Clinton to hand over email server to FBI

[soundforbjt]

As to the other, you've indicated that this is no big deal to you, so I'm just trying to make you realize that the Pubbies can and may do the same thing, if we establish that this behavior is acceptable.

The Pubbies have already established this behavior, they were the first to do it!
They kept their emails on the RNC server and then deleted them.

 

[TheGardener]

The Pubbies have already established this behavior, they were the first to do it!
They kept their emails on the RNC server and then deleted them.

Was this before or after Obama's executive order?

 

[Bowfinger]

You have an odd obsession with this case. Nowhere in my post did I saw what I was fine with or approved of. I was speculating on why she did it because I don't think the reason she gave makes any sense.

Werepossum isn't limited to attacking things you actually said. He feels entitled to make up whatever he can most easily attack. I suppose we should look the other way and let him, much as we let a "special" child win at checkers. We should take the high road and accommodate his intellectual and ethical disabilities.

 

[Jhhnn]

Of COURSE I am "obsessed" with this case: this is our likely next President and she makes Nixon look like a Boy Scout. And not a teenaged Eagle Scout flush with hormones either, like an innocent, idealistic pre-pubescent Boy Scout helping old ladies across the road.

As to the other, you've indicated that this is no big deal to you, so I'm just trying to make you realize that the Pubbies can and may do the same thing, if we establish that this behavior is acceptable.

Sad and desperate. Hillary apparently didn't need to cover up illegal break-ins or keep massive bombings secret.

The rest? Faux outrage. So long as the Hatch Act is in effect govt officials must use private servers for anything political, leaving the door open for so called "abuse."

None of it can be halted other than by rescinding that & stripping govt employees of their rights to privacy.

Screaming bloody murder about a "problem" that has no solution & zeroing in on Hillary about it is pure partisan bullshit.

 

[Jhhnn]

Was this before or after Obama's executive order?

Before, same as Hillary.

 

[Hugo Drax]

Btw I voted for Obama twice. How about them partisan apples.

And I pay higher taxes due to his policies. Since Romney would have been a bad choice and palin as vp was a terrifying aspect knowing she was one heartbeat away from being president. So I vote for Obama two times.

But Hillary sucks and is a democrat in name only. I would rather see sanders be nominated but e useful idiots keep drinking the Hillary coolaid.

But I would vote for trump.

Anyhow remember it's gonna be Bush or Clinton. Enjoy your democracy.

 

[Fern]

The Pubbies have already established this behavior, they were the first to do it!
They kept their emails on the RNC server and then deleted them.

^ This is a material misstatement of fact. It is, however, an oft repeated Dem talking point.

The Repubs did have and use official Gov email servers. The use of RNC servers was valid and required by the Hatch Act. Gov servers cannot be used for political (party) purposes. The issue was whether official business emails were sent through the RNC servers instead of the Gov servers. And from what I've seen all emails deleted in the RNC server were eventually recovered.

Hilary never even had a Gov email address and put ALL official emails on her private server.

Gov employees are expected to use non-gov email from time -to-time to conduct official business. From "time-to-time" does NOT mean 100% of the time.

Fern

 

[Jhhnn]

Btw I voted for Obama twice. How about them partisan apples.

And I pay higher taxes due to his policies. Since Romney would have been a bad choice and palin as vp was a terrifying aspect knowing she was one heartbeat away from being president. So I vote for Obama two times.

But Hillary sucks and is a democrat in name only. I would rather see sanders be nominated but e useful idiots keep drinking the Hillary coolaid.

But I would vote for trump.

Anyhow remember it's gonna be Bush or Clinton. Enjoy your democracy.

Potential Trump voters have no room to call anybody else idiots.

 

[Zorkorist]

A lot of us that missed Ross Perot, and the change he represented, are going to vote for Donald Trump.

It's time to take politics away from the politicians.

-John

 

[Hugo Drax]

A lot of us that missed Ross Perot, and the change he represented, are going to vote for Donald Trump.

It's time to take politics away from the politicians.

-John

Jhnnnnn wants another Establishment candidate. He has been properly trained, he has been trained to think Clinton is for the middle class and to avoid voting for Sanders.

 

[Jhhnn]

^ This is a material misstatement of fact. It is, however, an oft repeated Dem talking point.

The Repubs did have and use official Gov email servers. The use of RNC servers was valid and required by the Hatch Act. Gov servers cannot be used for political (party) purposes. The issue was whether official business emails were sent through the RNC servers instead of the Gov servers. And from what I've seen all emails deleted in the RNC server were eventually recovered.

Wrong. Prior to 2004, the RNC deleted email over 30 days old & users had the right to delete at will.

Late Tuesday, the Bush Administration admitted that in reviewing documents requested by Democrats for their investigations, it discovered that as many as 50 of its staffers may have violated the Presidential Records Act. The staffers, the White House said, were using e-mail accounts, laptops and BlackBerries provided by the Republican National Committee for official executive branch communications rather than the exclusively political work for which they were intended. Because the RNC had a policy until 2004 of erasing all e-mails on its servers after 30 days, including those by White House staffers, and because some of those staffers may have deleted e-mails on their own, the White House said it could not assure Congress that they have not violated the PRA, which requires the retention of official White House documents. The White House officials who may have broken the law include senior adviser Karl Rove, his deputies and much of their staffs.

http://content.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1610414,00.html

Hilary never even had a Gov email address and put ALL official emails on her private server.

Which violated no law, unlike the violations of the Presidential Records act mentioned in the article.

Gov employees are expected to use non-gov email from time -to-time to conduct official business. From "time-to-time" does NOT mean 100% of the time.

"Expected"? That's the criteria for allegations of wrongdoing?

Gotta love the back pedaling from Law breaker! to Rule breaker! to expectations! breaker.

It's just more trumped up outrage like all the Repub puffed scandals since Bert Lance.

 

[werepossum]

Wrong. Prior to 2004, the RNC deleted email over 30 days old & users had the right to delete at will.

http://content.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1610414,00.html

Which violated no law, unlike the violations of the Presidential Records act mentioned in the article.

"Expected"? That's the criteria for allegations of wrongdoing?

Gotta love the back pedaling from Law breaker! to Rule breaker! to expectations! breaker.

It's just more trumped up outrage like all the Repub puffed scandals since Bert Lance.

Lol Man, you are truly a tool on par with Bowfinger. Pubbies broke the law because they can't prove they didn't use only government servers for government business, but Hillary didn't when she used exclusively her own server. Some animals are a LOT more equal.

 

[Attic]

It's typical politics. Deception, conflation, plausible deniability setup's. All things Clinton excels at because she is by all measures a terrible person who knows how to abuse her position and the trust of others.

From FactCheck.org:

The fact is, though, Clinton and her campaign — with the initial help of the State Department — provided an incomplete and misleading account when asked a fundamental question about the email controversy. Clinton described the request for her emails as a routine record-keeping request that was made to several former secretaries, just as she has inaccurately described her unusual email arrangement as common because previous “secretaries of state” did the “same thing.” In fact only one, Colin Powell, used personal emails for government business, and he didn’t have a personal server.
Below are some of the statements made by Clinton, her office and her campaign about when and why the State Department requested her emails, beginning with the press conference she held on March 10, when she first addressed the New York Times story that said she exclusively used a personal email account to conduct official government business.

"Clinton, March 10: What happened in — sorry, I guess late summer, early — early fall, is that the State Department sent a letter to former secretaries of state, not just to me, asking for some assistance in providing any work-related emails that might be on the personal email."

Full Article: Clinton's Email Narrative Interrupted

Granted she uses somewhat clever deceptions, but it is deception nonetheless and the cat is out of the bag for anyone willing to stand back and look at how Clinton has conducted herself here and in other areas of her political career.

Par for the course?, sure, but par for the course.

 

[werepossum]

The Pubbies have already established this behavior, they were the first to do it!
They kept their emails on the RNC server and then deleted them.

See Fern's response. If Hillary is acceptable as the sole arbiter of what is official business because we have no evidence to the contrary, why isn't the same true for the Pubbies?

Werepossum isn't limited to attacking things you actually said. He feels entitled to make up whatever he can most easily attack. I suppose we should look the other way and let him, much as we let a "special" child win at checkers. We should take the high road and accommodate his intellectual and ethical disabilities.

Absolutely no one is buying your claim that you "let" the special child win at checkers. He was favored by twenty points.

Besides, it's not a high road if it only has two left lanes. It's just a high dead end.

 

[Zorkorist]

Liar, liar, pants on fire.

-John

 

[Jhhnn]

Lol Man, you are truly a tool on par with Bowfinger. Pubbies broke the law because they can't prove they didn't use only government servers for government business, but Hillary didn't when she used exclusively her own server. Some animals are a LOT more equal.

The difference is in the Presidential Records Act. There were & are constraints on the White House not placed on the SoS or other govt employees.

I'm not making a big deal out of that. I merely correct Fern's erroneous assertions.

Look past the Hillary hate that clouds your judgment. Admit that you have no answer to the possibility of abuse inherent in the system & the situation in general. Quit telling us that the windmill you're tilting against is some giant sea monster out to destroy the Republic & life as we know it.

Other than for ultra partisans on both sides, the so-called "issue" during the Bush presidency & Hillary's term as SOS really isn't that big a deal in either instance.

Anybody who thinks that politicians of any stripe won't massage the official record if possible so as to paint a better picture for posterity needs to get over themselves. It's been that way since the founding of the Republic.

 

[Blackjack200]

Absolutely no one is buying your claim that you "let" the special child win at checkers. He was favored by twenty points.

Besides, it's not a high road if it only has two left lanes. It's just a high dead end.

Yeah, you tell him! :thumbsup:

High five!

 

[werepossum]

Yeah, you tell him! :thumbsup:

High five!

Apparently the director of that photo is a bit special himself, as he set up the board at right angles to the players.

 

[ivwshane]

^ This is a material misstatement of fact. It is, however, an oft repeated Dem talking point.

The Repubs did have and use official Gov email servers. The use of RNC servers was valid and required by the Hatch Act. Gov servers cannot be used for political (party) purposes. The issue was whether official business emails were sent through the RNC servers instead of the Gov servers. And from what I've seen all emails deleted in the RNC server were eventually recovered.

Hilary never even had a Gov email address and put ALL official emails on her private server.

Gov employees are expected to use non-gov email from time -to-time to conduct official business. From "time-to-time" does NOT mean 100% of the time.

Fern

And as has been repeated to you ad nauseam the bolded statement is false when dealing with the time when Hilary was SoS. Your Republican talking point is bullshit.

 

[Bowfinger]

Yeah, you tell him! :thumbsup:

High five!

Well played!

 

[Zorkorist]

The difference is in the Presidential Records Act. There were & are constraints on the White House not placed on the SoS or other govt employees.

I'm not making a big deal out of that. I merely correct Fern's erroneous assertions.

Look past the Hillary hate that clouds your judgment. Admit that you have no answer to the possibility of abuse inherent in the system & the situation in general. Quit telling us that the windmill you're tilting against is some giant sea monster out to destroy the Republic & life as we know it.

Other than for ultra partisans on both sides, the so-called "issue" during the Bush presidency & Hillary's term as SOS really isn't that big a deal in either instance.

Anybody who thinks that politicians of any stripe won't massage the official record if possible so as to paint a better picture for posterity needs to get over themselves. It's been that way since the founding of the Republic.

Hillary has systematically tried to deceive and avoid responsibility for her actions as a politician.

She is the slipperiest snake you could ever imagine.

From Benghazi, to her own email, all we can hope for is that she gets elected president, so we can impeach her, as we did her husband, for lying.

-John

 

[ivwshane]

Hillary has systematically tried to deceive and avoid responsibility for her actions as a politician.

She is the slipperiest snake you could ever imagine.

From Benghazi, to her own email, all we can hope for is that she gets elected president, so we can impeach her, as we did her husband, for lying.

-John

Lol! You do realize that this "email scandal" is apart of the on going investigation into benghazi (the longest investigation in congressional history btw), that has yet to turn up a single fucking thing!

Of course you don't...

 

[Zorkorist]

You realize that her husband, Bill, has already been impeached?

This is nothing new to her, lying, watching people die on her watch, etc.

-John

 

[ivwshane]

You realize that her husband, Bill, has already been impeached?

This is nothing new to her, lying, watching people die on her watch, etc.

-John

Her husband bill has what exactly to do with Hilary? Don't bother answering, it's clear you are a troll without an honest bone in you.

 

[Zorkorist]

You can't handle the truth!

-John