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c'moooon CA don't mess this one up. Yes, another marijuana thread.

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nonlnear said:
I believe that. No sarcasm whatsoever.
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So you're saying there's no harmful effects whatsoever in MJ use, either short or long-term? Somehow, I find that hard to believe. Most users I've known have reported some temporary impairment of judgment.
 
TruePaige said:
It's no worse than Ibuprofen.
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It's actually a lot better than Ibuprofen. Last time I checked eating a bag of weed wouldn't make your stomach bleed, or kill you.

I've always thought that pot laws were absolutely ridiculous, if nothing else in the comparison to alcohol laws. Nothing but good can come from this, less crime, tax money, less people in prison, lower drug trafficking and by extension gang violence. I just have my doubts that the government, especially the shithole that is Commiefornia can do it right.
 
xj0hnx said:
It's actually a lot better than Ibuprofen. Last time I checked eating a bag of weed wouldn't make your stomach bleed, or kill you.

I've always thought that pot laws were absolutely ridiculous, if nothing else in the comparison to alcohol laws. Nothing but good can come from this, less crime, tax money, less people in prison, lower drug trafficking and by extension gang violence. I just have my doubts that the government, especially the shithole that is Commiefornia can do it right.
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Regardless, the feds likely won't let them. Which is a shame - it should be a state issue.
 
Mursilis said:
Regardless, the feds likely won't let them. Which is a shame - it should be a state issue.
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Yea I seriously doubt they will get on board with it. Let's face it, the War on Drugs™ is BIG business, multi-billion dollar a year between all the agencies, prisons, keeping it illegal is lining a LOT of pockets.
 
badnewcastle said:
Just another way to get Libs to show up at the ballot box.
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I think it will bring a lot of conservatives too.

The social conservatives voting against, the states' rights types and fiscal conservatives (like me) voting for it.

If it passes and they handle it right could really cut down on crime, drugs from Mexico and drastically reduce the burden on the justice system.

I hope it passes. Will be interesting to see what Obama does. Whether he inforces fed law or not he's open to critizism from one side or the other.

Fern
 
Fern said:
I think it will bring a lot of conservatives too.

The social conservatives voting against, the states' rights types and fiscal conservatives (like me) voting for it.

If it passes and they handle it right could really cut down on crime, drugs from Mexico and drastically reduce the burden on the justice system.

I hope it passes. Will be interesting to see what Obama does. Whether he inforces fed law or not he's open to critizism from one side or the other.

Fern
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Nothing is going to change really. No real company is going to invest in infrastructure knowing that the next president could simply send out the DEA and seize their business plus all of their property bought with drug money.

The issue of states rights is a national problem. Thank you "progressives" for not believing in them. Ironic isn't it?

Then there is the issue of the president choosing which laws to enforce and which laws to ignore. I bet you next time you get caught speeding you can't opt-out of a ticket. That is essentially what is happening. Same thing happens with immigration.
 
Patranus said:
No real company is going to invest in infrastructure knowing that the next president could simply send out the DEA and seize their business plus all of their property bought with drug money.
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Great! It'll stimulate small business, something I've always been in favor of.
 
TruePaige said:
Great! It'll stimulate small business, something I've always been in favor of.
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What investor is going to invest in this "small business" when in 2 years their property and any property bought with drug money can be seized by the DEA?

Certainly not any bank or other investment entity.
 
Patranus said:
What investor is going to invest in this "small business" when in 2 years their property and any property bought with drug money can be seized by the DEA?

Certainly not any bank or other investment entity.
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Low barrier of entry, does not require large investments.

You just need land and good weather, something California is full of. Hire locals in your community to help harvest and package. Go to local businesses to sell your products and advertise to invite direct purchase from citizens.
 
Mursilis said:
So you're saying there's no harmful effects whatsoever in MJ use, either short or long-term? Somehow, I find that hard to believe. Most users I've known have reported some temporary impairment of judgment.
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No, I believe there are no harmful effects to ending prohibition. I took TruePaige's comment to say that there are no cons to legalizing. After all, creating a crime imposes massive social costs in terms of policing, legal infrastructure, jails, and lost productivity. Combine that with the fact that prohibition has only a minor impact (if any) on actual usage of MJ and it's clear that the policy of prohibition is far and away not worth the costs - and that's if you see any benefits to it at all.

Not to mention the principle of liberty...

edit: There's also the transfer of the profits of the industry from law abiding citizens to criminal enterprises.
 
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nonlnear said:
No, I believe there are no harmful effects to ending prohibition. I took TruePaige's comment to say that there are no cons to legalizing. After all, creating a crime imposes massive social costs in terms of policing, legal infrastructure, jails, and lost productivity. Combine that with the fact that prohibition has only a minor impact (if any) on actual usage of MJ and it's clear that the policy of prohibition is far and away not worth the costs - and that's if you see any benefits to it at all.

Not to mention the principle of liberty...
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Thank you for understanding and summarizing so wonderfully. 🙂
 
Patranus said:
Nothing is going to change really. No real company is going to invest in infrastructure knowing that the next president could simply send out the DEA and seize their business plus all of their property bought with drug money.
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That's awful short-sighted.

If I were Phillip Morris, I would heavily invest in this, get it to market QUICK, make a bunch of money off of it in the 2.5 years left of this presidency, so that I could be able to lobby for it to be de-scheduled.
 
badnewcastle said:
I think the Healthcare issue is more about why do I have to work hard so I can get the healthcare I want but somebody else doesn't have to put the same work in for it... Yet I get to pay for their healthcare too.

Healthcare is now another entitlement program that takes motivation away from wanting to work and make a living so you can enjoy the fruits of your labor.
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A vast majority of people don't need special motivation to work and make a living to enjoy the fruits of their labor....
 
TruePaige said:
I guess more people will have to go to work instead of cushy prison when they were capable of being productive members of society!

..Oh wait, not a con either and I'm sure they'll be happy to get out of prison.
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MJ is already decriminalized here, only the dealers go to prison. And you have to get caught with a shit ton to go to prison.
 
TruePaige said:
Low barrier of entry, does not require large investments.

You just need land and good weather, something California is full of. Hire locals in your community to help harvest and package. Go to local businesses to sell your products and advertise to invite direct purchase from citizens.
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You don't even need land or good weather. A basement and cheap power is all that it takes if you don't have the luxury of a favorable climate. 😉
 
Mursilis said:
So you're saying there's no harmful effects whatsoever in MJ use, either short or long-term? Somehow, I find that hard to believe. Most users I've known have reported some temporary impairment of judgment.
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who gives a fuck? People smoke drink eat carls jr fuck without protection. stop being everybody's dad
 
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