Clinton to hand over email server to FBI

[Jhhnn]

Oh come on. You're saying it wasn't wiped?

Why didn't she just outright deny it?

I'm saying we have no way to know let alone if any of it is recoverable no matter how hard the NY Post wants to push that. It's a propaganda come-on.

 

[Jhhnn]

It matters. Not just because she used her own servers -- others have done that as well. It matters because it underscores a concern voters have with her already. Many (most?) think she is a capable leader, but they don't trust her. This further validates the lack of trust, she keeps lying about stuff and hiding stuff, you can't trust her. Many of the hardcore idiots...errr... democrats will obviously still vote for her, just like many on the right will vote for whatever righty is the candidate no matter what. What matters is what the 60% of voters that are not hardcore one way or the other think.

The jury is still out on that one. Either she's getting (and following) bad advice, or it's her own arrogance and hubris, but she's making it much worse than it needs to be.

The same bullshit utterances were made about Benghazi, too, and look at how that turned out.

 

[Jhhnn]

My link was for the video, I should have linked directly to the youtube video itself (this has now been corrected). I did not read, nor do I care to waste my mental energy on, the actual article.

Nice try, however. Pathetic as it was. You didn't even bother to note that every single thing I typed was related to the video and not the article.

It's hilarious you ignored all of the outrage entirely and decided to reply in a completely non-sensical and unrelated way. Your brain works funny.

It's your link, Virge. Perhaps you should be more attentive. They do the same thing as you- use the video for speculative purposes, bolster that with bullshit.

I'll agree that she isn't handling it very well but that doesn't mean there's anything there under all the push-propaganda, either. It's standard Repub scandal mongering as distraction from their own agenda, an agenda that fails the American public most grievously.

 

[OutHouse]

Moron. THIS IS WHAT I DO. I was in the Air Force working in a SCIF for years. I have had a TS/SCI clearance for a long time. I worked for the DoD for several companies including BAE, and Lockheed. I recently just got out that area and working in the private sector for the first time in a long time and not doing contractor work. I ran the security area for some of my jobs. Don't talk to me like I don't know this shit and you do. Because by your posts it is obvious you don't and can't even be bothered to read the stuff I LIVED AND WORKED BY DAILY for years.

I already stated in a previous post in this thread that this stuff has been my job dumbass.

lol Penis1566 just got owned.

 

[PokerGuy]

lol Penis1566 just got owned.

In a MAJOR way. He got so owned that humble now probably has a title and deed for pens1566 around the house somewhere. :biggrin:

 

[PokerGuy]

Factcheck.org takes a look at hildabeast claims. Surprise surprise, it's pretty much "liar liar pants on fire".

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...19/fact-check-hillary-clinton-email/31998177/

She continues to blather more lies and half truths each day. Hubris and arrogance.

 

[Fern]

The NY Post is excellent propaganda, no doubt. Tell us how we can determine the veracity of this tidbit-

According to reports, the FBI, which has possession of Clinton’s server, believes there was an attempt to wipe it clean of data, but missing messages can be *recovered.

You know- reports they conjured out of thin air.

"Thin air"?

It's all over the news:

Clinton's campaign has previously acknowledged that there was an attempt to wipe the server before it was turned over last week to the FBI. But two sources with direct knowledge of the investigation told NBC News on Tuesday that the bureau may be able to recover at least some data.

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/hil...-can-recover-some-data-clinton-server-n411976

Fern

 

[HumblePie]

I will state that even if Hillary is "cleared" of major wrong doing here, the insinuation about it may majorly affect her presidential candidacy run here. I'm am throwing out what I know and speculating on the what-ifs while reserving judgement after the investigation has run its course. There is a chance for a major consequences to happen based upon the little we do know about the investigation though and that is crazy to think about when it comes to someone form her position.

 

[werepossum]

Being called a hack used to be considered a huge insult...nowadays some folks wear it like a crown. Times have changed.

Yep. If not the title, certainly the behavior.

The mail server (pre 2013) was not in Clinton's home (and not protected by Secret Service). It was located in NYC in a commercial building.
Clinton address was only for the registrant of the domain.

That bothered me as well, but in the end I'm not sure it even matters. It would be sufficiently easy for government hackers to get into the system electronically, at zero risk, that probably no one would bother with the physical server.

I don't really believe in this kind of politics, and I ultimately don't think that any of this will matter.

Seriously, do you give a fuck if Hillary Clinton used her own email server? I don't, and I doubt most Democratic voters will.

The hyperbole in this thread is good evidence for how desperate they are. Manufacturing evidence to start a war in the Middle East rolls of their fucking backs like water off a duck's feathers. But OMG PRIVATE EMAIL SERVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11111OneONe.

Perhaps to save time you could tell us what she could possibly do about which you would give a fuck.

And after that, perhaps just go ahead and give us your reason why you won't give a fuck anyway after she does it.

 

[BoberFett]

It's sad how many Clinton nuthuggers there are. I've stated that all the Republicans are shit and I'd vote for Sanders before any of those right wing nutters, but Hillary is no better than any of the Republicans. She's a crooked piece of shit who cares about Hillary. But as I've also said many times, Republicans and Democrats are almost exactly the same. It's funny that they think they're different.

 

[Jhhnn]

Moron. THIS IS WHAT I DO. I was in the Air Force working in a SCIF for years. I have had a TS/SCI clearance for a long time. I worked for the DoD for several companies including BAE, and Lockheed. I recently just got out that area and working in the private sector for the first time in a long time and not doing contractor work. I ran the security area for some of my jobs. Don't talk to me like I don't know this shit and you do. Because by your posts it is obvious you don't and can't even be bothered to read the stuff I LIVED AND WORKED BY DAILY for years.

I already stated in a previous post in this thread that this stuff has been my job dumbass.

Peachy. So how does something that landed in your inbox become classified information? If it's obviously not classified in a categorical way when you get it?

Can the SoS make that call over their own inbox? Or make no call at all, given that they won't be disseminating it other than through approved channels?

What's being lost in all this is any notion of sense or of linear thinking, apparently a common problem among security types. Witness the TSA. Witness the derision used towards the term "military intelligence".

Information is obviously different but that doesn't mean you comprehend the difference between your place in the scheme of it & that of the SoS, any SoS.

Security protocols & information classification systems are designed to stratify & limit information access for people like us, not for the SoS. Within the State Dept, their access & authority is at the pinnacle of it.

It's also important to understand how pointless it is to try to classify anything transmitted by ordinary email after the fact, at least for the purposes of national security.

If we assume it's fundamentally insecure then such actions are useful only in shaping public perception. If we take some bit of email information off the server or the computer & wrap it in a security blanket, we ignore where it's been and how it got there, not to mention that it still exists wherever the originator created it & sent it, as do any replies.

The whole notion that such a thing can be truly secured is a complete flimflam.

OTOH, if we assume that access hasn't been hacked it's pointless to go on about how it's some sort of great national security breach because it can't be by definition.

Can't have it both ways.

 

[werepossum]

It's sad how many Clinton nuthuggers there are. I've stated that all the Republicans are shit and I'd vote for Sanders before any of those right wing nutters, but Hillary is no better than any of the Republicans. She's a crooked piece of shit who cares about Hillary. But as I've also said many times, Republicans and Democrats are almost exactly the same. It's funny that they think they're different.

Yup. It's one thing to try to pick the cleanest end of the turd, quite another to pretend that it IS clean. It's simply what one perceives as the less-nasty end of the exact same nasty old thing.

 

[Jhhnn]

"Thin air"?

It's all over the news:



http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/hil...-can-recover-some-data-clinton-server-n411976

Fern

And, uhh, so what? Just what is this fishing expedition expected to catch, anyway, other than conspiracy theory morons?

From anonymous sources, of course. Gotta keep the rubes on the hook, right?

 

[BonzaiDuck]

Peachy. So how does something that landed in your inbox become classified information? If it's obviously not classified in a categorical way when you get it?

Can the SoS make that call over their own inbox? Or make no call at all, given that they won't be disseminating it other than through approved channels?

What's being lost in all this is any notion of sense or of linear thinking, apparently a common problem among security types. Witness the TSA. Witness the derision used towards the term "military intelligence".

Information is obviously different but that doesn't mean you comprehend the difference between your place in the scheme of it & that of the SoS, any SoS.

Security protocols & information classification systems are designed to stratify & limit information access for people like us, not for the SoS. Within the State Dept, their access & authority is at the pinnacle of it.

It's also important to understand how pointless it is to try to classify anything transmitted by ordinary email after the fact, at least for the purposes of national security.

If we assume it's fundamentally insecure then such actions are useful only in shaping public perception. If we take some bit of email information off the server or the computer & wrap it in a security blanket, we ignore where it's been and how it got there, not to mention that it still exists wherever the originator created it & sent it, as do any replies.

The whole notion that such a thing can be truly secured is a complete flimflam.

OTOH, if we assume that access hasn't been hacked it's pointless to go on about how it's some sort of great national security breach because it can't be by definition.

Can't have it both ways.

I think we're transmitting on the same wavelength about this.

How or why Madam Secretary came to see the need for a "personal e-mail server" is not clear to me. But it would eliminate any security vulnerability for copies of e-mails stored with an ISP's e-mail server.

And I also understand that Secret Service personnel had set up her server.

Now in hindsight, this raises the question "what SHOULD she have done?"

Since all the frenzy about the e-mails looks like investigating fleas on the backs of fleas, I'd only bet that there's really nothing there and nothing to be excited about.

But the faction looking to scratch a scab and make it bleed will never stop.

I would think that Clinton would be able to log into her State Department e-mail account directly -- remotely. I would also think, that given all the other matters of the Clintons -- personal, the foundation, the DNC etc. -- they'd want to keep different business separate.

And this isn't about "co-mingling funds" or any accounting difficulty -- it's about e-mails.

Donald Trump seems to think that Clinton is somehow criminally culpable. I think this is a long-shot propaganda stab, hoping the public will forget it if he's wrong, but giving him much greater advantage in the election if he's right. In that sense, it is an irresponsible thing to say, or only responsible from viewpoint of spreading more poison to his lemmings.

 

[Jhhnn]

It's sad how many Clinton nuthuggers there are. I've stated that all the Republicans are shit and I'd vote for Sanders before any of those right wing nutters, but Hillary is no better than any of the Republicans. She's a crooked piece of shit who cares about Hillary. But as I've also said many times, Republicans and Democrats are almost exactly the same. It's funny that they think they're different.

It's sad that the bitter tedium of "They're just as Bad!" never ends.

It's as stupid as the myth of the Liberal Media.

Hillary's right- when all the twitterpatted gossip ends, Repubs will need to address the record & the issues. When they do, it's all hat, no cattle, so the only way to win is with slime.

 

[Pens1566]

Moron. THIS IS WHAT I DO. I was in the Air Force working in a SCIF for years. I have had a TS/SCI clearance for a long time. I worked for the DoD for several companies including BAE, and Lockheed. I recently just got out that area and working in the private sector for the first time in a long time and not doing contractor work. I ran the security area for some of my jobs. Don't talk to me like I don't know this shit and you do. Because by your posts it is obvious you don't and can't even be bothered to read the stuff I LIVED AND WORKED BY DAILY for years.

I already stated in a previous post in this thread that this stuff has been my job dumbass.

How cute. You were an SSO. A temp/part time job that mostly entails ensuring everyone on site has filled out their annual briefing paperwork.

I guess I just imagined the SIPR-NIPR system that I deal with every day that you insist doesn't exist. And it must have been a previous life where I created the CDS solution you didn't even understand when I referred to it. Or the months spent cleaning up spillages caused by ignorant "cleared" folks like yourself where as a lowly contractor I was telling the govt. IA folks what needed to be done and when. Which was in fact made worse by the SSO ... was that you? I'd give you more "imagined" rebuttal, but spillage detail is itself classified at least to the confidential level. Which I'm sure you were aware of ...

Owned indeed.

 

[BoberFett]

It's sad that the bitter tedium of "They're just as Bad!" never ends.

It's as stupid as the myth of the Liberal Media.

Hillary's right- when all the twitterpatted gossip ends, Repubs will need to address the record & the issues. When they do, it's all hat, no cattle, so the only way to win is with slime.

werepossum: sometimes it's not just picking up a turd, it's turds of a feather flocking together.

 

[michal1980]

It's sad that the bitter tedium of "They're just as Bad!" never ends.

It's as stupid as the myth of the Liberal Media.

Hillary's right- when all the twitterpatted gossip ends, Repubs will need to address the record & the issues. When they do, it's all hat, no cattle, so the only way to win is with slime.

and what record does Hillary have?

Resetting relations with Ruissa?

 

[HumblePie]

Peachy. So how does something that landed in your inbox become classified information? If it's obviously not classified in a categorical way when you get it?

Can the SoS make that call over their own inbox? Or make no call at all, given that they won't be disseminating it other than through approved channels?

What's being lost in all this is any notion of sense or of linear thinking, apparently a common problem among security types. Witness the TSA. Witness the derision used towards the term "military intelligence".

Information is obviously different but that doesn't mean you comprehend the difference between your place in the scheme of it & that of the SoS, any SoS.

Security protocols & information classification systems are designed to stratify & limit information access for people like us, not for the SoS. Within the State Dept, their access & authority is at the pinnacle of it.

It's also important to understand how pointless it is to try to classify anything transmitted by ordinary email after the fact, at least for the purposes of national security.

If we assume it's fundamentally insecure then such actions are useful only in shaping public perception. If we take some bit of email information off the server or the computer & wrap it in a security blanket, we ignore where it's been and how it got there, not to mention that it still exists wherever the originator created it & sent it, as do any replies.

The whole notion that such a thing can be truly secured is a complete flimflam.

OTOH, if we assume that access hasn't been hacked it's pointless to go on about how it's some sort of great national security breach because it can't be by definition.

Can't have it both ways.

Read up on derived classification. I already talked about it. meta data about classified or talking about classified info is automatically classified.

 

[Jhhnn]

Read up on derived classification. I already talked about it. meta data about classified or talking about classified info is automatically classified.

Spare me the circular reasoning. Explain the process whereby that information becomes classified. Who does what, with what & to whom. Explain how any of it relates to the SoS.

 

[HumblePie]

How cute. You were an SSO. A temp/part time job that mostly entails ensuring everyone on site has filled out their annual briefing paperwork.

I guess I just imagined the SIPR-NIPR system that I deal with every day that you insist doesn't exist. And it must have been a previous life where I created the CDS solution you didn't even understand when I referred to it. Or the months spent cleaning up spillages caused by ignorant "cleared" folks like yourself where as a lowly contractor I was telling the govt. IA folks what needed to be done and when. Which was in fact made worse by the SSO ... was that you? I'd give you more "imagined" rebuttal, but spillage detail is itself classified at least to the confidential level. Which I'm sure you were aware of ...

Owned indeed.

Yep, did SSO duty for a bit. It's more than just making sure everyone has training dillhole.

And great, the cross domain solution for using a single machine for both siprnet and niprnet in limited form wasn't established until 2006 AFTER I had been doing this shit over a decade and left shortly there after in 2010.

http://www.disa.mil/Network-Service...ISN-Service-Appendices/Cross-Domain-Solutions

Would have been nicer of you to have used the actual link to the info and not a horrible google search link that provided nothing.


Geewiz... Again it is not relevant to this argument and is a strawman defense as this was a private server only in private control as part of this discussion. Mainly because that solution is meant to prevent leaks that might occur because of using such a solution to allow a single machine to access both networks in a secure facility. Not a home basement. Even then, it's a RARE occurrence. Most shops I still know about have separate nipr and sipr machines as it is vastly more secure.

http://gcn.com/articles/2010/04/20/commentary-on-cross-domain-solutions.aspx

Even recently it is barely used in most places, and most DoD contracting companies don't bother with it because of security complications that can arise from it. Well don't that just beat all?

 

[HumblePie]

Spare me the circular reasoning. Explain the process whereby that information becomes classified. Who does what, with what & to whom. Explain how any of it relates to the SoS.

There is no circular reasoning here. Talking about information that is already classified is automatically classified at the highest classification level of that classified info. That is what derivative classification is.

Which is why Hillary is "technically" correct when she stated her server never received information that had classification markings. That doesn't squat when it comes to derived classification info.

 

[werepossum]

werepossum: sometimes it's not just picking up a turd, it's turds of a feather flocking together.

Oh, but if you don't pick it up then you miss all the fun of flinging it.

There is no circular reasoning here. Talking about information that is already classified is automatically classified at the highest classification level of that classified info. That is what derivative classification is.

Well, there's classified and there's classified. The Hildabeast is much more concerned with Republicans getting access than with other nations getting access. Iran/China/Russia might use such information against America, but Republicans would definitely use it against her. Matter of priorities.

 

[bradly1101]

It can't be good that she is blaming reporters for asking the wrong question. When Trump gets the wrong question he sways the room to his defense.

Her, most of her rival's and the rest of the republican front runner's styles are stiff in comparison to The Don's. He combines his swagger with what people want to hear, no matter how unreasonable.

There's one exception; Mr. Sanders is very comfortable and confident about that which he speaks. He has precise answers for every question, which isn't so hard to do when you apply logic.

Trump speaks to our guts, Sanders speaks to our brains, which will win? Mr. Colbert, where are you when we need you? (I guess I'm writing off Hillary)

 

[Jhhnn]

There is no circular reasoning here. Talking about information that is already classified is automatically classified at the highest classification level of that classified info. That is what derivative classification is.

Yes, and I understand how nit-picky stupid that really is in this context. You don't. I mean, sure, it's the kind of protocol that secured facility personnel use wrt transferring information but it does not address email information merely received in any way.

Which is why Hillary is "technically" correct when she stated her server never received information that had classification markings. That doesn't squat when it comes to derived classification info.

You're dodging, of course, even as you admit she was correct.

The reason for that is because you want to avoid issues of legitimate authority vested in the SoS. If the SoS can't make the call about the temporary classification of information in their inbox, who can? How would making it classified prior to public release of the archive change their prerogatives at the time in the slightest?