Co-worker never tips and refuses to

[hanoverphist]

Originally posted by: Nitemare

Originally posted by: Pale Rider

Originally posted by: Nitemare

Originally posted by: Pale Rider
Maybe he feels he should pay the amount listed on the menu for the items ordered and not some magical extra amount that isn't listed anywhere.

Tipping USED to be incentive for the waiter/waitress to do a good job - now days everyone has been programmed to tip automatically regardless of what service they get. Result? Service has gone down and people who don't tip are labeled "ass hats".

Pay more for the food then and have it already included in. Most restaurants pay the waiters and waitresses below minimum wage because they figure in tips...

It's a con. The restaurant gets to pay the waiter/waitress below minimum wage with the assumption that the consumer will automatically tip.

If they paid them more then they would have to raise the prices of the food to compensate...

So you would be paying it anyways, without any incentive for them to do a good job. I have tipped anywhere from 5-30%

their incentive is keeping their damn job. bad service people still get tips (albeit lower) but they also get fired quicker, and less shifts if they dont get fired. crappy people doing crappy work is still bad for business.

 

[imported_yovonbishop]

Well, I've waitressed and I must say, the people that don't tip when they get good service are pretty much jerks. I worked my ass off for tips (i.e., meeting people's special demands and getting food there in a timely manner, etc). I've always got on a smile and never get any complaints. Yet, it seems that some people just don't tip. I mean, I guess it's their prerogative, but what they don't realize is that what waitresses do is hard work (if they do the job right) and that they rely on that money!

As for the laws about minimum wage, yes, waitresses get paid a lower minimum wage, but if it is not met with tips employers are SUPPOSED to make up the difference. As far as I'm concerned, making minimum wage working at a job as physically demanding as waitressing isn't enough and so people should tip at least a little bit anyway to show some sort of gratitude.

 

[Nitemare]

Originally posted by: hanoverphist

Originally posted by: Nitemare

Originally posted by: Pale Rider

Originally posted by: Nitemare

Originally posted by: Pale Rider
Maybe he feels he should pay the amount listed on the menu for the items ordered and not some magical extra amount that isn't listed anywhere.

Tipping USED to be incentive for the waiter/waitress to do a good job - now days everyone has been programmed to tip automatically regardless of what service they get. Result? Service has gone down and people who don't tip are labeled "ass hats".

Pay more for the food then and have it already included in. Most restaurants pay the waiters and waitresses below minimum wage because they figure in tips...

It's a con. The restaurant gets to pay the waiter/waitress below minimum wage with the assumption that the consumer will automatically tip.

If they paid them more then they would have to raise the prices of the food to compensate...

So you would be paying it anyways, without any incentive for them to do a good job. I have tipped anywhere from 5-30%

their incentive is keeping their damn job. bad service people still get tips (albeit lower) but they also get fired quicker, and less shifts if they dont get fired. crappy people doing crappy work is still bad for business.

like everyone that works in fast food...no thanks

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: BigJ
Mr. Pink?

:laugh::thumbsup:

 

[oogabooga]

Originally posted by: kranky

Originally posted by: Cerpin Taxt
I usually find a few good places that I like to eat, and when I decide I'm going to patronize that establishment regularly, I become a pretty big tipper. Invariably, it gets noticed by the service staff, and I get superb treatment because of it.

I had a sushi place I used to go to when I lived in California. Excellent sushi, really. My roommate and I always made sure to take good care of the service people. It wasn't long before all the chefs knew us by name, they would loudly shout their greetings to us from behind the bar whenever we entered the place, and they would always, ALWAYS comp us some free sushi plates of stuff that was never even on the menu. They would simply hand us a plate of some delicious and original sushi and say "we made this special, for you."

Y'know how cool it is to take a new girl on a date to a place where they automatically treat you (and her, because she is with you) like royalty from the moment you enter? And not just like they're kiss your ass because you are a customer, but really obviously they treat you differently -- head and shoulders above the rest of the customers. To me, that's worth every extra dollar I spent in tipping the hell out of them.

You can get the same treatment for less. Just go to the maitre'd the day before the big date, give him $50 and explain you want royal treatment tomorrow when you come back with your date, and you will make sure everyone is taken care of. That way you get the first-class treatment and you don't even have to be a regular.

which sushi place has a maitre'd?

I know what you're saying though. A buddy of mine went to a nice steak house for the first time and got excellent treatment. They took care to give him a really nice seat, they were even somehow playing music from some band who they were going to watch in concert later that evening. He later found out it's cause his girl went the day before, tipped the host and emphasized how special she wanted the night to be, and he delivered when they came the next day.

I like Cerpin Taxt approach since well, it's nice just to show up and be treated really well without any specific advanced preparation. I'm lucky to have that relationship with a few places (including the starbucks next to my work). The staff knows who I am and might do anything from something small like handing me my drink at Starbucks instead of calling out my name to giving me free food. Plus if I'm ever in doubt about what to do for a food, I can just go to one of my regular places.

 

[miri]

Your in California so at least the servers there make $8/hour, but in many states servers still make $2.13/hour so they rely on tips to make money.

Also your coworker should realize that servers usually tip out a good percentage of their sales to support staff, ie., bussers, hostesses, bartenders, foodrunners, etc.

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: Pale Rider
Maybe he feels he should pay the amount listed on the menu for the items ordered and not some magical extra amount that isn't listed anywhere.

Tipping USED to be incentive for the waiter/waitress to do a good job - now days everyone has been programmed to tip automatically regardless of what service they get. Result? Service has gone down and people who don't tip are labeled "ass hats".

Tipping was never an incentive. Tipping was something done for the service...recently tons of rules were added mostly due to people being cheap and trying to justify why not to tip.

One should tip whenever they are served, whether it be food, valet, hair, etc...UNLESS that establishment prohibits it.

A tip is for the service. A good tip for GOOD service. People that can't afford to throw 15% at the guy in applebee's busting his ass serving 4x the tables he should be, should eat at home.

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: Pale Rider

Originally posted by: Nitemare

Originally posted by: Pale Rider
Maybe he feels he should pay the amount listed on the menu for the items ordered and not some magical extra amount that isn't listed anywhere.

Tipping USED to be incentive for the waiter/waitress to do a good job - now days everyone has been programmed to tip automatically regardless of what service they get. Result? Service has gone down and people who don't tip are labeled "ass hats".

Pay more for the food then and have it already included in. Most restaurants pay the waiters and waitresses below minimum wage because they figure in tips...

It's a con. The restaurant gets to pay the waiter/waitress below minimum wage with the assumption that the consumer will automatically tip.

Without the tips the restaurant would have to adjust that pay.

This is mostly an america battle and the reason our food prices are much less than other places (you can't count currency adjustments as a traveler).

 

[lokiju]

Was he born and raised in America?

 

[HannibalX]

Originally posted by: alkemyst

Originally posted by: Pale Rider
Maybe he feels he should pay the amount listed on the menu for the items ordered and not some magical extra amount that isn't listed anywhere.

Tipping USED to be incentive for the waiter/waitress to do a good job - now days everyone has been programmed to tip automatically regardless of what service they get. Result? Service has gone down and people who don't tip are labeled "ass hats".

Tipping was never an incentive. Tipping was something done for the service...recently tons of rules were added mostly due to people being cheap and trying to justify why not to tip.

One should tip whenever they are served, whether it be food, valet, hair, etc...UNLESS that establishment prohibits it.

A tip is for the service. A good tip for GOOD service. People that can't afford to throw 15% at the guy in applebee's busting his ass serving 4x the tables he should be, should eat at home.

This is a complete bullshit argument. You are ALREADY PAYING FOR THE SERVICE - WHATEVER THAT MAY BE. You can call my paying for the service a "TIP" if you want to, I could care less. You aren't getting anything extra than what is listed up front as the cost of the service.

 

[Deeko]

Originally posted by: yovonbishop
Well, I've waitressed and I must say, the people that don't tip when they get good service are pretty much jerks. I worked my ass off for tips (i.e., meeting people's special demands and getting food there in a timely manner, etc). I've always got on a smile and never get any complaints. Yet, it seems that some people just don't tip. I mean, I guess it's their prerogative, but what they don't realize is that what waitresses do is hard work (if they do the job right) and that they rely on that money!

As for the laws about minimum wage, yes, waitresses get paid a lower minimum wage, but if it is not met with tips employers are SUPPOSED to make up the difference. As far as I'm concerned, making minimum wage working at a job as physically demanding as waitressing isn't enough and so people should tip at least a little bit anyway to show some sort of gratitude.

....that's your job.

I tip, generally 20% or more unless the service was bad, but I hate the practice. I think it's absurd that you are assumed to tip - and I think it's even more absurd that restaurants factor tips into wages. You shouldn't be complaining about the sub-par tipping customers, you should be complaining about the sub-par paying restaurant.

 

[Fern]

Originally posted by: miri
Your in California so at least the servers there make $8/hour, but in many states servers still make $2.13/hour so they rely on tips to make money.

Also your coworker should realize that servers usually tip out a good percentage of their sales to support staff, ie., bussers, hostesses, bartenders, foodrunners, etc.

Just to make more clear:

A state can make a rule that waitstaff expected to be tipped must be paid a minimum of $2.13 per hr (ogf course that is before tips).

But, whatever, the federal gov says basic combined wage + tips must be at least $5.85 per hr (just like all other type employees). So, if the employee is paid a wage of $2.13 per hr, the tips better be enough to bring it up to $5.85.

(my accounting office does payroll for several restaurants)

Dept of Labor site

Fern

 

[Excelsior]

Originally posted by: Pale Rider

Originally posted by: Nitemare

Originally posted by: Pale Rider
Maybe he feels he should pay the amount listed on the menu for the items ordered and not some magical extra amount that isn't listed anywhere.

Tipping USED to be incentive for the waiter/waitress to do a good job - now days everyone has been programmed to tip automatically regardless of what service they get. Result? Service has gone down and people who don't tip are labeled "ass hats".

Pay more for the food then and have it already included in. Most restaurants pay the waiters and waitresses below minimum wage because they figure in tips...

It's a con. The restaurant gets to pay the waiter/waitress below minimum wage with the assumption that the consumer will automatically tip.

You just pointed out that a lot of folks are programmed to automatically tip... so its not much of an assumption made by the restaurant.

 

[miri]

Originally posted by: alkemyst
Without the tips the restaurant would have to adjust that pay.

This is mostly an america battle and the reason our food prices are much less than other places (you can't count currency adjustments as a traveler).

Not necessarily

In California servers get payed $8/hour from their restaurants

The food price is the same as states where they pay their servers $2.13 a hour

Don't believe me? Check out some of the national chains and compare their prices in states where they pay their servers $8/hour and states where they pay their servers $2.13/hour

 

[RossMAN]

No one mentioned Nik and his infamous tipping thread?

AT has failed me.

 

[BigJ]

Originally posted by: miri

Originally posted by: alkemyst
Without the tips the restaurant would have to adjust that pay.

This is mostly an america battle and the reason our food prices are much less than other places (you can't count currency adjustments as a traveler).

Not really

In California servers get payed $8/hour from their restaurants

The food price is the same as states where they pay their servers $2.13 a hour

Don't believe me? Check out some of the national chains and compare their prices in states where they pay their servers $8/hour and states where they pay their servers $2.13/hour

You don't think that it's already factored into the overall prices across the nation?

With large chains, the price would go up minimally. With the smaller restaurants, it'd be a completely different ballgame.

 

[Scarpozzi]

Originally posted by: miri

Originally posted by: alkemyst
Without the tips the restaurant would have to adjust that pay.

This is mostly an america battle and the reason our food prices are much less than other places (you can't count currency adjustments as a traveler).

Not necessarily

In California servers get payed $8/hour from their restaurants

The food price is the same as states where they pay their servers $2.13 a hour

Don't believe me? Check out some of the national chains and compare their prices in states where they pay their servers $8/hour and states where they pay their servers $2.13/hour

$2.13/hour is the standard rate for a service job. It was the same rate back in the 1990s too....minimum wage doesn't affect that in most places...

 

[miri]

Originally posted by: BigJ

Originally posted by: miri

Originally posted by: alkemyst
Without the tips the restaurant would have to adjust that pay.

This is mostly an america battle and the reason our food prices are much less than other places (you can't count currency adjustments as a traveler).

Not really

In California servers get payed $8/hour from their restaurants

The food price is the same as states where they pay their servers $2.13 a hour

Don't believe me? Check out some of the national chains and compare their prices in states where they pay their servers $8/hour and states where they pay their servers $2.13/hour

You don't think that it's already factored into the overall prices across the nation?

With large chains, the price would go up minimally. With the smaller restaurants, it'd be a completely different ballgame.

i dont notice restaurant food prices, chain or small resturant, any more expensive here then when i was living in Virginia

Rent on the other hand is a different story

 

[OutHouse]

Originally posted by: Pale Rider
Maybe he feels he should pay the amount listed on the menu for the items ordered and not some magical extra amount that isn't listed anywhere.

Tipping USED to be incentive for the waiter/waitress to do a good job - now days everyone has been programmed to tip automatically regardless of what service they get. Result? Service has gone down and people who don't tip are labeled "ass hats".

some of that is true but the part you missed is food joints not paying the waitstaff but only 2 bucks a hour and the rest is expected to made up from tips.

you boss is a jerk, throwing down two bucks after he pigged out isnt too much to ask.

 

[Nitemare]

Originally posted by: BigJ

Originally posted by: miri

Originally posted by: alkemyst
Without the tips the restaurant would have to adjust that pay.

This is mostly an america battle and the reason our food prices are much less than other places (you can't count currency adjustments as a traveler).

Not really

In California servers get payed $8/hour from their restaurants

The food price is the same as states where they pay their servers $2.13 a hour

Don't believe me? Check out some of the national chains and compare their prices in states where they pay their servers $8/hour and states where they pay their servers $2.13/hour

You don't think that it's already factored into the overall prices across the nation?

With large chains, the price would go up minimally. With the smaller restaurants, it'd be a completely different ballgame.

It's called a profit margin, owners are not going to slim that simply because some people are too cheap to tip

 

[sutahz]

Maybe off topic, but I disagree w/ over 10%. As prices go up (and they do) the 10% tip "grows" w/ it. Server/hostest friends of friends brag about how much they make on tips in a night.

As far as I'm concerned, making minimum wage working at a job as physically demanding as waitressing isn't enough

Get a better job then(to all current wait staff). If you like waiting, then satisifaction from doing your job should be all the reward you need. If your doing it for the money... ... move to CA by the snd of it (now that I know all employee's in CA get $8 min, all the better).

I'm not going to bother finding this quote, but I know its in this thread:

Apparently you've never worked as a waiter

Ya know what? I haven't, damn me. I've either been smart enough or dumb enough not to go after that job. So you want us to feel sorry that you chose to work that job? Do you tip your garbage man for providing you w/ the service of taking away your trash? Do you tip your electric company for providing you w/ electricity every day? Do you send people on Anand who give you good advice money? Sure I wish i got 10%+ of the value of the goods that pass thru my hands, but ya know what? I DONT.

Servers can indeed make $15-20+/hr during PEAK hours and usually on dinner service. However they usually don't pull that over a 40 hour week + lack the benefits.

Change jobs...

See post below. Be a waiter, scam the gov't, due to YOUR generosity. I know, not all waiters do this, but still...

QFT me all you want, i live in CA, and if these no skill workers want 20% off me because "20% is easier to calculate then 15%" then they can suck my di_! for 20% 10% is 10% Inflation happens. OH, you dont like that? SUCK MY DI_ _! F_ _!

ya see this??? ..|..

Jschmuck2

Ohh you no likey??? too bad. Poor ex-mortgage broaker.
If i only gave a shit... if only...
Im a fuckbucket, and you give money to beggers, I don't, NOT ANYMORE IN CA, $8/HR BEGGERS!!
Jschmuck2[/quote]doesn't that say it all? schmuck? bring it on!
I dont plan to nor do I ever

Knowing your attitude you'd find a way to scam the system should you find yourself with waitstaff as your only option for employment.

Yeah scamming aint my way exactly, but as most ppl assume others actions based on their own, you WOULD scam in 'my' situation (which you dont even KNOW). So you need to look into your own heart, before judging me.

Looking back, my friend worked at red lobster, and I went to tgi fridays. My best service as to date was at tgi's. She refilled my driks (what... 1c/oz) before I needed it. And honestly, as a waitress what can you do, you can only serve food when its done. If you serve it after its done you can ONLY decreese your tip. Anyways w/ this waitress I gave her a 15 or 20% tip because she refilled my drink early (this is when I drank a lot, more then now). It is based on service. This thread only fueled my fire. If the wait staff does not IMPRESS me then its a no go. YOU HAVE A JOB, DO IT. If you do not do your job, expect a 2% tip, to say "do your job exceptionally or else, F U U WHORE". I do my job, i get no extra's.. should I sw companies, definatly. If you want more money should you sw companies, DEFINATLY!

Im drunk right now, QFT me all you want,, you who__s! As I live in CA, and these no skilled workers in CA get $8/hr, if I go to a nat'l chain, i'll leave no tip, UNLESS they actually do a good job. Do a good job, get 10%, do a BAD job, get 1% (as 1% is much more insulting then 0%). For the last year or 2 i've battled w/ the tip, and how i disagree w/ it, but this thread, god bless it, has shown me the way. Where do I live, just a little bit of investigation shows it.

Actually I WAS brainwashed to tip 15-20%, but thanks to this thead, and ppl like you Jschmuck2 I've been cured! THANK THE LORD! Now I'll only tip over 10% at places I've never visited before. I'll tip my bartender, i'll tip my sushi chef, but everyone else, F EM. THank you, from the bottom of my heart.

HELLO, im the wait staff, can i take your order? i'll write it down or remember it in my head, either way its not that complicated, can you please tip me beacause im really just a bum and if you could give me extra money for doing my job i'd really appriecate it i'd really be greatful.

Oh the youge and impressionable gave a impression upon me? WeLL I GUES THEY SCREWED THEMSELVES HUH? SUCKS TO BE THEM!! HAHA
TallBilldamn sucks to be you, what did you learn from the situation??? Damn thats a tought question..?

If you can't tell, from this time on, tips WILL be based on service., AS THEY SHOULD BE. 10% for acceptable servie, the difference based upon which. take heed wait staff , take heed. Oh your in CA and you dont give a F? POINTT TAKEN! Oh you give a F? Only cause of this thread, whore.

Originally posted by: xeemzor
I always make sure to pay my tip in pennies.

YES, me too now, if you cant tell. YOU BRAG ABOUT THE MONIES YOU'VE MADE AS A MINIMAL SKILLED WAGER, HELLZ YEAHl, keep bragg'n. Cheers, bitch, steph.

 

[Alistar7]

Originally posted by: Jhill
Damn, a tipping and race thread in one. Someone bring religion into it and I'll invest heavily into this thread.

I waited tables when I was younger. While I will not disclose which race(s)/religion(s), it was common practice for certain ones to not tip at all. You knew that as soon as you walked up to the table for the first time and there was nothing you could do about it except bust your ass and hope they were the very rare exception. I suppose you could just give them shitty service but I wasn't going to lower my standards just because they had none.

In the late 80's, early 90's I routinely cleared $15-20 an hour in tips alone, on top of that fantastice $2.13 an hour. We were required to declare at least 10% of our sales for taxes, which were taken out of your paycheck. A normal 40 hour week paycheck after taxes was usually < $40, but in reality a good waiter made out like a bandit with most of their income going unreported. A great scam for college students, guaranteed acceptance for most federal grants while still making great bank.

 

[BigJ]

Originally posted by: Nitemare

Originally posted by: BigJ

Originally posted by: miri

Originally posted by: alkemyst
Without the tips the restaurant would have to adjust that pay.

This is mostly an america battle and the reason our food prices are much less than other places (you can't count currency adjustments as a traveler).

Not really

In California servers get payed $8/hour from their restaurants

The food price is the same as states where they pay their servers $2.13 a hour

Don't believe me? Check out some of the national chains and compare their prices in states where they pay their servers $8/hour and states where they pay their servers $2.13/hour

You don't think that it's already factored into the overall prices across the nation?

With large chains, the price would go up minimally. With the smaller restaurants, it'd be a completely different ballgame.

It's called a profit margin, owners are not going to slim that simply because some people are too cheap to tip

What's your point? A national restaurant has a large number of restaurants that across the nation would have adjusted prices. This would offset the reduced profits in those areas by having increased profits in other areas. The overall profit remains the same or improved without alienating customers in the areas with increased operating costs.

This is a simple example, but it'll help illustrate my point. Say NY went to minimum wage + tips. Fine, raise prices across the nation by $0.50 per dish and not $4 per dish in just NY. Decreased profits in NY, but massively increased profits overall. And then because it only costs $12.50 for that plate of pasta instead of $16, you don't lose customers.

Mom and pop shops would have no other choice than to either operate at razor thin profit margins with decent increases in prices, or jack up prices tremendously to maintain current profit levels.

 

[BigJ]

Originally posted by: miri

Originally posted by: BigJ

Originally posted by: miri

Originally posted by: alkemyst
Without the tips the restaurant would have to adjust that pay.

This is mostly an america battle and the reason our food prices are much less than other places (you can't count currency adjustments as a traveler).

Not really

In California servers get payed $8/hour from their restaurants

The food price is the same as states where they pay their servers $2.13 a hour

Don't believe me? Check out some of the national chains and compare their prices in states where they pay their servers $8/hour and states where they pay their servers $2.13/hour

You don't think that it's already factored into the overall prices across the nation?

With large chains, the price would go up minimally. With the smaller restaurants, it'd be a completely different ballgame.

i dont notice restaurant food prices, chain or small resturant, any more expensive here then when i was living in Virginia

Rent on the other hand is a different story

There's a number of different factors that could impact that. The simple fact is, if you have increased operating costs and everything else stays the same (quality of ingredients for example), those costs are getting passed onto the customer. Otherwise you're going to be making changes to your business.

 

[episodic]

It seems that some people here think you should tip regardless of the service. I ONLY tip if the service was good.