Clinton to hand over email server to FBI

[Doc Savage Fan]

Seriously, just stop. This is embarrassing.

EDIT: Any chance you're going to stop evading and give us the source for your legal opinion, btw?

Take as much time as you need. Please.

I literally already did. I don't know what else to tell you.

http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/USCODE-2008-title44/pdf/USCODE-2008-title44-chap31-sec3105.pdf

 

[fskimospy]

I literally already did. I don't know what else to tell you.

http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/USCODE-2008-title44/pdf/USCODE-2008-title44-chap31-sec3105.pdf

I was previously unaware that the US code now contains a legal argument for why Hillary Clinton violated parts of it. Strange, I don't see her name anywhere though.

Basically it seems like you're trying to say that your legal basis is you. I'll stick with NPR, thanks.

 

[Blackjack200]

I was previously unaware that the US code now contains a legal argument for why Hillary Clinton violated parts of it. Strange, I don't see her name anywhere though.

Basically it seems like you're trying to say that your legal basis is you. I'll stick with NPR, thanks.

The source for my legal opinion is THE LAW!!

 

[CPA]

Using the same playbook, an investigation of something patently ridiculous (Benghazi) becomes a search of her private server. I am impressed beyong comprehension at how good the Republicans are at this shit. Unfortunately even though their actions were evil and partisan in getting this unwarranted seach, it appears that Clinton did in fact engage in behaviour that was illegal.

This whole thing stemmed from an article by the New York Times. The journalist's investigation led to the National Archives and Records Administration who had previously brought it as a concern internally. But, it's the Republican's fault, right?

And now the FBI is involved and a judge has rules that she must release her emails quickly, but both of these are under the Republican bootstrap, correct?

Now, of course, no one knows for sure who tipped off the NYT reporter, though there has been some speculation, but for some of you apparently, it HAS to be, it surely cannot be anyone other than a Republican.

 

[fskimospy]

The source for my legal opinion is THE LAW!!

http://dredlawwww.ytmnd.com/

LAWWWWWWWW

 

[cabri]

Link

Backups may now exists.

The IT firm hired by Hillary Clinton to oversee her private server has told ABC it is "highly likely" a backup copy of the server was made, meaning any emails Clinton deleted before she handed the server over to investigators may still be accessible.
Being able to access the deleted emails via a backup server would most likely make investigators' job much easier, cybersecurity expert Alex McGeorge of Immunity Inc. told Business Insider on Friday.

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[TheGardener]

According to the State Department the number of documents that could contain classified information is now up to 305 documents. Reported by AP with the story carried by the Boston Herald.

http://www.bostonherald.com/news_op...305_clinton_emails_might_have_classified_data

 

[waggy]

Link

Backups may now exists.

oh that is either good or bad. hmm

 

[chucky2]

Or read another way, what will be provided as "backups" have been already altered before the "backup" news is released so as to not seriously damage Billary.

 

[Blackjack200]

Or read another way, what will be provided as "backups" have been already altered before the "backup" news is released so as to not seriously damage Billary.

I'm sure the emails Clinton sent to Kim Jong Un proposing to unconditionally surrender the United States to his rule once she's elected were conveniently fired into the sun by NASA.

 

[Jaskalas]

Let's not forget that she already lied to Congress when she proclaimed there was no classified info.

A Claim of No Classified Emails in a Place That Classifies Routinely

 

[Jhhnn]

Let's not forget that she already lied to Congress when she proclaimed there was no classified info.

A Claim of No Classified Emails in a Place That Classifies Routinely

From your own link-

But Mr. Aftergood also noted that as secretary of state, Mrs. Clinton was the top classification authority for the entire State Department, with broad discretion to determine which department documents were classified and which were not. “There’s zero chance that she’ll be charged with unauthorized retention of classified information, because she decides what’s classified,” he said.

Fit that into the conspiracy theory.

 

[Jhhnn]

So where were we?

We were at the point of a realization, that if any SoS says information is not classified then it's not classified until there's some reorganization inside the State Dept. Period.

So if Hillary says there's no classified information on her server, it's true simply because she said so when SoS.

We're also at the point where we need to understand that Govt cannot function under the microscopes of back biters & that cabinet members are entitled not just to some privacy but some trust. Any of them. If Hillary says the deleted mails were private then I have the respect for her office to believe her & her predecessors.

Or is that the whole point, to tear down the institution of Govt itself, drown it in the bathtub so that the Masses have no say, no legitimate way to exert their democratic will, no way to effect the boardrooms of multinational capitalism?

 

[werepossum]

You're right, I misread what you wrote. According to what we know she has preserved the official documents, but wiped all personal contents. That is the part that was changed in 2014 and did not apply to her.

http://www.npr.org/sections/itsallp...heck-hillary-clinton-those-emails-and-the-law

lol Nice. According to what we know means only whatever the Hildabeast deigns to tell us, since she had everything wiped.

I personally think she is fucked, completely and utterly fucked. This looks really really bad for her. I am perplexed as to what started all of this in the first place. What put people on to her personal server initially? Do they do this with all exiting Secratary of States?

I still seriously doubt she is fucked, for one reason because:

Oh really? The Bush Administration using a private email server and deleting 22 million emails is not relevant to this situation?

Hey, that was only because it was convenient!​

Queen Hillary is publically at the top of the dung heap at the moment, but even as the Pubbies savage her they will be keeping in mind that they might need to do more or less the same thing once again. This is real malfeasance, but it's also political theater.

 

[Hugo Drax]

You're out of your fucking mind. Go read up on Iran-Contra, Watergate, or COINTELPRO, and see what a real scandal is.

Or link me to all your flipping out and conniption fits when the Bush Administration did the same goddamn thing.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bush_White_House_e-mail_controversy

And none of it makes it right, she belongs in that list along with Nixon etc..

Why did she not just hand over the servers untouched? If she had nothing to hide as a public official then she should have had no problem letting go of that server.

 

[Fern]

Oh really? The Bush Administration using a private email server and deleting 22 million emails is not relevant to this situation?

I thought they all used the one outside server? It was the RNC server. I.e., not each having their own server in their basement like Hillary.

I also thought they were instructed to do that to comply with the law that prohibited use of a govt server for political party stuff? No?

I also thought that the WH hired high tech companies to retrieve the emails, not wipe the server. Right?

I also thought the missing/deleted emails were recovered. Right?

ATM I'm not seeing a lot of similarities.

Fern

 

[Jhhnn]

I thought they all used the one outside server? It was the RNC server. I.e., not each having their own server in their basement like Hillary.

I also thought they were instructed to do that to comply with the law that prohibited use of a govt server for political party stuff? No?

I also thought that the WH hired high tech companies to retrieve the emails, not wipe the server. Right?

I also thought the missing/deleted emails were recovered. Right?

ATM I'm not seeing a lot of similarities.

Fern

You are largely mistaken.

even though RNC policy since 2004 has been to retain all emails of White House staff with RNC accounts, the staffers had the ability to delete the email themselves.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bush_White_House_email_controversy

Click- Gone!

Just because 22M have been recovered it doesn't mean they were all recovered.

And-

At least eighty-eight Republican National Committee email accounts were granted to senior Bush administration officials, not "just a handful" as previously reported by the White House spokesperson Dana Perino in March 2007.

Of the 88 White House officials who received RNC email accounts, the RNC has preserved no emails for 51 officials.

A lot of other stuff in there as well, if you're interested in backward looking historical tidbits.

When Hillary does the same thing on a personal scale that Repub predecessors did on a much more massive scale, 700 times as large, she's got Hell to pay from the ravers who give the Bush clan a complete pass. It's beyond shameless partisanship over yet another in a long string of trumped up scandals.

It's what they have to do to avoid discussion of substantive issues because in that regard they really have nothing other than tried & failed ideology that's been destroying the middle class for decades. Make no mistake about it, Repub spinmeisters are the servants of the financial elite exclusively.

 

[LightPattern]

When did she lie?

:biggrin:

That said, I recognize that our retention requirements are not the same as the State Department's, and I agree that Clinton's practices allowed her to avoid oversight and that is legitimate criticism, and I share in it.

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I see your point. I'm assuming that she had some kind of expectation that classified information would not be sent to her through that server. I don't know how things work at that level, and maybe TS briefings and the like are generally not emailed at all. But maybe they are. And if she knew that people were going to be sending her classified information through that server, and let it happen, they she should be responsible for that too.

Learning happening in this thread!

In any case, I don't think "other SoS did it" is a good excuse. I say she shouldn't have done it, she should be criticized for it, and that's pretty much the end of it.

The question of the legality of her actions is still being looked at.. so this certainly isn't the end of it.

 

[C1]

One of the reasons why security is such a big deal is touched on by the copy of the post below found on GLP.

I would add also that if one is able to take stuff off of servers, then one can also put stuff on.

Just listened to Sean Hannity's radio show in the car. He had on two world-class level cyber security experts to interview about their inside knowledge of HildaBeast's server/email controversy. It was shocking to listen to a review from recognized non-partisan authorities speaking on this subject.

In addition to them both stating that her personal cyber security program was 'child's play' compared to a professional security system, they made two major points.

1.) Both agreed that the chances of Russia AND China both having her entire server is 'as close to being 100% without saying 100%'.

2.) (The most shocking of all) By allowing a remote access server to be tied into the main State Department system, it is almost assured that her stupid server opened a backdoor portal into the government's State Departments computer network and it is probable that one or both of these countries have the entire computer network of the State Department.

In addition, it is likely that having backdoor access to the State Department system would lead to a number of portal doors opening to an unknown number of security agencies including NSA, FBI, DOJ, White House etc. The consequences of what this could mean is nearly unfathomable.

So, here it is in a nutshell. HildaBeast's actions has led to the LARGEST BREACH OF US CYBER SECURITY IN AMERICAN HISTORY!! HER ACTIONS MAY HAVE UNTOLD CONSEQUENCES FOR YOU AND YOUR FAMILY FOR AT LEAST A GENERATION OR SO!

Hillary 'f*ck you' Clinton singlehandedly has placed the future of our nation and 300+ million people in grave danger. She makes Snowden or Assange look like school-yard children.

We did it folks. We elected an horrific man to be president and then elected him again after we knew who he really was due to a national moment of sheer insanity. BO made a deal with the devil (his first?) to get elected by promising HildaBeast the State Department in return for her getting out of the race. HildaBeast then went on to hand over the most valuable information in the world to all of our enemies, either unknowingly (because she is old and stupid) or knowingly (because she personifies pure evil).

Oh, did I fail to mention HildaBeast wants to be your president?

 

[Knowing]

Just because Hillary says it wasn't classified when she processed it across an uncertified information system doesn't mean that it's not classified now while it still resides on an uncertified information system.

This is why people who don't want a security violation leave their cellphones and two way car alarm key fobs in the lockers outside the door where they belong. People who don't want to go to jail don't put 'totes not classified' on their home servers for reasons.

 

[Jhhnn]

Just because Hillary says it wasn't classified when she processed it across an uncertified information system doesn't mean that it's not classified now while it still resides on an uncertified information system.

This is why people who don't want a security violation leave their cellphones and two way car alarm key fobs in the lockers outside the door where they belong. People who don't want to go to jail don't put 'totes not classified' on their home servers for reasons.

Incorrect. As SoS she declared the information non-classified which is how it stays if & until reclassified later. Any SoS can do that, and it seems likely that only another SoS or the President or their designee can make such information classified.

 

[Jhhnn]

One of the reasons why security is such a big deal is touched on by the copy of the post below found on GLP.

I would add also that if one is able to take stuff off of servers, then one can also put stuff on.

Sean Hannity? Really? You represent him as a credible source?

 

[UberNeuman]

Rightwingers are gonna have an upcoming long hard eight years ahead...

\the pox you cast now = the pox you've held reverent all these years...

 

[ivwshane]

:biggrin:



Learning happening in this thread!

The question of the legality of her actions is still being looked at.. so this certainly isn't the end of it.

No it is not.

 

[Jhhnn]

:biggrin:



Learning happening in this thread!

The question of the legality of her actions is still being looked at.. so this certainly isn't the end of it.

Only by fools. As SoS, she has the power & the right to classify or not classify information at will. She also had the right to send & store such non-classified information anywhere she damned well pleased, as did her predecessors.

Too simple, obviously.