah, it runs like complete ass on my computer. MW2 ran like glass, but I've had to actually lower my resolution and it's still choppy as shit.

I also don't like the dedicated servers. I liked the MW2 matchmaking system. The lack of integration with Steam is terrible, and anything dealing with friends is weird. This one needed another month or two in QC.

 

[Chaotic42]

Wow, this game is worse in most every way than MW2.

 

[erikistired]

Yeah, it runs like complete ass on my computer. MW2 ran like glass, but I've had to actually lower my resolution and it's still choppy as shit.

I also don't like the dedicated servers. I liked the MW2 matchmaking system. The lack of integration with Steam is terrible, and anything dealing with friends is weird. This one needed another month or two in QC.

the mw2 matchmaking system is/was absolutely horrible and should never be used in a game ever. it's a haven for cheating. if you want that sort of garbage buy an xbox. pc gamers should and for the most part do expect more.

 

[Regs]

MP has back-end server problems.

 

[Sureshot324]

WTF are you talking about? Bethesda doesn't have any $60 pc games.

I'm not whining idiot. Maybe your mommy buys you all the games that you want, but I work for a living. Why would I WASTE $10 extra dollars that I could use or another game or two. Or even save it for something else.

Wasting money is retarded. Your not getting a better game for the extra money. It is the same exact game as if it would of been if it was $50.

Console games cost $60 cause of the $10 licencing fee from Sony and Microsoft. If there wasn't one, console games would also cost $50. Activision is just jacking an extra $10 out of everyone for free retard.

Notice how MW2 is still $60, and BC2 is $20? It's greed, BC2 is way better then MW2.

Inflation happens. Get over it. You think they're pricing BC2 that low just to be nice? No, it's because of greed. They think they can make more money selling it at $20.

I think BC2 is a great game, but more people like COD because it's easier to get into and you spend less time walking to the action. It's still selling at $60 a year after release so they won't drop the price. That's not how capitalism works.

 

[pontifex]

Apparently the US Government has time traveling capabilities in 1961/63 (whatever year it is that you first go to the Pentagon). On the Wall of Heroes there is a picture of Eric L. Haney from Delta Force.

He was born in 1952 so he would be 11 years old at most when this game takes place, but yet they have a photo of him as an adult.

 

[pontifex]

Here are some settings that seem to help:

d:\games\steam\common\call of duty black ops\players\config_mp.cfg
seta r_multiGpu "1"
seta r_multithreaded_device "1"
seta com_maxfps "125"
seta cl_maxpackets "80"
seta sys_sysMB "4096"

Obviously you'll need to tailor it for your system.

doesn't help me at all