Clinton to hand over email server to FBI

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Blackjack200

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Anyone here think this "benghazi scandal" is bigger than Pearl Harbor? The JFK assassination? watergate? Iran contra? Monica lewinski?

http://www.salon.com/2015/09/28/gop...ngest_congressional_investigation_in_history/

How can you even compare the illegal exchange of weapons for hostages to the insidious, nationally devastating use of A PRIVATE EMAIL SERVARRR!!!

Funny thought, what do you think would happen if Obama was caught selling weapons to Iran to try to get the American prisoners released, and was using the money to fund some pet war that congress had defunded?

How do you think that one would go?
 

ivwshane

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How can you even compare the illegal exchange of weapons for hostages to the insidious, nationally devastating use of A PRIVATE EMAIL SERVARRR!!!

Funny thought, what do you think would happen if Obama was caught selling weapons to Iran to try to get the American prisoners released, and was using the money to fund some pet war that congress had defunded?

How do you think that one would go?

I could almost guarantee the response from the right would involve violence of some kind. No joke. The right has been hoping to get Obama to fuck up, either via scandal or by making a horrible decision. He's been squeaky clean and I see Hilary as their way of venting and attacking.
 

werepossum

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So dishonest. You're part of this thread-

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2449356

That accusation appears to be false based on a NYT article linked in post #35 of it yesterday afternoon.

http://www.nytimes.com/politics/fir...-region&region=bottom-well&WT.nav=bottom-well

You are the author of post #36 directly below it. But you're here today to re-assert the same lie debunked yesterday.

If you somehow missed post #35 in that thread I can understand you being mistaken. If that's the case, you need to admit it.
Apparently in what passes for your mind, Hillary Clinton's chief of staff exists not to carry out Her will but is some sort of independent force with which Mrs. Clinton is hardly even familiar and with which she certainly has no relationship. Meanwhile in the sane world, one's chief of staff is assumed to be acting on one's orders.

What is sad is that you are incapable of understanding even so simple a fable as The Boy Who Cried Wolf. Republicans are liars who cry wolf, over and over and over again. You've been lying about the Obama administration for a good seven years. You've been lying about the Clintons for at least 20. You therefore have zero credibility. None. About anything. If you said water is wet we'd need to verify this from a credible source before believing it.

Thus, when you claim Hillary did this or lied about that, we assume you are still lying. This is not because we're "fine with Hillary ..." (Yet another example of you personally lying, one of your most defining traits here.) It's because we don't believe you. Based on past performance, it's likely you're either knowingly lying again, or you're stupidly parroting more lies from your masters. Either way, you are not trusted to convey truthful information.

TL;DR -- It's not that we believe Clinton/Obama/???, it's that we don't believe YOU. That is the moral of The Boy Who Cried Wolf.
There is ample documentation for all this, including from the New York Times. When you assign the NYT as part of the vast right wing conspiracy, you've lost all credibility.
 

werepossum

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How can you even compare the illegal exchange of weapons for hostages to the insidious, nationally devastating use of A PRIVATE EMAIL SERVARRR!!!

Funny thought, what do you think would happen if Obama was caught selling weapons to Iran to try to get the American prisoners released, and was using the money to fund some pet war that congress had defunded?

How do you think that one would go?
Well, we've seen him caught walking weapons to drug cartels for no better reason than to have them show up at crime scenes to support his anti-gun policies, with no consequences whatsoever, so clearly the answer would be nothing would happen.
 

nageov3t

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There is ample documentation for all this, including from the New York Times. When you assign the NYT as part of the vast right wing conspiracy, you've lost all credibility.
the NY Times may be a largely liberal newspaper, but they (or at least specifically, their Washington bureau if not the editorial board) have had a hardon for attacking the Clintons since the 90's.

they were the chief instigators of White Water when Bill was in-office, and just this year they were the ones who rushed to the presses with news that Hillary was under criminal investigation (only to retract it in a buried story later)

hard not to feel like they're insisting there's a fire somewhere, despite 25 years of smoke with nothing else.
 
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Well, we've seen him caught walking weapons to drug cartels for no better reason than to have them show up at crime scenes to support his anti-gun policies, with no consequences whatsoever, so clearly the answer would be nothing would happen.
Contrasting the objectives of the 'guns for hostages' scandal and 'Fast and Furious' scandal is quite interesting and says a lot about the sheer depth of mental depravity we're dealing with here.
 
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werepossum

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the NY Times may be a largely liberal newspaper, but they (or at least specifically, their Washington bureau if not the editorial board) have had a hardon for attacking the Clintons since the 90's.

they were the chief instigators of White Water when Bill was in-office, and just this year they were the ones who rushed to the presses with news that Hillary was under criminal investigation (only to retract it in a buried story later)

hard not to feel like they're insisting there's a fire somewhere, despite 25 years of smoke with nothing else.
I suppose it depends on what one considers something. When a lawyer certifies a close friend as destitute so that she gets a $300,000 "loan" even though that friend's husband owns a bank, I see that as something. When a Presidential candidate is caught largely financing his campaign with illegal donations from foreign governments and interests, I see that as something. When a SecState gets caught using her own private server for all official business, including classified and sensitive discussions, some of which are hacked and made available, I see that as something. YMMV but I would be interested as to what you would consider a fire.
 

Jhhnn

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Apparently in what passes for your mind, Hillary Clinton's chief of staff exists not to carry out Her will but is some sort of independent force with which Mrs. Clinton is hardly even familiar and with which she certainly has no relationship. Meanwhile in the sane world, one's chief of staff is assumed to be acting on one's orders.


There is ample documentation for all this, including from the New York Times. When you assign the NYT as part of the vast right wing conspiracy, you've lost all credibility.

One's chief of staff is assumed to be capable of independent decision making within a broad framework.
 

Bowfinger

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There is ample documentation for all this, including from the New York Times.
OK. I've not read it. The fact that you think it's a scandal is irrelevant to me because you are the party the cries wolf. I'm not sure why this simple concept still escapes you.


When you assign the NYT as part of the vast right wing conspiracy, you've lost all credibility.
Another straw man. There's a shocker. When lying about others is your primary means of engagement, YOU have no credibility to lose. Get well soon.
 

werepossum

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Contrasting the objectives of the 'guns for hostages' scandal and 'Fast and Furious' scandal is quite interesting and says a lot about the shear depth of mental depravity we're dealing with here.
Agreed, although I suspect that Obama knew nothing about Fast and Furious until it broke. Nonetheless he chose to own it when he declared the entire federal government as his counsel.
 

werepossum

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OK. I've not read it. The fact that you think it's a scandal is irrelevant to me because you are the party the cries wolf. I'm not sure why this simple concept still escapes you.

Another straw man. There's a shocker. When lying about others is your primary means of engagement, YOU have no credibility to lose. Get well soon.
An even simpler concept is clear to me: you will support your team to any and all extent, and damn the consequences.
 

Jhhnn

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Well, we've seen him caught walking weapons to drug cartels for no better reason than to have them show up at crime scenes to support his anti-gun policies, with no consequences whatsoever, so clearly the answer would be nothing would happen.

When called out on gross distortion, divert with an even bigger whopper.

You're flinging dried out old turds that won't stick to anything. Even Darryl Issa recognized that as a loser.
 

nageov3t

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I would be interested as to what you would consider a fire.
personally, I'm waiting for clear evidence of wrong-doing.

if emails reveal that she was using the private server for the purposes of corruption or fraud-related activities, then I'll happily lead the charge to burn her at the stake.

if she was doing it simply because it was unwieldy having to manage multiple email accounts when there's so much overlap between personal, State Department, and Clinton Initiative matters, the White House was aware of it, it wasn't illegal, and there's no evidence of the server getting hacked or security breached, then it's all smoke as far as I can tell.
 

werepossum

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I agree, that seems to be a concept you embody quite well.
Lol Bowfinger, the far left's chief multi tool.

I have no problem identifying when the left and/Democrats are morally correct and the Pubbies morally wrong, which is often. You on the other hand can barely even bring yourself to say the left is not as much more correct as usual.

personally, I'm waiting for clear evidence of wrong-doing.

if emails reveal that she was using the private server for the purposes of corruption or fraud-related activities, then I'll happily lead the charge to burn her at the stake.

if she was doing it simply because it was unwieldy having to manage multiple email accounts when there's so much overlap between personal, State Department, and Clinton Initiative matters, the White House was aware of it, it wasn't illegal, and there's no evidence of the server getting hacked or security breached, then it's all smoke as far as I can tell.
Lol okay, buddy. If you want to believe the woman is honestly incapable of juggling a whopping two email accounts and yet is still well qualified to be President, so be it.
 

Blackjack200

Lifer
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personally, I'm waiting for clear evidence of wrong-doing.

if emails reveal that she was using the private server for the purposes of corruption or fraud-related activities, then I'll happily lead the charge to burn her at the stake.

if she was doing it simply because it was unwieldy having to manage multiple email accounts when there's so much overlap between personal, State Department, and Clinton Initiative matters, the White House was aware of it, it wasn't illegal, and there's no evidence of the server getting hacked or security breached, then it's all smoke as far as I can tell.

Lol Bowfinger, the far left's chief multi tool.

I have no problem identifying when the left and/Democrats are morally correct and the Pubbies morally wrong, which is often. You on the other hand can barely even bring yourself to say the left is not as much more correct as usual.


Lol okay, buddy. If you want to believe the woman is honestly incapable of juggling a whopping two email accounts and yet is still well qualified to be President, so be it.

The question of why she did it is actually fairly interesting. I don't believe her story that it was more convenient. I also don't believe it was some sinister plot to plan the Benghazi attacks outside gov channels.

The best theory that I've heard so far is that Clinton has been targeted by the Republicans for so long that she instinctively keeps her communications as secret as possible, to avoid the very kind of prying we're seeing now. How ironic.
 

werepossum

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The question of why she did it is actually fairly interesting. I don't believe her story that it was more convenient. I also don't believe it was some sinister plot to plan the Benghazi attacks outside gov channels.

The best theory that I've heard so far is that Clinton has been targeted by the Republicans for so long that she instinctively keeps her communications as secret as possible, to avoid the very kind of prying we're seeing now. How ironic.
So you'd be fine with the next Republican administration also doing its business on RNC servers? Remember, this is the party which has judges unsealing divorce records and Democrat operatives using sophisticated scanners to eavesdrop on cell phone calls. Surely if this is okay for Hillary, it's also okay for the Pubbies. And if it's okay for everyone, why don't we simply write out the Constitutional Congressional oversight powers and responsibilities, so that the Executive Branch can officially do whatever it wishes? Either we make the Executive Branch the sole branch, or we make them so subject to the Judicial Branch. Either way, we've eliminated the Congressional Branch from power. Surely eliminating the branch that is most accountable to the people can do nothing but improve the nation, eh?

Not a good idea to have laws we don't intend to enforce or selectively enforce, that simply traps honest people while giving an advantage to crooks. (Not that something disadvantaging honest people will have much effect in D.C., but still, why would we have laws that we openly allow our politicians to break?) If you wish to advocate for making certain people above the law based on the other side being mean to them, please just advocate removing the law for everyone.
 

Jhhnn

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So you'd be fine with the next Republican administration also doing its business on RNC servers? Remember, this is the party which has judges unsealing divorce records and Democrat operatives using sophisticated scanners to eavesdrop on cell phone calls. Surely if this is okay for Hillary, it's also okay for the Pubbies. And if it's okay for everyone, why don't we simply write out the Constitutional Congressional oversight powers and responsibilities, so that the Executive Branch can officially do whatever it wishes? Either we make the Executive Branch the sole branch, or we make them so subject to the Judicial Branch. Either way, we've eliminated the Congressional Branch from power. Surely eliminating the branch that is most accountable to the people can do nothing but improve the nation, eh?

Not a good idea to have laws we don't intend to enforce or selectively enforce, that simply traps honest people while giving an advantage to crooks. (Not that something disadvantaging honest people will have much effect in D.C., but still, why would we have laws that we openly allow our politicians to break?) If you wish to advocate for making certain people above the law based on the other side being mean to them, please just advocate removing the law for everyone.

Obfuscate & divert. It's what you do when you run out of arguments.

So long as the hatch act is in effect & govt employees have any rights to privacy at all then there's plenty of wiggle room for any govt official to use private email for govt business. That's true even with changes issued by Obama-

http://www.wsj.com/articles/hillary...se-came-before-recent-rule-changes-1425415233
 

werepossum

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Obfuscate & divert. It's what you do when you run out of arguments.

So long as the hatch act is in effect & govt employees have any rights to privacy at all then there's plenty of wiggle room for any govt official to use private email for govt business. That's true even with changes issued by Obama-

http://www.wsj.com/articles/hillary...se-came-before-recent-rule-changes-1425415233
Your author really should update your code to give you the ability to answer simple yes-no questions.
 

werepossum

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You have an odd obsession with this case. Nowhere in my post did I saw what I was fine with or approved of. I was speculating on why she did it because I don't think the reason she gave makes any sense.
Of COURSE I am "obsessed" with this case: this is our likely next President and she makes Nixon look like a Boy Scout. And not a teenaged Eagle Scout flush with hormones either, like an innocent, idealistic pre-pubescent Boy Scout helping old ladies across the road.

As to the other, you've indicated that this is no big deal to you, so I'm just trying to make you realize that the Pubbies can and may do the same thing, if we establish that this behavior is acceptable.
 

ivwshane

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This isn't a moral issue though and that's what you guys don't seem to understand.


Lol Bowfinger, the far left's chief multi tool.

I have no problem identifying when the left and/Democrats are morally correct and the Pubbies morally wrong, which is often. You on the other hand can barely even bring yourself to say the left is not as much more correct as usual.


Lol okay, buddy. If you want to believe the woman is honestly incapable of juggling a whopping two email accounts and yet is still well qualified to be President, so be it.