CNN reporter admits: "I transmitted Hizballah propaganda"

[lozina]

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: lozina
I hoep you guys also realize that Israel's public relations machine is alot more refined than some guerilla group with limited funding and resources... And CNN has no shame in transmitting their propaganda.

That is all good, except Israel allows reporters to wander around, and the reason you are so conviced of Israel's horrors is because it lets the world see what it does.


Funny, you complain about there propoghanda, but it is the freedom of the press they allow that give you your ammunition about why they are so awful.

I wonder what you would think of Hez if there was actual honest reporting from that side.

Israel allows reporters to wander around? You do realize that Israel has some tight censorship dealing with wartime reporting don't you? They cite, with good reason, that reporting on such issues could reveal positions and such to their enemies. But what it amounts to is tight control wether it's justified or not.

Actually I'm not complaining. I am realistic and understand the concept that especially during a crisis as this between two parties, you should always take statements directly from either party with a grain of salt. So when I hear CNN report something that "Israeli officials said" or if I read something on a blog citing some Hezbollah statement, I usually don't immediately accept it as some universal truth as it seems alot of people here do unfortunately...

The big difference I see is Israeli official statements are alot more calculated and subtle while the Hezbollah make some seriously nutjob statements. But that only means it's easy to tell that Hezbollah are just talking out of their ass but it's alot harder to detect the Israeli propaganda.

 

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: lozina

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: lozina
I hoep you guys also realize that Israel's public relations machine is alot more refined than some guerilla group with limited funding and resources... And CNN has no shame in transmitting their propaganda.

That is all good, except Israel allows reporters to wander around, and the reason you are so conviced of Israel's horrors is because it lets the world see what it does.


Funny, you complain about there propoghanda, but it is the freedom of the press they allow that give you your ammunition about why they are so awful.

I wonder what you would think of Hez if there was actual honest reporting from that side.

Israel allows reporters to wander around? You do realize that Israel has some tight censorship dealing with wartime reporting don't you? They cite, with good reason, that reporting on such issues could reveal positions and such to their enemies. But what it amounts to is tight control wether it's justified or not.

Actually I'm not complaining. I am realistic and understand the concept that especially during a crisis as this between two parties, you should always take statements directly from either party with a grain of salt. So when I hear CNN report something that "Israeli officials said" or if I read something on a blog citing some Hezbollah statement, I usually don't immediately accept it as some universal truth as it seems alot of people here do unfortunately...

The big difference I see is Israeli official statements are alot more calculated and subtle while the Hezbollah make some seriously nutjob statements. But that only means it's easy to tell that Hezbollah are just talking out of their ass but it's alot harder to detect the Israeli propaganda.

Fair enough, propoghanda is part of war obviously, I just feel that Israel has more realistic reporting, due to the fact they know they will be ripped apart if they are caught in a lie. Either way, both sides feed us the bs 🙂

 

[Harabec]

Originally posted by: compuwiz1
Well, here is what I don't understand: If 3000 rebels, residing in Lebanon, decide to start launching rockets at their neighbors, wouldn't that be akin to something like all of the cops in New York going rogue, and bombing the next neighboring state? Why is Lebanon harboring this group? It would seem, that they are a huge liability for Lebanon, and their people are going to suffer immensly at the hands of these cretins.

As marv said above (and as you can see from the fighting), Hizballah is far stronger than the Lebanese government.
Unfortunately, after we pulled out a few years ago the UN didn't bother to take any real action against them, they grew much stronger and the elected government basically has no say in the matter.

We did a half-assed job pulling out and now both sides are paying for it.

It will be interesting to see what happens in Lebanon over the next few years.
Since we have no intention of "conquering" Lebanon, after this little war ends we'll be left with a broken country that will need all the help it can get (ours or the arabs', most likely, unless the UN manages to stop cursing us for a second and actually DO something) to avoid falling into the hands of extremists.

 

[Genx87]

Come on these guys have to be smarter than this dont they?

You go on a press guided tour, do they think the tour run by hezbollah would be a fair representation of the facts?

This looks like something a kid out of school could buy into, not some vet field reporter from CNN.

But I think this also paints a larger picture of the world of 24/7 news. It seems the motto has changed from vet your sources and verify claims to point and shoot, if it is wrong we can figure it out later.

This plays perfectly into the hands of people like Hezbollah that know, all they need to do is get the initial bogus story out and nobody will remember the follow up disclaimer if they are caught.

 

[EagleKeeper]

The reporter also knew what he was doing up front. Deliberate bias

 

[rchiu]

Heh, I guess the 400+ civilian death, 1000+ injured and 700,000+ displaced is Hezbollah progaganda? So what if a few camera shots of distroyed building is propaganda, the fact that 700,000 ppl have to leave their home, job and life don't need any more propaganda to show how much damage Israelis has done.

 

[Aisengard]

Heh, and as usual the terrorist supporters completely ignore the Israeli plight, where hundreds of thousands Israelis in northern Israel are forced to go south.

When Hezbollah is eradicated, Lebanon agrees to an international force until it can control its own country, and Israel helps pay for the damage in Lebanon, will Lebanon compensate Israel for damages in Haifa? Probably not.

Careful, your bias is showing rchiu.

 

[Doboji]

You know I think I saw this piece... it's where the reporter and the "tourguide" are running through the streets, and he keeps asking... *reporter voice* "SO the Israelis could strike here at any moment?" *terrorist voice* "yes right here, come come"

Actually I thought it made Hezbollah look really bad... because it seemed so obvious they were full of sht...

-Max

 

[rchiu]

Originally posted by: Aisengard
Heh, and as usual the terrorist supporters completely ignore the Israeli plight, where hundreds of thousands Israelis in northern Israel are forced to go south.

When Hezbollah is eradicated, Lebanon agrees to an international force until it can control its own country, and Israel helps pay for the damage in Lebanon, will Lebanon compensate Israel for damages in Haifa? Probably not.

Careful, your bias is showing rchiu.

My bias? How much damage Hezbollah, or for that matter, all the Muslim extremists added up together, has done to Israel? How many Israelis in Haifa has been displaced? Buildings destroyed? You think money can replace family member lost, life and family destroyed?

When Israelis learn to respond with restrain and respect for human life, I will take my bias and eat it.

 

[EagleKeeper]

Originally posted by: rchiu

Originally posted by: Aisengard
Heh, and as usual the terrorist supporters completely ignore the Israeli plight, where hundreds of thousands Israelis in northern Israel are forced to go south.

When Hezbollah is eradicated, Lebanon agrees to an international force until it can control its own country, and Israel helps pay for the damage in Lebanon, will Lebanon compensate Israel for damages in Haifa? Probably not.

Careful, your bias is showing rchiu.

My bias? How much damage Hezbollah, or for that matter, all the Muslim extremists added up together, has done to Israel? How many Israelis in Haifa has been displaced? Buildings destroyed? You think money can replace family member lost, life and family destroyed?

When Israelis learn to respond with restrain and respect for human life, I will take my bias and eat it.

Hezbollah has demonstrated that they have no regard for civilian life. You should not attempt to put all the blame on Israel.

After all, they have not sworn to elimated Hezbollah or Hamas.

If Israel does not check the extermists at the border, think of what damage they could be doing.

 

[ButterflyHugs]

Originally posted by: Frackal
Interesting. .... let's bet... 2 posts until Fox News is brought up? Or maybe 3 max

I hate to be the one that does this but.....

I literally just saw a segment on FNC where they had one of their reporters "embedded with the IDF in S. Lebanon".

I guess they will claim "what's good for the goose"?

 

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: rchiu
Heh, I guess the 400+ civilian death, 1000+ injured and 700,000+ displaced is Hezbollah progaganda? So what if a few camera shots of distroyed building is propaganda, the fact that 700,000 ppl have to leave their home, job and life don't need any more propaganda to show how much damage Israelis has done.

Why did 700000 people leave?

Oh, that is right, Israel warned them to leave so they wouldn't be killed. Guess Israel can't win, should have let them stay and we could have 150K civilian deaths, but no one displaced. 🙂

 

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: rchiu

Originally posted by: Aisengard
Heh, and as usual the terrorist supporters completely ignore the Israeli plight, where hundreds of thousands Israelis in northern Israel are forced to go south.

When Hezbollah is eradicated, Lebanon agrees to an international force until it can control its own country, and Israel helps pay for the damage in Lebanon, will Lebanon compensate Israel for damages in Haifa? Probably not.

Careful, your bias is showing rchiu.

My bias? How much damage Hezbollah, or for that matter, all the Muslim extremists added up together, has done to Israel? How many Israelis in Haifa has been displaced? Buildings destroyed? You think money can replace family member lost, life and family destroyed?

When Israelis learn to respond with restrain and respect for human life, I will take my bias and eat it.

Ah, well maybe you should learn a little history before joining in these conversations. Israel has restrined itself for almost 40 years now, they could have destroyed the Arabs easily enough the last 40 years, that is restraint.

You can go eat your bias now. 🙂

 

[OutHouse]

Originally posted by: rchiu
Heh, I guess the 400+ civilian death, 1000+ injured and 700,000+ displaced is Hezbollah progaganda? So what if a few camera shots of distroyed building is propaganda, the fact that 700,000 ppl have to leave their home, job and life don't need any more propaganda to show how much damage Israelis has done.

its their own damn fault for allowing a terrorist goup live amungst them and pick fights that they cant hope to win.

 

[OutHouse]

Originally posted by: rchiu

Originally posted by: Aisengard
Heh, and as usual the terrorist supporters completely ignore the Israeli plight, where hundreds of thousands Israelis in northern Israel are forced to go south.

When Hezbollah is eradicated, Lebanon agrees to an international force until it can control its own country, and Israel helps pay for the damage in Lebanon, will Lebanon compensate Israel for damages in Haifa? Probably not.

Careful, your bias is showing rchiu.

My bias? How much damage Hezbollah, or for that matter, all the Muslim extremists added up together, has done to Israel? How many Israelis in Haifa has been displaced? Buildings destroyed? You think money can replace family member lost, life and family destroyed?

When Israelis learn to respond with restrain and respect for human life, I will take my bias and eat it.

wow... yea your bias. Hezbollah picked this fight, and Isreal has had enough of it. The IDF has targeted known terrorist locals and made their first strikes in the middle of the night to prevent any civilian deaths. on the other hand Hezbollah launches rockets into isreal hoping to cause civilian deaths. oh and lets not forget all the homicide bombers who blow up cafes, buses, night clubs all in the name of allah, Hezbollah and terror.

 

[Jaskalas]

Originally posted by: rchiu

Originally posted by: Aisengard
Heh, and as usual the terrorist supporters completely ignore the Israeli plight, where hundreds of thousands Israelis in northern Israel are forced to go south.

When Hezbollah is eradicated, Lebanon agrees to an international force until it can control its own country, and Israel helps pay for the damage in Lebanon, will Lebanon compensate Israel for damages in Haifa? Probably not.

Careful, your bias is showing rchiu.

My bias? How much damage Hezbollah, or for that matter, all the Muslim extremists added up together, has done to Israel? How many Israelis in Haifa has been displaced? Buildings destroyed? You think money can replace family member lost, life and family destroyed?

When Israelis learn to respond with restrain and respect for human life, I will take my bias and eat it.

Israel could nuke Lebanon today and kill all of Hezbollah. They HAVE shown tremendous restraint at the cost of their own lives.

 

[imported_peachee]

Israel keeps the fight going with conventional weapons so: they can ask the U.S. for continual FREE funding and weaponry. Apparently, by attacking other nations and announcing that it is defending itself and needs more cash is the only way Israel can survive.

What a pathetic way to exist Israel. Seriously!

And with $6 billion/year U.S. tax payers money! 🙁

 

[rchiu]

Originally posted by: Jaskalas

Originally posted by: rchiu

Originally posted by: Aisengard
Heh, and as usual the terrorist supporters completely ignore the Israeli plight, where hundreds of thousands Israelis in northern Israel are forced to go south.

When Hezbollah is eradicated, Lebanon agrees to an international force until it can control its own country, and Israel helps pay for the damage in Lebanon, will Lebanon compensate Israel for damages in Haifa? Probably not.

Careful, your bias is showing rchiu.

My bias? How much damage Hezbollah, or for that matter, all the Muslim extremists added up together, has done to Israel? How many Israelis in Haifa has been displaced? Buildings destroyed? You think money can replace family member lost, life and family destroyed?

When Israelis learn to respond with restrain and respect for human life, I will take my bias and eat it.

Israel could nuke Lebanon today and kill all of Hezbollah. They HAVE shown tremendous restraint at the cost of their own lives.

Haha, they probably would if they could. Only problem is that the nuclear waste would probably fly over to Israel. You ppl really got no shame in your one sided support for Israel. Facts, Israel killed more, destroyed more. It is not just little more, it is multiple times more. And most of the people they killed are civilians, women and children, not enemy soldiers and terrorists.

Nobody will have problem is Israelis is actually killing Hezbollah or Hamas who have attacked them. The problem is, they are not, they are killing, injuring and displacing civilian. Their response is disporportionate and against the wrong people. Same thing they have been doing for the past 40 year. Don't know how ppl who have a shred of compassion can support a country that has been doing that for the past 40 years.

 

[Siwy]

Originally posted by: rchiu

Originally posted by: Jaskalas

Originally posted by: rchiu

Originally posted by: Aisengard
Heh, and as usual the terrorist supporters completely ignore the Israeli plight, where hundreds of thousands Israelis in northern Israel are forced to go south.

When Hezbollah is eradicated, Lebanon agrees to an international force until it can control its own country, and Israel helps pay for the damage in Lebanon, will Lebanon compensate Israel for damages in Haifa? Probably not.

Careful, your bias is showing rchiu.

My bias? How much damage Hezbollah, or for that matter, all the Muslim extremists added up together, has done to Israel? How many Israelis in Haifa has been displaced? Buildings destroyed? You think money can replace family member lost, life and family destroyed?

When Israelis learn to respond with restrain and respect for human life, I will take my bias and eat it.

Israel could nuke Lebanon today and kill all of Hezbollah. They HAVE shown tremendous restraint at the cost of their own lives.

Haha, they probably would if they could. Only problem is that the nuclear waste would probably fly over to Israel. You ppl really got no shame in your one sided support for Israel. Facts, Israel killed more, destroyed more. It is not just little more, it is multiple times more. And most of the people they killed are civilians, women and children, not enemy soldiers and terrorists.

Nobody will have problem is Israelis is actually killing Hezbollah or Hamas who have attacked them. The problem is, they are not, they are killing, injuring and displacing civilian. Their response is disporportionate and against the wrong people. Same thing they have been doing for the past 40 year. Don't know how ppl who have a shred of compassion can support a country that has been doing that for the past 40 years.

That?s right :thumbsup:

Current Israelis have become what their grandparents would have hated and feared.

 

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: rchiu

Originally posted by: Jaskalas

Originally posted by: rchiu

Originally posted by: Aisengard
Heh, and as usual the terrorist supporters completely ignore the Israeli plight, where hundreds of thousands Israelis in northern Israel are forced to go south.

When Hezbollah is eradicated, Lebanon agrees to an international force until it can control its own country, and Israel helps pay for the damage in Lebanon, will Lebanon compensate Israel for damages in Haifa? Probably not.

Careful, your bias is showing rchiu.

My bias? How much damage Hezbollah, or for that matter, all the Muslim extremists added up together, has done to Israel? How many Israelis in Haifa has been displaced? Buildings destroyed? You think money can replace family member lost, life and family destroyed?

When Israelis learn to respond with restrain and respect for human life, I will take my bias and eat it.

Israel could nuke Lebanon today and kill all of Hezbollah. They HAVE shown tremendous restraint at the cost of their own lives.

Haha, they probably would if they could. Only problem is that the nuclear waste would probably fly over to Israel. You ppl really got no shame in your one sided support for Israel. Facts, Israel killed more, destroyed more. It is not just little more, it is multiple times more. And most of the people they killed are civilians, women and children, not enemy soldiers and terrorists.

Nobody will have problem is Israelis is actually killing Hezbollah or Hamas who have attacked them. The problem is, they are not, they are killing, injuring and displacing civilian. Their response is disporportionate and against the wrong people. Same thing they have been doing for the past 40 year. Don't know how ppl who have a shred of compassion can support a country that has been doing that for the past 40 years.

Don't know how you can support a group thats policy is to kill civlians. Says alot about you.

 

[EagleKeeper]

Originally posted by: rchiu

Nobody will have problem is Israelis is actually killing Hezbollah or Hamas who have attacked them. The problem is, they are not, they are killing, injuring and displacing civilian. Their response is disporportionate and against the wrong people. Same thing they have been doing for the past 40 year. Don't know how ppl who have a shred of compassion can support a country that has been doing that for the past 40 years.

One problem is the Hezbollah & Hamas love to hide amoung the civilians; therefore causing civilian casualties.

Israeli's were uniforms so Hamas & Hezbollah know who is their opponent. The IDF does not have such targets readily identified.

If the Arab countries were not attempting to destroy/exterminate Israel over the past 60 years and using proxies over the past 30 years the situation would not be in this state.

If is the Arab refusual in the beginning to accept what they agreed to and then their refusal to acknowledge that they could not win to fostered the problem. Then their egos continued the problem by screwing the Palestinians over and over again.

Had they left things alone, Arafat would not have become such a PTIA and Israel woiuld not have needed to go after him in Lebanon.

 

[GrGr]

Originally posted by: ButterflyHugs

Originally posted by: Frackal
Interesting. .... let's bet... 2 posts until Fox News is brought up? Or maybe 3 max

I hate to be the one that does this but.....

I literally just saw a segment on FNC where they had one of their reporters "embedded with the IDF in S. Lebanon".

I guess they will claim "what's good for the goose"?

Hehe, yup. When will MSM reporters have the guts to stand up and say: "I transmitted Pentagon propaganda".

 

[Harabec]

Originally posted by: peachee
Israel keeps the fight going with conventional weapons so: they can ask the U.S. for continual FREE funding and weaponry. Apparently, by attacking other nations and announcing that it is defending itself and needs more cash is the only way Israel can survive.

What a pathetic way to exist Israel. Seriously!

And with $6 billion/year U.S. tax payers money! 🙁

If you really believe this, all I can say is that I'm sorry for you.
We try to minimize civilian casualties by sending ground troops to deal with Hizballah members instead of bombing an entire town out of existance.
The wounded and dead soldiers in Bint Jbail are the price we pay for that.

 

[Siwy]

Originally posted by: Harabec

Originally posted by: peachee
Israel keeps the fight going with conventional weapons so: they can ask the U.S. for continual FREE funding and weaponry. Apparently, by attacking other nations and announcing that it is defending itself and needs more cash is the only way Israel can survive.

What a pathetic way to exist Israel. Seriously!

And with $6 billion/year U.S. tax payers money! 🙁

If you really believe this, all I can say is that I'm sorry for you.
We try to minimize civilian casualties by sending ground troops to deal with Hizballah members instead of bombing an entire town out of existance.
The wounded and dead soldiers in Bint Jbail are the price we pay for that.

Haha, haven?t you been following the news, Israel is bombing towns out of existence.

What is even more disturbing and contradicting to your statements is that Israeli security cabinet decided to continue and even step up the bombardment.

The reason they haven?t done so in Bint Jbeil and went in with ground forces is because it has a strategic value to Israel. But you know...keep twisting the facts to suit your "point of view".

 

[OutHouse]

Originally posted by: Siwy

Originally posted by: Harabec

Originally posted by: peachee
Israel keeps the fight going with conventional weapons so: they can ask the U.S. for continual FREE funding and weaponry. Apparently, by attacking other nations and announcing that it is defending itself and needs more cash is the only way Israel can survive.

What a pathetic way to exist Israel. Seriously!

And with $6 billion/year U.S. tax payers money! 🙁

If you really believe this, all I can say is that I'm sorry for you.
We try to minimize civilian casualties by sending ground troops to deal with Hizballah members instead of bombing an entire town out of existance.
The wounded and dead soldiers in Bint Jbail are the price we pay for that.

Haha, haven?t you been following the news, Israel is bombing towns out of existence.

What is even more disturbing and contradicting to your statements is that Israeli security cabinet decided to continue and even step up the bombardment.

The reason they haven?t done so in Bint Jbeil and went in with ground forces is because it has a strategic value to Israel. But you know...keep twisting the facts to suit your "point of view".

i guess you forgot about all the homicide bombers Hezbollah sent into isreal didnt you. after all you didnt post any links to the aftermath of a bomb going off in a nightclub or public bus. but by your standards Isreal is evil and cant protect itself, if they do they are war criminals and terrorist.

Where are you links to the rockets killing kids in Isreal?

you make me sick.