Clinton to hand over email server to FBI

[Blackjack200]

He said frazzled. Can men who are under investigation not look frazzled? Of course, he must mean ugly, because anyone who doesn't support Hillary unequivocally must be a misogynist.

And you must have missed all the misogynist attacks against any female politicians over the years who are in the "wrong" party. Bachmann gets called ugly all the time. And don't even try to claim it's because she's "ugly inside" or whatever garbage you try to come up with. Democrats go after female Republicans all the time with sexist ad hominems.

Who said anything about ugly? You're projecting again.

But her eyes do kind of look crazy/evil to me. It would be a perfect Newsweek cover photo (ala Michelle Bachmann) wouldn't you say?

Oh, I get it. Like when Trump talked about Megyn Kelly bleeding out of her "wherever" and he actually meant her nose. That happens to me too, I just can't remember the word for "nose".

Look, I don't care, obviously it won't change who I vote for, and it won't change how a lot of other people vote. I'm just saying, it's might not be a very good road to go down.

 

[simpletron]

So when the previous secrataries of state used personal emails as well as governors like rove, jeb and jindal did the same they should have all been investigated?

I get the general outrage about government incompetence and a failure to keep up with security and technology, I just don't think clinton should be the scape goat.

The reason this is a false equal equivalency is because for the governors they don't fall under the records management by FEDERAL agencies (44 USC Chapter 31) which states

The head of each Federal agency shall make and preserve records containing adequate and proper documentation of the organization, functions, policies, decisions, procedures, and essential transactions of the agency and designed to furnish the information necessary to protect the legal and financial rights of the Government and of persons directly affected by the agency’s activities

previous secretaries of state get a pass because ambiguity in the law before November 2, 2009 when the National Archives and Records Administration (NARA)'s regulations took effect. One of which states the following:

S1236.22 (b) Agencies that allow employees to send and receive official electronic mail messages using a system not operated by the agency must ensure that Federal records sent or received on such systems are preserved in the appropriate agency record keeping system.

Hillary Clinton has admitted that this didn't occur by turning over 55,000 printed pages of emails.

Do you know what the penalty is?

Whoever, having the custody of any such record, proceeding, map, book, document, paper, or other thing, willfully and unlawfully conceals, removes, mutilates, obliterates, falsifies, or destroys the same, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both; and shall forfeit his office and be disqualified from holding any office under the United States. As used in this subsection, the term “office” does not include the office held by any person as a retired officer of the Armed Forces of the United States.

 

[PokerGuy]

The reason this is a false equal equivalency is because for the governors they don't fall under the records management by FEDERAL agencies (44 USC Chapter 31) which states

previous secretaries of state get a pass because ambiguity in the law before November 2, 2009 when the National Archives and Records Administration (NARA)'s regulations took effect. One of which states the following:

Hillary Clinton has admitted that this didn't occur by turning over 55,000 printed pages of emails.

Do you know what the penalty is?

Wow, I was not aware of that last little provision in the penalty section, that the person who engages in the activity can no longer hold office under the United States -- which presumably includes the POTUS. Now I understand all the tap dancing, obfuscation, scrubbing of servers, hiding emails and so forth. It's a really high stakes game.

 

[BoberFett]

This just made me wonder what conservatives would be saying if a Republican candidate were subject to the same level of scrutiny that Clinton has been.

Let me guess though, the media is biased against conservatives but this isn't evidence the other way because Clinton deserves it.

Please present evidence showing that Republicans are NOT held to the same level of scrutiny.

 

[cabri]

But it can be argued that she did not have custody of the system. Just used it
A staffer or Bill actually had physical custody or responsibility.

Clean hands

 

[Bowfinger]

The Clinton's have been using their private email server since 93 so I'm not sure how you came to your conclusions.

http://www.businessinsider.com/hillary-clinton-email-server-intelligence-agencies-classified-2015-7

Good luck getting that through the bubble. I've pointed this out as well, but it doesn't fit their grand conspiracy theories so it's ignored. In order to deny its convenience for Hillary, they have to pretend she set up the server herself, that it was a tremendous effort whose only possible justification was thwarting their need to produce future smears.

That narrative crumbles once you accept that the whole "conspiracy" was as simple as Clinton saying, "Hey, I already have an email account with my Blackberry. Let's use it!" To paraphrase one of the conspiracy nuts, "Absolutely no one is so stupid as to deny that this was convenient for Clinton, unless one is a shameless partisan tool."

Still inappropriate, of course, but clearly quite convenient for Clinton.

 

[ivwshane]

Yep, it's not like Bush got that level of scrutiny right? Or Palin? Nope, no way, they got a complete pass. Oh, wait a second.......

Oh really? Please list the names of the investigation that have gone on for years.


Well duh, and water is wet, news @ 11. As soon as you can document how the vast majority of those in the mainstream media self identify as conservatives in support of the GOP and donate to conservative causes, then we can definitely have a discussion about pro-conservative bias in the media. As it stands though, it's the other way around so...........

Lol! Tired talking point is tired.

http://www.opensecrets.org/news/2010/08/news-corps-million-dollar-donation/

 

[ivwshane]

It's odd because you quoted it yet it's as if you didn't bother reading it. Or you appear to not understand what you read and how your statments and quotes totally disprove your argument.

The reason this is a false equal equivalency is because for the governors they don't fall under the records management by FEDERAL agencies (44 USC Chapter 31) which states

previous secretaries of state get a pass because ambiguity in the law before November 2, 2009 when the National Archives and Records Administration (NARA)'s regulations took effect. One of which states the following:

Hillary Clinton has admitted that this didn't occur by turning over 55,000 printed pages of emails.

Do you know what the penalty is?

 

[ivwshane]

Please present evidence showing that Republicans are NOT held to the same level of scrutiny.

Were you born after the bush presidency?

 

[Jhhnn]

Hillary Clinton has admitted that this didn't occur by turning over 55,000 printed pages of emails.

Not at all. The law does not require that preservation occur concurrently, only that it must occur. Thus the document release.

 

[werepossum]

There is a reason you are taught not to talk around classified information, or about things which may become classified.

If it is classified today, and it is still sitting on her server today, regardless of how it was marked when she got it, she is in violation of the laws. It is really pretty simple. And again it is very clear you have never handled classified data, so you are completely ignorant of the regulations.

I have seen similar situations in my real life and know how it is dealt with properly.

Like I said before, she very well could plead ignorance, and she may very well have been ignorant that something was classified after the fact. But as soon as you start putting official data in unofficial places you take on the responsibility for that data.

Her server had been professionally wiped, so there are no classified emails there now. I highly doubt it even has the same hard drives. We call it "Lernerized". Even a pro specializing in data disappearance can mess up, but not if those drives have been ground up and replaced.

According to Team Hildabeast, the sequence goes:
1. Emails are sent to and fro on official state business from Hillary's private server locked up in her basement. (Hopefully not in the same room as Bill's young women.)
2. Although these are obviously containing highly sensitive material - from five different US spy agencies as well as State - none of these are classified.
3. Hillary retires, goes through her emails, and gives the State Department all those she feels are pertinent.
4. Evil Republicans retroactively classify these to falsely accuse this wonderful woman, interfering with her retirement and no doubt her beatification ceremony.
5. The emails residing in her server and the copy in her lawyer's office are not classified, only the copies she turned over. Otherwise she'd be breaking the law and we all know she would never do that.
6. The emails on her server are wiped - but without breaking any laws regarding destruction of classified documents, 'cause she had crossed her fingers and touched her nose which overrides the politically driven classification.
7. Hillary deigns to turn over the sanitized server to the peons at the FBI.

The Clinton's have been using their private email server since 93 so I'm not sure how you came to your conclusions.

http://www.businessinsider.com/hillary-clinton-email-server-intelligence-agencies-classified-2015-7

Wow, talking about a bubble! The headline of the article you linked to show how Hillary is blameless is:

Intelligence officials: Hillary Clinton's private server contained information from 5 US spy agencies​

The first few paragraphs read:

Classified emails that were stored on the private email server of former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton contained information from five US intelligence agencies, McClatchy reports.

A congressional official with knowledge of the matter told McClatchy that intelligence officials who saw the five classified emails determined that they included information from five US spy agencies.

One classified email — now public and pertaining to the 2012 terrorist attack in Benghazi — reportedly contained information from the National Security Agency, the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA), and the National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency.

McClatchy added, citing the official, that the "other four classified emails contained information from the Office of the Director of National Intelligence [DNI] and the CIA."

Last week, government inspectors told the Justice Department in a letter that "secret government information may have been compromised in the unsecured system she used at her New York home during her tenure as secretary of state," according to The Associated Press.

The inspectors requested the department to look into the possible mishandling of classified information on the server from Clinton's tenure as secretary of state.​

All you took from it:

Clinton has said that the email system was established during Bill Clinton's presidential administration (1993-2001), and her team has stated that "her family’s electronic communications was taken seriously from the onset."​

Hint: It was convenient for Hillary to have complete control over her emails in 1993, and it remains convenient for Hillary to have complete control over her emails, BECAUSE IT ALLOWS HER TO PICK AND CHOOSE WHAT IS MADE AVAILABLE TO THE GOVERNMENT. Make a bad call? It literally never happened - because it's been wiped.

 

[werepossum]

Not at all. The law does not require that preservation occur concurrently, only that it must occur. Thus the document release.

I love to see you guys spin in such tiny little circles. Before she wasn't breaking the law because she would turn everything over at the appropriate time. Now that she has wiped her server, she wasn't breaking the law because there is no evidence. You guys suck her ass so hard I bet she has inverted nipples.

 

[werepossum]

Good luck getting that through the bubble. I've pointed this out as well, but it doesn't fit their grand conspiracy theories so it's ignored. In order to deny its convenience for Hillary, they have to pretend she set up the server herself, that it was a tremendous effort whose only possible justification was thwarting their need to produce future smears.

That narrative crumbles once you accept that the whole "conspiracy" was as simple as Clinton saying, "Hey, I already have an email account with my Blackberry. Let's use it!" To paraphrase one of the conspiracy nuts, "Absolutely no one is so stupid as to deny that this was convenient for Clinton, unless one is a shameless partisan tool."

Still inappropriate, of course, but clearly quite convenient for Clinton.

Hey, let's pay someone to sanitize the server before we turn it over. 'Cause it's convenient.

 

[Jhhnn]

Her server had been professionally wiped, so there are no classified emails there now.

Source?

 

[Jhhnn]

A congressional official with knowledge of the matter

Helluva source there, I'm tellin' ya.

 

[Jhhnn]

One classified email — now public and pertaining to the 2012 terrorist attack in Benghazi — reportedly contained information from the National Security Agency, the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA), and the National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency.

Cool. Where is it, so that we might have an example of what's classified in order that we might not see it?

Shee-it, Sherlock- the White House brand of asswipe is probably classified information.

 

[Bowfinger]

Hey, let's pay someone to sanitize the server before we turn it over. 'Cause it's convenient.

Which has zero to do with the point raised -- a point refuting your shameless partisan blathering -- but that's hardly a surprise.

I'm content to let the investigation run its course. If it plays out like all the other GOP faux-scandals, I'm confident you all will find some new faux-scandal to screech about. If this one is the lone exception that actually has legs, so be it. If Clinton broke the law, she should pay an appropriate price.

 

[werepossum]

Source?

Helluva source there, I'm tellin' ya.

Cool, you asked me a question and then immediately answered for me.

Cool. Where is it, so that we might have an example of what's classified in order that we might not see it?

Shee-it, Sherlock- the White House brand of asswipe is probably classified information.

Okay, now I am confused. Are you simultaneously arguing that there was no classified information on her server AND that the classified classified information on her server pertained only to her preferred toilet paper, or have you now abandoned claiming the former? I only want to know so that I'm not inadvertently trampled by a herd of sheeple carrying goal posts.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Helluva source there, I'm tellin' ya.

Please admit that if it's true, you won't give a shit anyway.

 

[cliftonite]

Which has zero to do with the point raised -- a point refuting your shameless partisan blathering -- but that's hardly a surprise.

I'm content to let the investigation run its course. If it plays out like all the other GOP faux-scandals, I'm confident you all will find some new faux-scandal to screech about. If this one is the lone exception that actually has legs, so be it. If Clinton broke the law, she should pay an appropriate price.

What do you expect from that piece of garbage.

 

[werepossum]

Which has zero to do with the point raised -- a point refuting your shameless partisan blathering -- but that's hardly a surprise.

I'm content to let the investigation run its course. If it plays out like all the other GOP faux-scandals, I'm confident you all will find some new faux-scandal to screech about. If this one is the lone exception that actually has legs, so be it. If Clinton broke the law, she should pay an appropriate price.

lol Of course it doesn't. She only used her own server because it was convenient, and her having it sanitized before turning it over has absolutely nothing to do with that. We all believe you. No, we're not laughing AT you, we just all thought of something funny.

 

[werepossum]

Wow, I was not aware of that last little provision in the penalty section, that the person who engages in the activity can no longer hold office under the United States -- which presumably includes the POTUS. Now I understand all the tap dancing, obfuscation, scrubbing of servers, hiding emails and so forth. It's a really high stakes game.

I'm still doubting this ever goes as far as any non-political consequences. D.C. pols ruthlessly beat each up for political gain over such things, but they don't actually prosecute each other for them. Look at all the screams for Bush's prosecution for war crimes. Even Sandy Pantload Berger, who wasn't even a politician but merely Bill's cat's paw, suffered no real consequences for admitting destroying the only copies of classified documents. He didn't even suffer permanent loss of his clearance. Now there can be political consequences of course, but Hillary's faithful will excuse absolutely anything so that isn't likely to happen either. Come the primaries, this will be old news.

 

[werepossum]

I'm just going to drop these here since Jhhnn didn't bother telling me where I got my information when he answered his own question for me.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2015/03/28/hillary-clinton-emails/70583404/

Her lawyer David Kendall said there's nothing for the committee to see on the server from Clinton's time in office. Clinton had given the State Department all work-related e-mails covering her tenure at the department from Jan. 21, 2009, through Feb. 1, 2013, he said.

In a six-page letter released Friday, Kendall said it would serve no purpose for Clinton to relinquish her server because Clinton's IT advisers have confirmed "there are no hdr22@clinton.com e-mails from Secretary Clinton's tenure as Secretary of State on the server for any review, even if such review were appropriate or legally authorized."

After Clinton's team determined which e-mails were to be turned over to the State Department last year, Clinton choose to delete her personal e-mails and asked her aides to change the settings on the account to retain e-mails for only 60 days, Kendall said. The account was no longer in active use at that point, he said.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...-takes-possession-blank-clinton-email-server/

Barbara Wells, an attorney for Denver-based computer services firm Platte River Networks, told The Washington Post that federal agents picked up the server from a private data center in New Jersey Wednesday afternoon. The attorney told the paper that the server "was blank" and no longer contained useful information.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/03/27/politics/hillary-clinton-personal-email-server/

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...fact-when-did-hillary-clinton-delete-her-ema/

When exactly did that happen? Keilar has a point when she says it’s unclear.

The Clinton campaign told us the work-related emails were deleted off the server shortly after they were turned over to the State Department on Dec. 5. They referred us to a letter Clinton’s lawyer David Kendall wrote to Gowdy. The Benghazi committee subpoenaed Clinton’s emails on March 4, 2015, and Gowdy asked for the physical server about two weeks later on March 19.

According to Kendall’s letter, dated March 27, the emails relevant to Benghazi were in the State Department’s possession and the committee had no legal right to the server. What’s more, what Gowdy wanted no longer existed.

Remember kiddies, when you migrate newer emails to a new server and then professionally sanitize the old server, it's only because that is convenient.

 

[Bowfinger]

lol Of course it doesn't. She only used her own server because it was convenient, and her having it sanitized before turning it over has absolutely nothing to do with that. We all believe you. No, we're not laughing AT you, we just all thought of something funny.

Never go full Michal, my friend. According to her hosting company, the server was wiped in June, 2013, when the Clinton's upgraded to a new server. I don't know about your company, but as best I can remember, that is standard practice in every sizable company I've worked with. Some even go so far as to require drives be physically destroyed, though I always thought that was over the top.

And you still dodge the fact that it's extremely damn convenient to tell your staff, "Hey, I already have an email account with my Blackberry. Let's use it!" I suppose you'll just double down on your conspiracy nonsense ... again.

 

[cabri]

Never go full Michal, my friend. According to her hosting company, the server was wiped in June, 2013, when the Clinton's upgraded to a new server. I don't know about your company, but as best I can remember, that is standard practice in every sizable company I've worked with. Some even go so far as to require drives be physically destroyed, though I always thought that was over the top.

And you still dodge the fact that it's extremely damn convenient to tell your staff, "Hey, I already have an email account with my Blackberry. Let's use it!" I suppose you'll just double down on your conspiracy nonsense ... again.

If it was wiped, how would she have all the emails supposedly turned over to state. And the 30000 personal emails that were screened as "not relevant"

Everything was pulled from backup media to be screened by her staff when forced 2 years later to deliver

Or if copied to the new server drives, then what difference does the switch over mean. Happened after she left State?
The classified data was still placed on a system under her control.

If anything else that is worse, the company that installed the new system is probably not cleared for classified info access at the level of data on the system.

And there was classified info on the system