Clinton to hand over email server to FBI

[werepossum]

.... oh, you were being serious. Ok then

SNIP

The really scary part is that sometimes, in weak moments, I suspect that he and those like him might actually manage to convince themselves that they are not the partisan tools the whole world knows them to be, but in fact noble freedom fighters fighting for truth, justice and the American way which only coincidentally happen to align 100% with the Democrat Party, no matter what it does. That level of delusion operating automobiles, firearms and voting booths is to me a lot scarier than just the cloud of base dishonesty I usually know them to be operating within.

 

[wetech]

No, it means that classifying it is pointless other than for public release purposes. Assume all internet email to be insecure from an espionage POV, proceed from there.

So you're just making up your own protocols as you go along, got it. Going by the Reuters article, the info is automatically deemed classified; but the rules don't need to be followed because of other rules that you made up in your head.

The one example we know much about was an email discussion about a news article about drones. Anything about drones is automagically "classified" because the whole program is classified, including the news article. What I just typed is also "classified" because I mentioned the super-sekrit drone program. So, if the security geeks notice it, they'll slap a classified label on it & put a copy of it in a vault somewhere so that nobody can see it, ignoring the fact that it's already in the public domain.

there's no real intelligence behind it at that level.

Indeed, there's very little...

 

[Blackjack200]

The really scary part is that sometimes, in weak moments, I suspect that he and those like him might actually manage to convince themselves that they are not the partisan tools the whole world knows them to be, but in fact noble freedom fighters fighting for truth, justice and the American way which only coincidentally happen to align 100% with the Democrat Party, no matter what it does. That level of delusion operating automobiles, firearms and voting booths is to me a lot scarier than just the cloud of base dishonesty I usually know them to be operating within.

Wow, incedible projection. Not a shred of self awareness.

 

[boomerang]

Jhhnn's a whiny little bitch. I don't know why you guys even respond to him.

 

[Blackjack200]

...I suspect that he and those like him might actually manage to convince themselves that they are not the partisan tools the whole world knows them to be...

Jhhnn's a whiny little bitch. I don't know why you guys even respond to him.

LMAO.

This woman has been in the public for thirty years. Eight years in the White House, eight years in the Senate, four years in the Obama Administration, with concerted efforts to smear and attack and dig up dirt the entire time.

And all you have to show for it is a fucking email server.

LMAO. Go ahead, flog it for the next 14 months.

The tears will be delicious on inauguration day.

 

[Jhhnn]

So you're just making up your own protocols as you go along, got it. Going by the Reuters article, the info is automatically deemed classified; but the rules don't need to be followed because of other rules that you made up in your head.





Indeed, there's very little...

So, what you're saying is that the SoS should clear her inbox through the security geeks before they even read it so as to be sure about what's classified & what's not just so the SoS can avoid this kind of attack. How many departments should they clear it through? How long do you figure that would take?

How little leeway will you allow this SoS vs her predecessors? Are they all supposed to exercise perfect judgment with perfect knowledge every time or is that because Hillary?

 

[Jhhnn]

Jhhnn's a whiny little bitch. I don't know why you guys even respond to him.

I love it when you're reduced to empty personal attack. It means you didn't have much of an argument in the first place.

Righties have an enormous blind spot, bless 'em. Whenever they read or hear something negative about somebody they're supposed to hate they believe it & will defend it instantly. Bam! Right into faith based reasoning &truthiness. They evaluate new information on the basis of pre-existing belief, not on the objective merits.

Which makes them chumps for what really is superficial propaganda.

 

[Moonbeam]

Wow, incedible projection. Not a shred of self awareness.

Glad you said that and not me. I just read it and was laughing my ass off when I came to your post.

The fun thing about describing conservative brain defectives is that whatever you say to them it takes only a few days and they are saying the same about you. They just get better and better at being sick.

 

[wetech]

So, what you're saying is that the SoS should clear her inbox through the security geeks before they even read it so as to be sure about what's classified & what's not just so the SoS can avoid this kind of attack. How many departments should they clear it through? How long do you figure that would take?

Not at all. Again, going by the Reuters article, foreign government information is the only kind that is presumed classified. You shouldn't need a "security geek" to figure out what that is.

How little leeway will you allow this SoS vs her predecessors? Are they all supposed to exercise perfect judgment with perfect knowledge every time or is that because Hillary?

I have no idea what her predecessors did when / if they came across this type of info in their inboxes. I would say that they have a responsibility to handle it as they would other classified information, and not pass it around like their favorite cat .gif.

 

[Jhhnn]

Not at all. Again, going by the Reuters article, foreign government information is the only kind that is presumed classified. You shouldn't need a "security geek" to figure out what that is.

Finally. It's a judgment call, right? Who are these self aggrandizing backbiters to question that sort of judgment by any SoS? What purpose is there other than partisanship?

I have no idea what her predecessors did when / if they came across this type of info in their inboxes. I would say that they have a responsibility to handle it as they would other classified information, and not pass it around like their favorite cat .gif.

Slip slidin' away, huh? Her predecessors likely did much the same. It wasn't shit until the rule book beaters found an angle on it, just for Hillary.

 

[PokerGuy]

LMAO.

This woman has been in the public for thirty years. Eight years in the White House, eight years in the Senate, four years in the Obama Administration, with concerted efforts to smear and attack and dig up dirt the entire time.

And all you have to show for it is a f*cking email server.

Coincidentally, that's also the only achievement she's had over those years

What has she actually accomplished in her career, other than being married to Bill and riding his coattail to a career?

 

[cabri]

Finally. It's a judgment call, right? Who are these self aggrandizing backbiters to question that sort of judgment by any SoS? What purpose is there other than partisanship?



Slip slidin' away, huh? Her predecessors likely did much the same. It wasn't shit until the rule book beaters found an angle on it, just for Hillary.

The judgement of classification is removed by government regulations.

Did her predecessors have private email servers on which they retained classified info?

 

[ivwshane]

The judgement of classification is removed by government regulations.

Did her predecessors have private email servers on which they retained classified info?

Yes, and they used servers ran by corporations such as AOL and google. Are servers ran by corporations more favorable to you than personal servers when it comes to classified info?

 

[Jhhnn]

The judgement of classification is removed by government regulations.

Did her predecessors have private email servers on which they retained classified info?

The first part is absurd. Sooner or later people are interpreting the rules of classification. It can be no other way. Regulations can't cover everything. Security geek #1 will say it's classified & #2 will claim to the contrary, both pulling snippets of "da rules" to support their position.

In that, they attempt to usurp the power of the office of the SoS & common sense as well. That's fine for the purposes of public release of archives- censor away. It's entirely another matter when it's just selective political vendetta backbiting.

The second part is immaterial as to the classified nature of the SoS email. It doesn't matter where it resides in that regard.

 

[cabri]

Yes, and they used servers ran by corporations such as AOL and google. Are servers ran by corporations more favorable to you than personal servers when it comes to classified info?

Please provide info on where the previous SoS used private servers such as those you identified to store/transmit classified info.

 

[cabri]

The first part is absurd. Sooner or later people are interpreting the rules of classification. It can be no other way. Regulations can't cover everything. Security geek #1 will say it's classified & #2 will claim to the contrary, both pulling snippets of "da rules" to support their position.

In that, they attempt to usurp the power of the office of the SoS & common sense as well. That's fine for the purposes of public release of archives- censor away. It's entirely another matter when it's just selective political vendetta backbiting.

The second part is immaterial as to the classified nature of the SoS email. It doesn't matter where it resides in that regard.

The first part is that there are strict guidelines for the classification, handling and declassification of information.

The SoS does not have the authority to weaken those guidelines, interpret or ignore them.

The SoS IG noted tha infomation was classified. You are accusing that office of being partisan?

Communication with foreign goverments is to be classified per US gov regulations. There is no if, and or buts about it.

Clinton transmitted that information across unsecured lines. It originated from her server/email

 

[Chaotic0ne]

Hitlery's presidential campaign is pretty much finished at this point. She should step down to avoid doing any further damage to the Democratic Party. If she ends up being the nominee, there is absolutely no way she can win, even against Trump. Anyone hoping for a Trump presidency, should hope that she runs. I'll tell you guys right now that if Trump ends up winning because Hitlery wouldn't step down that every single trollish molecule in my body will be giggling with excitement. I'm not sure how I'd contain myself. The tears, ohhhhhh the tears will be delicious!

 

[Jhhnn]

The first part is that there are strict guidelines for the classification, handling and declassification of information.

The SoS does not have the authority to weaken those guidelines, interpret or ignore them.

And nobody but the president has any legitimacy in questioning the authority of any SoS in such matters. If you dig deep enough into "da rules" you'll undoubtedly find a disclaimer like "or as the secretary shall decree". It's always there. Somebody always has to have that power because regulations & rules are always imperfect.

The SoS IG noted tha infomation was classified. You are accusing that office of being partisan?

That's about what they'll release as public record, not about what the SoS can and cannot do prior to that. Don't confuse the two.

Communication with foreign goverments is to be classified per US gov regulations. There is no if, and or buts about it.

Clinton transmitted that information across unsecured lines. It originated from her server/email

By necessity & by law the SoS has great discretion in many matters, this being so picayune as to be laughable.

 

[HTFOff]

Hitlery's presidential campaign is pretty much finished at this point. She should step down to avoid doing any further damage to the Democratic Party. If she ends up being the nominee, there is absolutely no way she can win, even against Trump. Anyone hoping for a Trump presidency, should hope that she runs. I'll tell you guys right now that if Trump ends up winning because Hitlery wouldn't step down that every single trollish molecule in my body will be giggling with excitement. I'm not sure how I'd contain myself. The tears, ohhhhhh the tears will be delicious!

I think the odds are greater for mossad and hamas having a dinner party than hilary stepping down.

 

[Knowing]

And nobody but the president has any legitimacy in questioning the authority of any SoS in such matters. If you dig deep enough into "da rules" you'll undoubtedly find a disclaimer like "or as the secretary shall decree". It's always there. Somebody always has to have that power because regulations & rules are always imperfect.
By necessity & by law the SoS has great discretion in many matters, this being so picayune as to be laughable.

If you're trying to convince us, evidence would help. If you're trying to convince yourself then keep on truckin'. Reminder: you've already been forced by the facts to retreat from the "nothing in there is classified" line of BS she tried to push.

As I said before *even if* you're right about her having the discretion to declassify things that really ought to be classified, it will have to gain a classification to keep it out of the public sphere. Does the administration want mere mortals that are subject to laws to pick through Hillary's unmitigated failures (we hope) during the revolutions in the middle east?

 

[wetech]

And nobody but the president has any legitimacy in questioning the authority of any SoS in such matters. If you dig deep enough into "da rules" you'll undoubtedly find a disclaimer like "or as the secretary shall decree". It's always there. Somebody always has to have that power because regulations & rules are always imperfect.

Please show us this disclaimer. Or did you pull that out of your ass as well?

That's about what they'll release as public record, not about what the SoS can and cannot do prior to that. Don't confuse the two.

Sorry, but no. Foreign government information is classified and has to be handled as such. It's not "kinda classified so feel free to maybe handle it carefully... if you feel like it."

By necessity & by law the SoS has great discretion in many matters, this being so picayune as to be laughable.

The only thing laughable is your unshakable defense on this point.

I have no idea what her predecessors did when / if they came across this type of info in their inboxes. I would say that they have a responsibility to handle it as they would other classified information, and not pass it around like their favorite cat .gif.

Slip slidin' away, huh? Her predecessors likely did much the same. It wasn't shit until the rule book beaters found an angle on it, just for Hillary.

I'm not backtracking at all. I specifically said I don't know what her predecessors did when / if situations like this arose. I also said I would expect them to follow proper procedures on the handling of classified info. The emails quoted in the article literally have Hume and Clinton passing around info from foreign officials who explicitly say "for Clinton's eyes only".

 

[ivwshane]

Please provide info on where the previous SoS used private servers such as those you identified to store/transmit classified info.

I already did. You can search my posts in this thread for the links.

 

[Zorkorist]

A previous, secretary of state may not have understood cyber threats.

Hillarious, understood cyberthreats, and decided she was more important.

-John

 

[ivwshane]

A previous, secretary of state may not have understood cyber threats.

Hillarious, understood cyberthreats, and decided she was more important.

-John

Uh ok. What exactly makes you think government email is more secure than anyone else's email system?

 

[Zorkorist]

Because Government attempts at security, makes it better than Hillary Clinton running her own server.

-John