Clinton to hand over email server to FBI

[werepossum]

Never go full Michal, my friend. According to her hosting company, the server was wiped in June, 2013, when the Clinton's upgraded to a new server. I don't know about your company, but as best I can remember, that is standard practice in every sizable company I've worked with. Some even go so far as to require drives be physically destroyed, though I always thought that was over the top.

And you still dodge the fact that it's extremely damn convenient to tell your staff, "Hey, I already have an email account with my Blackberry. Let's use it!" I suppose you'll just double down on your conspiracy nonsense ... again.

Of course. She just happened to have an email account on a server in her basement - doesn't everyone? Probably was a gift from a friend. Maybe it was her dear departed mother's server and it had sentimental value. What could be more convenient?

 

[Jhhnn]

Please admit that if it's true, you won't give a shit anyway.

Werepossum couldn't provide a reputable source for that bullshit tidbit if his life depended on it. Which isn't to say it might not be true but rather that he's being a good propagandist, leading others to jump to conclusions that have yet to be established.

Edit- I admit to being mistaken wrt the above. Mea Culpa.

 

[Bowfinger]

If it was wiped, how would she have all the emails supposedly turned over to state. And the 30000 personal emails that were screened as "not relevant"

Everything was pulled from backup media to be screened by her staff when forced 2 years later to deliver

Or if copied to the new server drives, then what difference does the switch over mean. Happened after she left State?
The classified data was still placed on a system under her control.

If anything else that is worse, the company that installed the new system is probably not cleared for classified info access at the level of data on the system.

And there was classified info on the system

Based on the different bits and pieces published, I understand she turned over her State emails as she was leaving office. She still had the "old" server then. In June, 2013, the Clintons upgraded to a new server and Platte River Networks removed and wiped the old one. I have no way of knowing what emails were and were not transferred to the new server when they upgraded. When the DoJ requested her email server, she provided that "old" server, i.e., the one that was used while she was Secretary of State (and that was wiped in 2013).

Again, that's my understanding.

 

[Bowfinger]

Of course. She just happened to have an email account on a server in her basement - doesn't everyone? Probably was a gift from a friend. Maybe it was her dear departed mother's server and it had sentimental value. What could be more convenient?

The server was set up for her husband, the former President of the United States, you duplicitous hack. Are you really so freaking arrogant (or clueless) that you think your personal email preferences and needs are in any way comparable to his? Get over yourself.

 

[Jhhnn]

Based on the different bits and pieces published, I understand she turned over her State emails as she was leaving office. She still had the "old" server then. In June, 2013, the Clintons upgraded to a new server and Platte River Networks removed and wiped the old one. I have no way of knowing what emails were and were not transferred to the new server when they upgraded. When the DoJ requested her email server, she provided that "old" server, i.e., the one that was used while she was Secretary of State (and that was wiped in 2013).

Again, that's my understanding.

I find the whole thing highly amusing. Repubs hate getting beat at their own game & I figure Hillary set out to fuck 'em from the start, maintain their fave plausible deniability the whole time. She waltzed 'em right into the middle of nowhere.

Sleazy trick? She learned it from them & played it well.

 

[werepossum]

Werepossum couldn't provide a reputable source for that bullshit tidbit if his life depended on it. Which isn't to say it might not be true but rather that he's being a good propagandist, leading others to jump to conclusions that have yet to be established.

Edit- I admit to being mistaken wrt the above. Mea Culpa.

lol +1 We've all been there, all you can do is grin and admit it.

The server was set up for her husband, the former President of the United States, you duplicitous hack. Are you really so freaking arrogant (or clueless) that you think your personal email preferences and needs are in any way comparable to his? Get over yourself.

Of course, and ol' Bill had to set up his own server because he was elected to run some backward country we've probably never even heard of.

 

[Zorkorist]

Pretty ballsy to turn in a blank email server, today.

-John

 

[cabri]

And she convienently kept 30000 pages of paper of mails to turn over to State for review.

This is not what State turned over to Congress (feet still being dragged on that), but what was given to State by Clinton/staff after the shit hit the fan.

 

[cabri]

Pretty ballsy to turn in a blank email server, today.

-John

Similar to IRS saying with a straight face to Congress, that they have no backups of emails.

Clinton has observed the level of BS related to emails that is currently acceptable and adjusta accordingly.

 

[Zorkorist]

Scary?

-John

 

[Bowfinger]

Of course, and ol' Bill had to set up his own server because he was elected to run some backward country we've probably never even heard of.

You can dance those goal posts around as much as you want. It doesn't change the fact you were flat wrong in continually insisting this wasn't convenient for Hillary Clinton. Inappropriate, I agree, but quite convenient.

 

[Greenman]

You can dance those goal posts around as much as you want. It doesn't change the fact you were flat wrong in continually insisting this wasn't convenient for Hillary Clinton. Inappropriate, I agree, but quite convenient.

Your conjecture has no more validity than any other.
Two possibility's are presented, it was a convenience issue, or it was to keep state department eye's off of what she was doing. The easy answer is to let the FBI look into the matter.

 

[Brian Stirling]

She's being defended because she didn't do anything illegal.

Apparently that concept is too complex for some people to understand.

Apparently some folks don't get that beyond the question of criminality there's the issue of doing what's in the best interests of the people. Hillary may or may not face any criminal charges but that's not even what I'm getting at. If protecting classified information is important, and I'd say it is, then doing something that jeopardizes this is unwise. If you can't prevent others from sending you classified information then having a private server is a recipe for security breaches.

Now, it does appear they have found classified stuff on the server so the claim she didn't no longer works -- now does it?


Brian

 

[Brian Stirling]

So, uh

If YOU setup a server outside the security control of the government and someone send you classified info the fault is YOURS! This is a foreseeable thing!


Brian

 

[Brian Stirling]

Her server has not been shown to be insecure. You're jumping to conclusions.

It's not her decision now is it? Are we to take her word on the security of classified information? "Trust me, it's secure!" When you work for the federal government YOU don't get to decide what the security methods are used -- you use the ones the experts provide because they're secure.

Of course almost nothing is 100% secure and the recent and ongoing breaches by China and now Russia make that clear. But, is Hillary's team better than what our government provides? If so perhaps we should do away with all our secure comm links and just use Hillary's stuff.

The defense of this would be laughable were it not for the grave risk that her server may have been hacked.


Brian


Brian

 

[Brian Stirling]

Except that's not what we're talking about. We're talking about information that has been re-classified after the fact- the argument being that it "should have been classified" but wasn't at the time.

That argument is empty.

100% horseshit!!!

Unless she has the ability to PREVENT classified emails being sent to her she had to know that her receipt of classified information was foreseeable. Even if the data was unclassified when initially received it is pretty common for some unclassified data to become classified. That some data on her server would become classified was foreseeable and she had to know that!


Brian

 

[piasabird]

She only deleted about half the documents on the server. Of course before the server was given to the FBI it was wiped clean. Such a nice helpful democrat destroying all the evidence. Willfull destruction of evidence. Had to destroy all those Benghazi e-mails and all the privat conversations about state department work with her liberal fund raisers. Nothing illegal here folks. If she was a republican she would be in jail. She is a bigger security risk than Snowden ever was.

 

[Brian Stirling]

I've handled a lot of classified data. I'm not aware of any regulation or law that says an individual or organization that possesses data that has been retroactively reclassified has an affirmative duty to find that data and destroy or return it. (that would seem to be an impossible standard to employ)

EDIT: This refers to data that they did not know had been reclassified.

Oh please, the rules of the game, be it military information or higher levels information like from the state department is that you do not talk about it publicly even if the info isn't classified. Probably more things are learned from putting together many pieces of unsecured data than getting access to data that is classified. There is the phrase, "Loose lips sink ships" and that applies not only to classified information but any information that might be put together with other data to illuminate plans.

Hillary's use of a private server expossed any and all that sent her information AND IT MAKES LITTLE DIFFERENCE IF IT WASN'T CLASSIFIED AT THE TIME!


Brian

 

[Brian Stirling]

This argument is complete nonsense if she followed the government-mandated e-mail policy to begin with.

You can make up as many excuses as you'd like, the reality is you're oblivious if you cannot make the connection that she's still at fault.

No, if she had no classified information or if the data that became classified wasn't classified while her server was online she can't be held liable for criminal charges.

That is not to say her use of the private server was wise given these two facts:

1. It was foreseeable that data sent to her server would either be classified or become classified.

2. Her server did not meet the requirements of security that the government requires.

So, while she may not be held criminally liable she still acted with depraved indifference to the rules of information security.


Brian

 

[fskimospy]

Oh please, the rules of the game, be it military information or higher levels information like from the state department is that you do not talk about it publicly even if the info isn't classified. Probably more things are learned from putting together many pieces of unsecured data than getting access to data that is classified. There is the phrase, "Loose lips sink ships" and that applies not only to classified information but any information that might be put together with other data to illuminate plans.

Hillary's use of a private server expossed any and all that sent her information AND IT MAKES LITTLE DIFFERENCE IF IT WASN'T CLASSIFIED AT THE TIME!


Brian

Don't talk about what publicly? Rules of what game? I worked in a top secret space for about five years and I don't remember any rule like what you're talking about.

 

[boomerang]

Pretty ballsy to turn in a blank email server, today.

-John

Typical Clinton maneuvering. The quote I read from the person at Platte River Networks was that data had been transferred to a new server and that this one was "blank". So, her attorney can argue that she complied with the request and submitted the server - the one that was in use at the time period in question.

Just for the sake of interest, five months earlier the House Subcommittee had asked for it. It took the FBI to seize it. But we will never know if this is in fact the server in question. I've built "servers" for here at home and at my wife's office. Both looked like everyday computers. Platte River Networks could have handed the FBI any old computer they had lying around and based upon the dealings they've been involved in, and the lawsuits against them, it sounds like it would be par for the course. They are the perfect IT company for the Clinton's because they sound like they're also a bunch of crooks.

Birds of a feather.

 

[Newell Steamer]

When she is arrested, do you think she will share s cell with Dubya?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bush_White_House_email_controversy

 

[Bowfinger]

When she is arrested, do you think she will share s cell with Dubya?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bush_White_House_email_controversy

Don't forget Rice and Powell. They also used personal email while at State.

The fundamental issue here that the Obama Clinton bashers ignore is that classified information is not supposed to leave DoS/DoD secure networks. It isn't allowed in insecure email, regardless of whether Clinton used personal email or the State Department email system. Neither system is appropriate for classified information. That onus is on the sender, not the receivers.

Of course this begs the question as to whether the discussion at issue was truly classified at all, especially at the time it happened. In spite of the usual bellicose assertions from the RNC propagandists, that has yet to be determined. It's just supposition and innuendo. Let the DoJ do their investigation, determine whether any laws were broken, and then prosecute if and as appropriate. Unfortunately, waiting doesn't fit the RNC agenda. They need a duhversion -- now -- from the train wreck within their party.

 

[Bowfinger]

If YOU setup a server outside the security control of the government and someone send you classified info the fault is YOURS! This is a foreseeable thing!

Brian

No, if someone sends you classified information, the fault is theirs. The government has a set of secure networks, not connected to the Internet, that are the only acceptable homes for classified information (electronic, of course). The State Department email system is on a non-classified network that is connected to the Internet. Classified information is not permitted in insecure email, whether it is the DoS email system or something external. IF the staffers in this story used email to discuss classified information, they were at fault.

 

[Angry Irishman]

My God the grasping here is ridiculous.....