CNN Demonizes Vaping

[flexy]

http://us.cnn.com/2015/09/04/us/vaping-abuse/index.html

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said in April that e-cigarette usage among middle- and high-schoolers tripled between 2013 and 2014. Usage among high-schoolers was 13.4% last year.
Most telling, Hall said, is that some kids had never smoked before. They are new users.

Cunha predicts that by the time the research catches up, the problem will be too big to control.

"I think that these devices do have a role in helping people get off of actual cigarettes and that they may be proven safer in that case, but in the hands of teenagers and drug abusers, they are definitely a very dangerous thing to have," he said.

Note how they mix "the problem" (of people using drugs) into one single pot with vaping.

They demonize vapers and vape-stores and make it sound as if vape-stores promote the use of drugs.

As someone who vapes and enjoys it and thinks that vaping is the FAR better alternative to smoking I am insulted by this article and the way it is written. It is ON THE FIRST PAGE on CNN.

 

[Bart*Simpson]

Question: What's in that vaping liquid you're buying from the very trustworthy people in China?

 

[IronWing]

Asshole vapers are already spewing their shit around other people. Fuck them.

 

[MongGrel]

It was bound to happen I guess, with all the synthetic crap around these days.

And I do not buy mine from people in China, I actually mix a lot of my own from common things you can buy.

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2387652&page=15

 

[KeithP]

What do you expect? They (the media) has been doing the same thing to gun owners (among other groups) for years.

We no longer have competent press in the United States or, for that matter, anywhere in the world.

-KeithP

 

[sze5003]

Yea it's BS i vape and have gone down in nic levels a lot. I also don't buy Chinese liquid. Common ingredients are propylene glycol and vegetable glycerin plus nicotine if you choose and a flavor.

 

[flexy]

Question: What's in that vaping liquid you're buying from the very trustworthy people in China?

I am only buying very little "from China", those pre-made liquids contain propylene glycol or what I prefer vegetable glycerin, water and food grade aroma. (PG and VG are common ingredients found in food or cosmetics). There is no indication that those ingredients are harmful or at least not as harmful as the 5000 known carcinogens as in smoke.

However, I started mixing my own stuff in the meantime, means I get food-grade VG (or PG) of highest purity (made in EU or US) to mix along with food-grade aromas.

If you look in vape-stores, pretty much any of them are now selling pre-made fluids made in EU or US along with the Chinese stuff. Even when buying "from China", I do not *BELIEVE* that large companies like Hangsen use "harmful ingredients" but I admit of course I don't know. Vaping has become pretty mainstream, so if some liquid makers would sell liquids/aromas with harmful ingredients it would become public sooner or later.

Here something anectodal since I just come back from an article on the Daily Mail where they used the glorious line "There is no way for the public or the medical community to know what is in e-cigs".

Which of course is entirely BS since there doesn't seem to be a problem "to know what's in normal smokes"...but by some magic it supposed to be impossible to determine what's in e-cigs? What a load of BS.

Of course it's possible to know what's in ecigs, you can do the same tests. And of course we all know plenty of such tests have already been made and I am STILL looking for the one where they list that they found harmful ingredients They didn't.

 

[MrSquished]

Question: What's in that vaping liquid you're buying from the very trustworthy people in China?

I worried about this which is why I only vape Five Pawns liquids. Pricey but you know what you are getting.

 

[IronWing]

I am only buying very little "from China", those pre-made liquids contain propylene glycol or what I prefer vegetable glycerin, water and food grade aroma. (PG and VG are common ingredients found in food or cosmetics). There is no indication that those ingredients are harmful or at least not as harmful as the 5000 known carcinogens as in smoke.

However, I started mixing my own stuff in the meantime, means I get food-grade VG (or PG) of highest purity (made in EU or US) to mix along with food-grade aromas.

If you look in vape-stores, pretty much any of them are now selling pre-made fluids made in EU or US along with the Chinese stuff. Even when buying "from China", I do not *BELIEVE* that large companies like Hangsen use "harmful ingredients" but I admit of course I don't know. Vaping has become pretty mainstream, so if some liquid makers would sell liquids/aromas with harmful ingredients it would become public sooner or later.

Here something anectodal since I just come back from an article on the Daily Mail where they used the glorious line "There is no way for the public or the medical community to know what is in e-cigs".

Which of course is entirely BS since there doesn't seem to be a problem "to know what's in normal smokes"...but by some magic it supposed to be impossible to determine what's in e-cigs? What a load of BS.

Of course it's possible to know what's in ecigs, you can do the same tests. And of course we all know plenty of such tests have already been made and I am STILL looking for the one where they list that they found harmful ingredients They didn't.

Nicotine. Next.

 

[Pulsar]

Vape all you want - just not around me. I don't mind folks using nicotine. It's no different than drinking alcohol in my opinion. But many vapers think that it's 'better' than smoking around others. That hasn't been proven - and the chemicals you're putting out are atomized.

Some studies say that the concentrations are low enough that they may not affect others like second hand smoke does. But we simply don't know that yet. Look how long it took doctors to get around the whole big-tobacco money stream to admit it causes cancer.

Vape till you heart's content. Just don't do it in a room I'm in. I see it no different than smoking around me.

 

[IronWing]

Vape all you want - just not around me. I don't mind folks using nicotine. It's no different than drinking alcohol in my opinion. But many vapers think that it's 'better' than smoking around others. That hasn't been proven - and the chemicals you're putting out are atomized.

Some studies say that the concentrations are low enough that they may not affect others like second hand smoke does. But we simply don't know that yet. Look how long it took doctors to get around the whole big-tobacco money stream to admit it causes cancer.

Vape till you heart's content. Just don't do it in a room I'm in. I see it no different than smoking around me.

^^ This, exactly. Except I'm more prickish about it.

 

[Strk]

Vape all you want - just not around me. I don't mind folks using nicotine. It's no different than drinking alcohol in my opinion. But many vapers think that it's 'better' than smoking around others. That hasn't been proven - and the chemicals you're putting out are atomized.

Some studies say that the concentrations are low enough that they may not affect others like second hand smoke does. But we simply don't know that yet. Look how long it took doctors to get around the whole big-tobacco money stream to admit it causes cancer.

Vape till you heart's content. Just don't do it in a room I'm in. I see it no different than smoking around me.

That's pretty much how I feel about it. People seem to be convinced they can do it without regard to those around them.

 

[OutHouse]

http://us.cnn.com/2015/09/04/us/vaping-abuse/index.html

Note how they mix "the problem" (of people using drugs) into one single pot with vaping.

They demonize vapers and vape-stores and make it sound as if vape-stores promote the use of drugs.

As someone who vapes and enjoys it and thinks that vaniping is the FAR better alternative to smoking I am insulted by this article and the way it is written. It is ON THE FIRST PAGE on CNN.

Fuck them. If my HS kid gaped I would not be pissed. Better than smoking.

 

[NutBucket]

I'd be pissed if my kid vaped.

I view it as no different than smoking. Do what you want, just not around me.

 

[pete6032]

Vape all you want - just not around me. I don't mind folks using nicotine. It's no different than drinking alcohol in my opinion. But many vapers think that it's 'better' than smoking around others. That hasn't been proven - and the chemicals you're putting out are atomized.

Some studies say that the concentrations are low enough that they may not affect others like second hand smoke does. But we simply don't know that yet. Look how long it took doctors to get around the whole big-tobacco money stream to admit it causes cancer.

Vape till you heart's content. Just don't do it in a room I'm in. I see it no different than smoking around me.

I was on the subway the other day and a teenager was sitting in my car and decided to start vaping on the train. I'm not sure why he thought that was acceptable behavior. The whole freaking train car smelled like a jolly rancher by the time he got off.

 

[Auric]

Fuck them. If my HS kid gaped I would not be pissed. Better than smoking.

 

[MongGrel]

I was on the subway the other day and a teenager was sitting in my car and decided to start vaping on the train. I'm not sure why he thought that was acceptable behavior. The whole freaking train car smelled like a jolly rancher by the time he got off.

Maybe he had a gallon of AXE body crap on or something.

That is always my peeve even over vaping that I do.

Smells horrible and goes a mile.

 

[dave_the_nerd]

About six months after I started my current job, we got an email reminding us not to use e-cigs in our cubes.

I've been around people using them, and I find them fairly inoffensive (then again, I was never particularly bothered by cigarette smoke either, although I don't smoke, never have, and find the after-odor rather nauseating.) But I still have a hard time understanding how people who work in an office where there are "fragrance free" signs everywhere figure vaping inside would be okay.

Then again, that's how addictions work.

 

[MrSquished]

I view it as no different than smoking.

that right there is what makes you a moron

 

[GrumpyMan]

A bar I go to sometimes has patrons who put a hash oil vaping mixture in them and get high at the bar even though the city is no smoking city. Go figure....

 

[sze5003]

I just met a chick because I was vaping so I guess its not so bad. Its a conversation starter when they come asking for a cig.

 

[MongGrel]

I just met a chick because I was vaping so I guess its not so bad. Its a conversation starter when they come asking for a cig.

Things like that happen I guess.

I was even eating with the wife on the patio of a popular local place and the owner came up and started a conversation asking me about my rig.

He liked it and wanted to know about it.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Yea it's BS i vape and have gone down in nic levels a lot. I also don't buy Chinese liquid. Common ingredients are propylene glycol and vegetable glycerin plus nicotine if you choose and a flavor.

sounds safe to me...lolol

 

[JEDIYoda]

that right there is what makes you a moron

Nope....makes you a moron for believing differently!!

 

[MongGrel]

sounds safe to me...lolol

PG and VG are in a vast amount of things you eat or use as hygiene products with on a daily basis, I'd bet if you take the time to read labels.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004C7MTLA?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o04_s00


http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00GI2CIQS?psc=1