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his example is bogus at best...that is such a ridiculous premise......Care to elaborate?
Banned at almost every place in downtown san diego worth going to. I approve. You usually get one warning from the bouncer then get kicked out.
The FDA did a chemical analysis on samples of the liquids used in e-cigs. There are ~70 known carcinogens in cigarette smoke. They found 1 of them in the e-cigs, and that in a concentration of 1:10,000 of the concentration found in cigarettes. You get more carcingens breathing the air near a public road, by far.
So far as the smell goes, it is very faint at best, and does not persist more than a few seconds.
There is no reason to ban or restrict e-cigs. None at all.
So they should ban the nicotine gums and patches as well...since we don't know the effects of second hand gum breath or second hand patch sweat.
sad thing is diesel fuel smoke is more toxic, but nobody cares.......
Bunch of fucking whiny nancy-boys in this thread.
"I don't like something, so I think it should be banned."
The FDA did a chemical analysis on samples of the liquids used in e-cigs. There are ~70 known carcinogens in cigarette smoke. They found 1 of them in the e-cigs, and that in a concentration of 1:10,000 of the concentration found in cigarettes. You get more carcingens breathing the air near a public road, by far.
So far as the smell goes, it is very faint at best, and does not persist more than a few seconds.
There is no reason to ban or restrict e-cigs. None at all.
Op the poison you are drinking at the bar is far more harmful to you than the vapor of a ecig. How about you just stfu.
I have ecigarettes, but its not nicotine in them
The FDA did a chemical analysis on samples of the liquids used in e-cigs. There are ~70 known carcinogens in cigarette smoke. They found 1 of them in the e-cigs, and that in a concentration of 1:10,000 of the concentration found in cigarettes. You get more carcingens breathing the air near a public road, by far.
So far as the smell goes, it is very faint at best, and does not persist more than a few seconds.
There is no reason to ban or restrict e-cigs. None at all.
To be serious for a moment. This is a money grab. Cities want to impose the same taxes on e-cigs as are found on regular cigarettes and are attempting to paint e-cigs in the same light to do so and get that gravy train of tax dollars rolling. So no this isn't about "Protecting the children" or evidence of actual public health related concerns.
According to politicians and fearful people there is and it is......."THE CHILDREN !! THINK OF THE CHILDREN !!! WHY DO YOU HATE THE CHILDREN !!! Do you want them to get hooked on e-cigs and die!!!????"
To be serious for a moment. This is a money grab. Cities want to impose the same taxes on e-cigs as are found on regular cigarettes and are attempting to paint e-cigs in the same light to do so and get that gravy train of tax dollars rolling. So no this isn't about "Protecting the children" or evidence of actual public health related concerns.
The FDA did a chemical analysis on samples of the liquids used in e-cigs. There are ~70 known carcinogens in cigarette smoke. They found 1 of them in the e-cigs, and that in a concentration of 1:10,000 of the concentration found in cigarettes. You get more carcingens breathing the air near a public road, by far.
I'm aware of that. But I don't like people blowing smoke or vapor around me. So I'm willing to use any angle to push them into the same legal realm as cigarettes. Health hazards, tax evasion, "Gateway drug," etc.
I'm aware of that. But I don't like people blowing smoke or vapor around me. So I'm willing to use any angle to push them into the same legal realm as cigarettes. Health hazards, tax evasion, "Gateway drug," etc.
According to politicians and fearful people there is and it is......."THE CHILDREN !! THINK OF THE CHILDREN !!! WHY DO YOU HATE THE CHILDREN !!! Do you want them to get hooked on e-cigs and die!!!????"
To be serious for a moment. This is a money grab. Cities want to impose the same taxes on e-cigs as are found on regular cigarettes and are attempting to paint e-cigs in the same light to do so and get that gravy train of tax dollars rolling. So no this isn't about "Protecting the children" or evidence of actual public health related concerns.
This is a misuse of government to further one's private agenda. I can't think of a more irresponsible or less civic minded attitude. I even think government can sometimes do good things, but banning e-cigs isn't one of them. It may just cause millions of premature deaths.
The real trouble is cultural. For decades NGO's like the American Cancer Society were educating the public about the harm of cigarette smoking, and for quite a while this was a good thing, with smoking now being half as frequent as it used to be. The problem is, somewhere along the way, people began to view smoking as a moral issue rather than a health issue. Cigarettes and nicotine became "evil" - not just merely a health hazard.
Along comes e-cigs and other harm reduced alternatives which are helping the incorrigible smokers get away from cigarettes, and the general public treats them with extreme suspicion. As soon as they hear that they contain nicotine, it is presumed that they are somehow deadly, because nicotine is satanic, right? Never mind that on its own it is completely harmless - addictive, to be sure - but otherwise harmless. The average person is shocked to learn this. Decades of education has caused half the smokers to quit, but has also caused the general public to oppose safer alternatives for the other half, the ones who had the biggest trouble quitting. And the NGO's are part of the problem. They literally lie about e-cigs on their websites because they too have begun to view this as a moral issue. They've forgotten their Hippocratic oaths and obligation to promote health and have become something more akin to religious crusaders.
So far as politicians and the moves to ban e-cigs, these are just following the current zeitgeist.