c'moooon CA don't mess this one up. Yes, another marijuana thread.

[Mursilis]

I believe that. No sarcasm whatsoever.

So you're saying there's no harmful effects whatsoever in MJ use, either short or long-term? Somehow, I find that hard to believe. Most users I've known have reported some temporary impairment of judgment.

 

[badnewcastle]

Do you hate freedom?

Don't hate freedom at all, actually my coment doesn't address weather I'm for or against the legalization of weed. I simply stating that in my opinion because this is on the ballot more libs will show up at the ballot box.

 

[Ns1]

Can a user competently operate a vehicle while high?

depends on the person

for some it's like taking MScontin

For others, it's like taking dayquil.

 

[xj0hnx]

It's no worse than Ibuprofen.

It's actually a lot better than Ibuprofen. Last time I checked eating a bag of weed wouldn't make your stomach bleed, or kill you.

I've always thought that pot laws were absolutely ridiculous, if nothing else in the comparison to alcohol laws. Nothing but good can come from this, less crime, tax money, less people in prison, lower drug trafficking and by extension gang violence. I just have my doubts that the government, especially the shithole that is Commiefornia can do it right.

 

[Mursilis]

It's actually a lot better than Ibuprofen. Last time I checked eating a bag of weed wouldn't make your stomach bleed, or kill you.

I've always thought that pot laws were absolutely ridiculous, if nothing else in the comparison to alcohol laws. Nothing but good can come from this, less crime, tax money, less people in prison, lower drug trafficking and by extension gang violence. I just have my doubts that the government, especially the shithole that is Commiefornia can do it right.

Regardless, the feds likely won't let them. Which is a shame - it should be a state issue.

 

[xj0hnx]

Regardless, the feds likely won't let them. Which is a shame - it should be a state issue.

Yea I seriously doubt they will get on board with it. Let's face it, the War on Drugs™ is BIG business, multi-billion dollar a year between all the agencies, prisons, keeping it illegal is lining a LOT of pockets.

 

[Ns1]

keeping it illegal is lining a LOT of pockets.

this.

 

[Imported]

I live in California, I vote, and I will vote for this if I see it on the ballot.

Same here.

 

[Fern]

Just another way to get Libs to show up at the ballot box.

I think it will bring a lot of conservatives too.

The social conservatives voting against, the states' rights types and fiscal conservatives (like me) voting for it.

If it passes and they handle it right could really cut down on crime, drugs from Mexico and drastically reduce the burden on the justice system.

I hope it passes. Will be interesting to see what Obama does. Whether he inforces fed law or not he's open to critizism from one side or the other.

Fern

 

[TruePaige]

I believe that. No sarcasm whatsoever.

Thank you.

 

[Patranus]

I think it will bring a lot of conservatives too.

The social conservatives voting against, the states' rights types and fiscal conservatives (like me) voting for it.

If it passes and they handle it right could really cut down on crime, drugs from Mexico and drastically reduce the burden on the justice system.

I hope it passes. Will be interesting to see what Obama does. Whether he inforces fed law or not he's open to critizism from one side or the other.

Fern

Nothing is going to change really. No real company is going to invest in infrastructure knowing that the next president could simply send out the DEA and seize their business plus all of their property bought with drug money.

The issue of states rights is a national problem. Thank you "progressives" for not believing in them. Ironic isn't it?

Then there is the issue of the president choosing which laws to enforce and which laws to ignore. I bet you next time you get caught speeding you can't opt-out of a ticket. That is essentially what is happening. Same thing happens with immigration.

 

[TruePaige]

No real company is going to invest in infrastructure knowing that the next president could simply send out the DEA and seize their business plus all of their property bought with drug money.

Great! It'll stimulate small business, something I've always been in favor of.

 

[Patranus]

Great! It'll stimulate small business, something I've always been in favor of.

What investor is going to invest in this "small business" when in 2 years their property and any property bought with drug money can be seized by the DEA?

Certainly not any bank or other investment entity.

 

[TruePaige]

What investor is going to invest in this "small business" when in 2 years their property and any property bought with drug money can be seized by the DEA?

Certainly not any bank or other investment entity.

Low barrier of entry, does not require large investments.

You just need land and good weather, something California is full of. Hire locals in your community to help harvest and package. Go to local businesses to sell your products and advertise to invite direct purchase from citizens.

 

[nonlnear]

So you're saying there's no harmful effects whatsoever in MJ use, either short or long-term? Somehow, I find that hard to believe. Most users I've known have reported some temporary impairment of judgment.

No, I believe there are no harmful effects to ending prohibition. I took TruePaige's comment to say that there are no cons to legalizing. After all, creating a crime imposes massive social costs in terms of policing, legal infrastructure, jails, and lost productivity. Combine that with the fact that prohibition has only a minor impact (if any) on actual usage of MJ and it's clear that the policy of prohibition is far and away not worth the costs - and that's if you see any benefits to it at all.

Not to mention the principle of liberty...

edit: There's also the transfer of the profits of the industry from law abiding citizens to criminal enterprises.

 

[TruePaige]

No, I believe there are no harmful effects to ending prohibition. I took TruePaige's comment to say that there are no cons to legalizing. After all, creating a crime imposes massive social costs in terms of policing, legal infrastructure, jails, and lost productivity. Combine that with the fact that prohibition has only a minor impact (if any) on actual usage of MJ and it's clear that the policy of prohibition is far and away not worth the costs - and that's if you see any benefits to it at all.

Not to mention the principle of liberty...

Thank you for understanding and summarizing so wonderfully.

 

[Oceandevi]

How could any honest christian not love all plants?

 

[ebaycj]

Nothing is going to change really. No real company is going to invest in infrastructure knowing that the next president could simply send out the DEA and seize their business plus all of their property bought with drug money.

That's awful short-sighted.

If I were Phillip Morris, I would heavily invest in this, get it to market QUICK, make a bunch of money off of it in the 2.5 years left of this presidency, so that I could be able to lobby for it to be de-scheduled.

 

[ebaycj]

How could any honest christian not love all plants?

Indeed. God's creation trumps man's laws.

 

[LumbergTech]

I think the Healthcare issue is more about why do I have to work hard so I can get the healthcare I want but somebody else doesn't have to put the same work in for it... Yet I get to pay for their healthcare too.

Healthcare is now another entitlement program that takes motivation away from wanting to work and make a living so you can enjoy the fruits of your labor.

A vast majority of people don't need special motivation to work and make a living to enjoy the fruits of their labor....

 

[OCGuy]

I guess more people will have to go to work instead of cushy prison when they were capable of being productive members of society!

..Oh wait, not a con either and I'm sure they'll be happy to get out of prison.

MJ is already decriminalized here, only the dealers go to prison. And you have to get caught with a shit ton to go to prison.

 

[nonlnear]

Low barrier of entry, does not require large investments.

You just need land and good weather, something California is full of. Hire locals in your community to help harvest and package. Go to local businesses to sell your products and advertise to invite direct purchase from citizens.

You don't even need land or good weather. A basement and cheap power is all that it takes if you don't have the luxury of a favorable climate.

 

[JSt0rm]

So you're saying there's no harmful effects whatsoever in MJ use, either short or long-term? Somehow, I find that hard to believe. Most users I've known have reported some temporary impairment of judgment.

who gives a fuck? People smoke drink eat carls jr fuck without protection. stop being everybody's dad

 

[Theb]

What investor is going to invest in this "small business" when in 2 years their property and any property bought with drug money can be seized by the DEA?

Certainly not any bank or other investment entity.

http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&s...cannabis dispensary&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wl

 

[TruePaige]

You don't even need land or good weather. A basement and cheap power is all that it takes if you don't have the luxury of a favorable climate.

....I like you.

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