Clinton to hand over email server to FBI

[LightPattern]

That some pretty damn powerful conspiracy right there. I mean sneaking a mail server into Clinton's home... how the fuck could anyone do that? That is straight out of a Tom Clancy book!

A similar defense to the good old Rose Law Firm case. Important context that is very plain to see.

Frontline

The FBI conducted fingerprint analysis of the records. Of significance, the prints of Vince Foster and Hillary Clinton were found.
The Senate Whitewater Committee concluded that Hillary Clinton was the person most likely to have put the billing records in her own book room, or know how they got there.
For her part, Hillary Clinton has said that she has no idea how the billing records came to be in her room.

 

[ivwshane]

Speaking of not bothering to read! Did you bother reading the post I was responding to and the concern that was raised?

Had you bothered to do that you would have realized that your quoted passage is irrelevant to the discussion.

You just don't bother to read through your own links:

Even Clinton's campaign team is finding it difficult to link to credible sources that don't call her suspicious motives & methods into question:

Clinton's shaky email defenses

 

[ivwshane]

That some pretty damn powerful conspiracy right there. I mean sneaking a mail server into Clinton's home... how the fuck could anyone do that? That is straight out of a Tom Clancy book!

It looks like you are sticking to your dumb fuck routine!

 

[cabri]

The mail server (pre 2013) was not in Clinton's home (and not protected by Secret Service). It was located in NYC in a commercial building.
Clinton address was only for the registrant of the domain.

 

[Pens1566]

They have final approval, but it still goes through a process if you would read the links. SoS is part of the review process, and has final approval, but isn't the sole authority or can willy nilly make things either classified or unclassified by themselves.

And you'd be correct in general or if you're specifically referring the normal, everyday classification that gets applied by Suzy Q. Contractor that works for LM/Boeing/etc. and is classifying something based on their DD-254. There is a distinct difference when talking about anyone that has original classification authority which is what the president has or anyone he has granted that ability to.

http://uchicagolaw.typepad.com/faculty/2006/04/presidential_de.html

This is an academic discussion though, because no one is really suggesting that Clinton declassified anything on the spot. She is potentially a receiver of classified info, and doesn't have any legal issues until such time as the info is suggested to be classified. Which is what is happening right now.

You don't know how classification works still despite the links to them.

Let me go through this again. Her computer is on the public internet. Classified info is only on the SIPRNET which has zero connections to the public internet. There is no way to take direct classified info stored on the SIPRNET and move it to the public internet without an audit trail following the actions a mile long. SIPRNET computers are inside of SCIFs that have a long of security built in around them. Basically you can't bring any pretty much anything electronic into them without prior approval that is a PITA to do.

So there would be no direct classified info on her systems that came from classified systems. No one is claiming that. What people are stating is that classified info was talked about in emails that went through her server. It's not the actual classified info, but the meta info surrounding the classified info. None of that meta info is going to be labeled classified. Duh! Every person that has to work with classified info should know this as it is required training that is done constantly to reinforce that knowledge.

The problem is that by default meta info about classified info IS STILL CLASSIFIED! It takes a review board to determine if the meta info that surrounded a discussion about a classified topic is not classified. She doesn't have the authority by herself to deem that even as the SoS.

Uh, SIPR isn't the only place where classified info resides and it is absolutely connected to the internet proper in some cases.

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=cross+domain+solution

 

[Virge_]

https://youtu.be/T2OJwsit0WY

This is insane.

1) "Anything we thought could be work related." "I was the official. I made those decisions." The equivalent of a murder victim deciding what gets to be submitted as evidence for both sides. What utter bullshit.
2) When asked if she wiped it, she said "I have no idea!" literally right after saying she was the fucking official who was supposed to determine what was on it and that she was the fucking official who made the call that it did not contain classified information. 1+1 does not equal fucking -5, she had to know what was on there to make the call that it it was work related or not!
3) 1:05 in when asked directly why she just said something so hypocritical her facade breaks and she just laughs because she's out of bullshit.
4) 1:29: "That's for the people investigating it to try to figure out". This is about as close to saying "I wiped it, they can fucking try to get my data". An innocent, normal, non-deceptive person would not have added the word "try" to this sentence.
5: 1:43: "Fuck you" smile.

Holy shit the fucking audacity of this woman! Keep on hammering in the nails on your own coffin, Hillary. The rest of us appreciate watching you self-immolate.

 

[Jhhnn]

http://nypost.com/2015/08/19/hillary-loses-her-cool-when-hounded-about-email-servers/

This is insane.

1) "Anything we thought could be work related." "I was the official. I made those decisions." The equivalent of a murder victim deciding what gets to be submitted as evidence for both sides. What utter bullshit.
2) When asked if she wiped it, she said "I have no idea!" literally right after saying she was the fucking official who was supposed to determine what was on it and that she was the fucking official who made the call that it did not contain classified information. 1+1 does not equal fucking -5, she had to know what was on there to make the call that it it was work related or not!
3) 1:05 in when asked directly why she just said something so hypocritical her facade breaks and she just laughs because she's out of bullshit.
4) 1:29: "That's for the people investigating it to try to figure out". This is about as close to saying "I wiped it, they can fucking try to get my data". An innocent, normal, non-deceptive person would not have added the word "try" to this sentence.
5: 1:43: "Fuck you" smile.

Holy shit the fucking audacity of this woman! Keep on hammering in the nails on your own coffin, Hillary. The rest of us appreciate watching you self-immolate.

The NY Post is excellent propaganda, no doubt. Tell us how we can determine the veracity of this tidbit-

According to reports, the FBI, which has possession of Clinton’s server, believes there was an attempt to wipe it clean of data, but missing messages can be *recovered.

You know- reports they conjured out of thin air.

 

[PokerGuy]

Love this part:

I regret this has become such a cause celebre.

Another great indicator of the arrogance and hubris. There is still no recognition that what she did was inaprorpiate or just not smart (whether legal or not). Her regret isn't that potentially sensitive information might have been compromised because it was sitting on a server in a bathroom in a loft run by a mom and pop place with no security at all. Nope, that's no big deal. Her regret is that it's an inconvenience for her majesty now.

Seriously, this is the person idiots want leading the country???

 

[Ichinisan]

The NY Post is excellent propaganda, no doubt. Tell us how we can determine the veracity of this tidbit-



You know- reports they conjured out of thin air.

Oh come on. You're saying it wasn't wiped?

Why didn't she just outright deny it?

 

[cabri]

Love this part:

Another great indicator of the arrogance and hubris. There is still no recognition that what she did was inaprorpiate or just not smart (whether legal or not). Her regret isn't that potentially sensitive information might have been compromised because it was sitting on a server in a bathroom in a loft run by a mom and pop place with no security at all. Nope, that's no big deal. Her regret is that it's an inconvenience for her majesty now.

Seriously, this is the person idiots want leading the country???

Sheep following the sheep.

Some accuse the Republicans of such; yet fail to look in the mirror.

Her statements are public record. those that want to play semantics will do so.

 

[Blackjack200]

Love this part:

Another great indicator of the arrogance and hubris. There is still no recognition that what she did was inaprorpiate or just not smart (whether legal or not). Her regret isn't that potentially sensitive information might have been compromised because it was sitting on a server in a bathroom in a loft run by a mom and pop place with no security at all. Nope, that's no big deal. Her regret is that it's an inconvenience for her majesty now.

Seriously, this is the person idiots want leading the country???

Didn't know you supported her too :thumbsup:

 

[Virge_]

The NY Post is excellent propaganda, no doubt. Tell us how we can determine the veracity of this tidbit-



You know- reports they conjured out of thin air.

My link was for the video, I should have linked directly to the youtube video itself (this has now been corrected). I did not read, nor do I care to waste my mental energy on, the actual article.

Nice try, however. Pathetic as it was. You didn't even bother to note that every single thing I typed was related to the video and not the article.

It's hilarious you ignored all of the outrage entirely and decided to reply in a completely non-sensical and unrelated way. Your brain works funny.

 

[C1]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?featu...m/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=LK1A0od12CY

 

[PokerGuy]

Didn't know you supported her too :thumbsup:

Reading comprehension fail. Congratulations on achieving par for your course

 

[HumblePie]

And you'd be correct in general or if you're specifically referring the normal, everyday classification that gets applied by Suzy Q. Contractor that works for LM/Boeing/etc. and is classifying something based on their DD-254. There is a distinct difference when talking about anyone that has original classification authority which is what the president has or anyone he has granted that ability to.

http://uchicagolaw.typepad.com/faculty/2006/04/presidential_de.html

This is an academic discussion though, because no one is really suggesting that Clinton declassified anything on the spot. She is potentially a receiver of classified info, and doesn't have any legal issues until such time as the info is suggested to be classified. Which is what is happening right now.



Uh, SIPR isn't the only place where classified info resides and it is absolutely connected to the internet proper in some cases.

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=cross+domain+solution

OCA's also have the authority to temporarily deem something classified, but not unclassified, to preserve information from falling into the wrong hands that may not have proper classification set to them. There is a distinct difference of power there which. The President is a different entity entirely than the SoS when it comes classification and declassification powers and is not part of this discussion.

Classified information systems are NOT on any public domain, nor are they cross referenced through domains. Any potential electronic device or media that may even be near classified info has to be scrutinized and made sure that there is zero way classified information in electronic form cannot be accessed publicly. If classified info can be access publicly, even through cross domains, then it would never be safe.

In some working places they may have a NIPRNET machine in the SCIF next to the SIPRNET machines, but never was media allowed to be crossed between them.

 

[Pens1566]

OCA's also have the authority to temporarily deem something classified, but not unclassified, to preserve information from falling into the wrong hands that may not have proper classification set to them. There is a distinct difference of power there which. The President is a different entity entirely than the SoS when it comes classification and declassification powers and is not part of this discussion.

Classified information systems are NOT on any public domain, nor are they cross referenced through domains. Any potential electronic device or media that may even be near classified info has to be scrutinized and made sure that there is zero way classified information in electronic form cannot be accessed publicly. If classified info can be access publicly, even through cross domains, then it would never be safe.

In some working places they may have a NIPRNET machine in the SCIF next to the SIPRNET machines, but never was media allowed to be crossed between them.

Yeah, based on this I think we're done here.

 

[HumblePie]

Yeah, based on this I think we're done here.

Because you don't understand classified security the way you think you do?

I already linked to how ALL classified information is to be handled. There are only two forms of stored classified info. Electronic and physical. There are laws and regulations about how each are handled and dealt with. In all cases, classified and even sensitive data, regardless of the form taken, is to be treated in a way that it can't be accessed publicly. Otherwise that kind of defeats the purpose of classifying that information.

You really should read the current Executive Order about the current classification and declassification law.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/executive-order-classified-national-security-information

Hillary just can't willy nilly state info is declassified at all unlike the President. Mainly because she doesn't have executive order making powers and he does. The President's executive order power is what makes the classification and declassification guidelines. Which is why the President is a unique entity in terms of power and your argument that the President can just unilaterally declassify anything doesn't matter in this current debate as it is a strawman argument. It does not apply to Hillary the same.

But to help you in not having to read the link above.. when it comes to declassification as per the link:

(i) When making decisions under sections 3.3, 3.4, and 3.5 of this order, agencies shall consider the final decisions of the Panel.

There is a Panel of which the President, or original classifier of the classified data, or the director of national intelligence is upon must decide if something no longer meets classification requirements before declassifying anything.

 

[OutHouse]

Please. None of it was labeled as classified when it went in. Therefore it was not classified if she deemed it to be so. Any SoS has that discretion.

Or should we have inspector general muckety mucks clear SoS email before it's sent? Paw through their inbox?

Such notions are absurd.

how the hell do you know? have you ever seen or touched or even been responsible for classified documents? have you ever been certified to handle classified? you just spout stupid shit.

 

[Pens1566]

Because you don't understand classified security the way you think you do?

No, because you base your knowledge on reading where others actually "do". Enjoy your day.

 

[bshole]

https://youtu.be/T2OJwsit0WY
Holy shit the fucking audacity of this woman! Keep on hammering in the nails on your own coffin, Hillary. The rest of us appreciate watching you self-immolate.

I think you are vastly under-crediting the efforts of a virulent Republican witch hunt about Benghazi which has lasted years. They simply would not give up and their venom and bile is now bearing fruit. Jesus I wish the Dems would have done this shit to the Bush adminstration.

 

[Blackjack200]

I think you are vastly under-crediting the efforts of a virulent Republican witch hunt about Benghazi which has lasted years. They simply would not give up and their venom and bile is now bearing fruit. Jesus I wish the Dems would have done this shit to the Bush adminstration.

I don't really believe in this kind of politics, and I ultimately don't think that any of this will matter.

Seriously, do you give a fuck if Hillary Clinton used her own email server? I don't, and I doubt most Democratic voters will.

The hyperbole in this thread is good evidence for how desperate they are. Manufacturing evidence to start a war in the Middle East rolls of their fucking backs like water off a duck's feathers. But OMG PRIVATE EMAIL SERVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11111OneONe.

 

[HumblePie]

No, because you base your knowledge on reading where others actually "do". Enjoy your day.

Moron. THIS IS WHAT I DO. I was in the Air Force working in a SCIF for years. I have had a TS/SCI clearance for a long time. I worked for the DoD for several companies including BAE, and Lockheed. I recently just got out that area and working in the private sector for the first time in a long time and not doing contractor work. I ran the security area for some of my jobs. Don't talk to me like I don't know this shit and you do. Because by your posts it is obvious you don't and can't even be bothered to read the stuff I LIVED AND WORKED BY DAILY for years.

I already stated in a previous post in this thread that this stuff has been my job dumbass.

 

[cabri]

I don't really believe in this kind of politics, and I ultimately don't think that any of this will matter.

Seriously, do you give a fuck if Hillary Clinton used her own email server? I don't, and I doubt most Democratic voters will.

The hyperbole in this thread is good evidence for how desperate they are. Manufacturing evidence to start a war in the Middle East rolls of their fucking backs like water off a duck's feathers. But OMG PRIVATE EMAIL SERVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11111OneONe.

It is not the private server that is the issue.

It is how it was handled and the denials/spins once the information was revealed that it existed.

She refused to come clean in the beginning - if so, then you could have justifiably complained that it was politics as usual.

Now, the issue has become national security and credibility.
People have gotten burned for less than what is presently known on what she did. but what more will come out and will anything be done by Obama's team about it?

 

[HTFOff]

I think you are vastly under-crediting the efforts of a virulent Republican witch hunt about Benghazi which has lasted years. They simply would not give up and their venom and bile is now bearing fruit. Jesus I wish the Dems would have done this shit to the Bush adminstration.

Just another example of Big Witch-Hunt run amok. :awe:

 

[PokerGuy]

Seriously, do you give a f*ck if Hillary Clinton used her own email server? I don't, and I doubt most Democratic voters will.

It matters. Not just because she used her own servers -- others have done that as well. It matters because it underscores a concern voters have with her already. Many (most?) think she is a capable leader, but they don't trust her. This further validates the lack of trust, she keeps lying about stuff and hiding stuff, you can't trust her. Many of the hardcore idiots...errr... democrats will obviously still vote for her, just like many on the right will vote for whatever righty is the candidate no matter what. What matters is what the 60% of voters that are not hardcore one way or the other think.

The jury is still out on that one. Either she's getting (and following) bad advice, or it's her own arrogance and hubris, but she's making it much worse than it needs to be.