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Clinical Depression

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Originally posted by: Reck
get out and about exercise that sort of thing. i should probably take my own advice. lol. A simple natural method though is an herb called "st johns wort". it's supposedly nearly as effective as ssris.

no, actually it's not. i read the research, and st. john's wort has not been shown to be more effective than a placebo. SSRI's, on the other hand, have been shown to more effective than placebos.

SSRI's can be effective for a number of problems, including depression. the "worst" side effect you are likely to have is "sexual dysfunction." which basically means it may be a little tougher to keep it up or orgasm. i took an SSRI for a while once and personally found that my feeling generally better more than offset any effect the drug may have had on my sex drive. i wanted sex more than ever, and i had no performance issues. others aren't so lucky... you'll just have to try them and see how you do.

basically, take a little look at yourself first. first off: have you been depressed for more than two weeks? if so, you need to see someone. if not, wait it out and see if you feel better in a bit, cause you're just having the blues and it's not really "depression" yet. next, if you've been feeling bad for more than two weeks, you might want to think about your life and see if there are any specific things that you can attribute to making you sad. if there are, you will probably be best served by seeing a psychologist, who will work with you with your issues and help you learn about yourself and how to make yourself feel better. if you can't think of anything that's making you feel bad, see a psychiatrist, who is a little like a psychologist, but he can prescribe drugs, and almost certainly will. Psychiatrists mostly try to solve things with pills, so if your problem is a physical chemical imbalance, then pills are the right solution. don't be afraid to try them... after all, you hate your life (and maybe yourself) as it is, so why fear change?

i took them for a year... i feel like they helped me get over a little hump. after a year or so, i felt like i had developed enough of my own coping mechanisms to handle my depression on my own, and still remain functional. you CAN tell the difference between yourself on the drug and your "real" self, and i prefered myself clean. so basically they helped me... up to a point.

as mentioned, religious people really do tend to be happier. there is no cause/effect established between those things, though. it could easily be attributed to a number of other things that religious people tend to be (stupid? 😉 ). that and the guaranteed social support that comes from being in any organization like that. but the correlation is there, regardless.

opticalmace is somewhat correct about detachment. unfortunately, it's not that simple. suffice to say that if you are not capable of feeling strong emotion, it is a PROBLEM and a hindrence to "enlightenment." worry about nirvana and ego-death and all that tasty stuff after you've got your sh!t sorted out. 😉

edit: one last thing about SSRI's. there are incorrect rumors that SSRI's cause increased risk of suicide. again, SSRI's are CORRELATED with increased risk of suicide. but it has also been found that ANY person who is on the "upswing" from a bout of depression is at increased risk for suicide. basically, it's when you feel stronger than you finally have the "strengh" to kill yourself. SSRI's haven't been found to be any worse than normal people on the upswing.
 
Religion is called the opiate of the masses for good reason. From what I remember, praying brings on a mind state similar to certain kinds of mediation, which can alter your brains function/chemistry and really make you feel better, if only for a time. What is depression after all but a slightly unbalanced brain chemistry. In addition, normal self-healing working it's best when you believe it will (ie. FAITH).

Yes, exercise also is supposed to help for the same reasons. You body releases opiates, among other chemicals when you're working hard. Then there's diet. Blood sugar can have a big effect on your body's chemisty. You eat something high in sugar or simple carbohydrates and you get a blood sugar high for a short period, followed by the depression as your insulin production kicks in, which urges you to eat more high carb snacks.

Then finally drugs, direct chemical application.

All three methods effect the chemicals in your body/brain.
Drugs are the easiest way to go. Almost no actual effort on your part, but you have to just hope you find the right one and it doesn't have side effects that are very negative.
Exercise is tough. It takes time and effort, which is why many people don't do it.
Religion... well needs faith. While the human mind is very capable of fooling itself, if you don't have faith to begin with, you can't expect immediate results. Though the meditation type effects of praying may still help.

IMO. 🙂

PS. I read a lot, but I forget a lot too, so don't take anything I say as.... gospel.
 
Originally posted by: QuitBanningMe
Originally posted by: Linux23
go see a doc. i have been depressed for well over 15 years, and thought it was normal to feel like a shitbag every single day.

go see a doctor now.

Well...did the doc help? If so how? Therapy, pills,....?

i'm still in the process of finding the right medicine. I tried Lexapro, and that caused my heartrate to drop to 50 bpm. Now I have been on Paxil for about a month, I had 1 very good week, but then went into a tailspin again. Doctor upped the dosage to see if that gets me better. Will find out this week.

Don't give up Nebor, talk to someone now.
 
I'm in the same boat, been depressed for about 3 years now. I actually went to a Dr. outside of my parents insurance so they woudn't find out about it, and was diagnosed with bi-polar disorder and clinical depression. I need to save up more money before I can afford therapy or medication.
 
Originally posted by: BigJ
I'm in the same boat, been depressed for about 3 years now. I actually went to a Dr. outside of my parents insurance so they woudn't find out about it, and was diagnosed with bi-polar disorder and clinical depression. I need to save up more money before I can afford therapy or medication.

wow, you're crazy.

j/k 😉
 
Originally posted by: Linux23
Originally posted by: BigJ
I'm in the same boat, been depressed for about 3 years now. I actually went to a Dr. outside of my parents insurance so they woudn't find out about it, and was diagnosed with bi-polar disorder and clinical depression. I need to save up more money before I can afford therapy or medication.

wow, you're crazy.

j/k 😉

Is it that bad your parents find out? Seems like if you can use their insurance you can get help a lot sooner.
 
Originally posted by: Mo0o
Originally posted by: Linux23
Originally posted by: BigJ
I'm in the same boat, been depressed for about 3 years now. I actually went to a Dr. outside of my parents insurance so they woudn't find out about it, and was diagnosed with bi-polar disorder and clinical depression. I need to save up more money before I can afford therapy or medication.

wow, you're crazy.

j/k 😉

Is it that bad your parents find out? Seems like if you can use their insurance you can get help a lot sooner.

and also get support from his parents as well.
 
My dad had something like that. Could'nt even get out of bed for two years but my moms a saint and stuck w/ him. I'll ask how he snapped out of it next week, but I know he was bad. We never that close so I did'nt much care at the time.
 
Good luck Nebor. I've been through what you've been through, and indeed, I'm still partly there some days.

Hope it gets better for you.
 
Originally posted by: BigJ
I'm in the same boat, been depressed for about 3 years now. I actually went to a Dr. outside of my parents insurance so they woudn't find out about it, and was diagnosed with bi-polar disorder and clinical depression. I need to save up more money before I can afford therapy or medication.

how old are you?
 
Originally posted by: Riprorin
Originally posted by: Mo0o
Careful with the mental illness + religion, lots of serial killers are whacked out peeps with uberfundamental religious upbringings

Study after study have shown that people who have religious faith are more mentally healthy than people without faith.

God = Drugs.


Fixed.
 
My story goes like this...
Depression, alcohol, more depression, more alcohol, alcoholism, anxiety, anxiety attacks, obsessive compulsion, doctors, drugs, different drugs, more doctors, different drugs, gun in mouth, no balls to pull the trigger, AA, God.
The difficulty of finding God after he fvcked me over for so many years became easy when I threw his ass out on the street and got a new one.
I don't have any religion, but I do have an all-knowing all-seeing presence that takes care of whatever I can't handle.
Yes, it's irrational. The whole premise spits in the face of my supreme intelligence.
I don't have the desire to kill anyone or kill myself anymore. I don't spend every waking hour drunk. I'm happier than I ever thought I could be.
I'll take the trade-off.
 
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