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not true, they still have an odor, not as bad as tobacco, but they still smell. a lot depends on the drops used.Since you don't smell it, why would you care? Because they look smug? What's worse are obese people, they stink and it isn't even from cigs. D:
Oh god no! People like the OP dont want people to have the freedom of choice. They want to ban something because the people using it look "smug".Can't an establishment just put up a no e-cigs sign? Seems everything needs legislation. As a consumer you can just take your business to the non e-cig places.
Can't an establishment just put up a no e-cigs sign? Seems everything needs legislation. As a consumer you can just take your business to the non e-cig places.
This. But again, it's the usual suspects that need laws to protect them from the things they don't like; but don't you dare go doing that to them. Let individual establishments decide and then let people vote with their wallets.Oh god no! People like the OP dont want people to have the freedom of choice. They want to ban something because the people using it look "smug".
No, it wouldn't be like bringing a gun to school.The health effects of second hand vapor are still unknown. Furthermore, I don't like smokers, and I really don't like them playing "gotcha" with a new technology that skirts existing laws. It'd be like if someone invented a ray gun and brought it to school and then shot it around all over the place saying, "Hurr durr, it's not a gun!"
It wouldn't take much of a change to most places' existing laws regarding cigarettes in public spaces. Just make the e-cigs and other vapor devices a kind of cigarette legally.
Next, if a smoker so much as TOUCHES anything (like a package being delivered from a UPS/FedEx delivery person who smokes, you food being prepared by someone who smoked up to 2 hours ago) - incinerate them,.. the smoker.So they should ban the nicotine gums and patches as well...since we don't know the effects of second hand gum breath or second hand patch sweat.
Probably cause that never happens in reality. It could happen, but rarely if ever do you see it in action. If allowed all bars would allow e-cigs. So legislation is brought in to make it happen. Its just the way the world works.Can't an establishment just put up a no e-cigs sign? Seems everything needs legislation. As a consumer you can just take your business to the non e-cig places.
Not for libertarians it's not.Probably cause that never happens in reality. It could happen, but rarely if ever do you see it in action. If allowed all bars would allow e-cigs. So legislation is brought in to make it happen. Its just the way the world works.
You're right, it'd be like bringing an unknown chemical weapon to school.No, it wouldn't be like bringing a gun to school.
Your analogy got worse and more desperate.You're right, it'd be like bringing an unknown chemical weapon to school.
These things shouldn't even be allowed for sale until they've been thoroughly vetted by the Surgeon General's office, much less allowed in public exposing non-consenting adults and children to their potentially dangerous vapors.
This. We had two techs here that stunk the office up with their ecigs. Thankfully the bossman told them to go outside.not true, they still have an odor, not as bad as tobacco, but they still smell. a lot depends on the drops used.
Shall we take bets on whether e-cigs are banned from public use much like cigarettes in the next 5 years? I'm not desperate, I'm on the winning side.Your analogy got worse and more desperate.
Oh I am sure they will be banned. That is what you nanny staters do. But that doesn't mean your analogies weren't terrible.Shall we take bets on whether e-cigs are banned from public use much like cigarettes in the next 5 years? I'm not desperate, I'm on the winning side.![]()
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUEjnoWpdaoThe health effects of second hand vapor are still unknown. Furthermore, I don't like smokers, and I really don't like them playing "gotcha" with a new technology that skirts existing laws. It'd be like if someone invented a ray gun and brought it to school and then shot it around all over the place saying, "Hurr durr, it's not a gun!"
It wouldn't take much of a change to most places' existing laws regarding cigarettes in public spaces. Just make the e-cigs and other vapor devices a kind of cigarette legally.
They actually are known; Have you ever been to a concert with a fog machine? It's the same "vapor". All that's in these e-juices are propylene glycol, vegetable glycerin, and food flavorings. These are all things people have been ingesting for years and are known to be safe.The health effects of second hand vapor are still unknown. Furthermore, I don't like smokers, and I really don't like them playing "gotcha" with a new technology that skirts existing laws. It'd be like if someone invented a ray gun and brought it to school and then shot it around all over the place saying, "Hurr durr, it's not a gun!"
It wouldn't take much of a change to most places' existing laws regarding cigarettes in public spaces. Just make the e-cigs and other vapor devices a kind of cigarette legally.
Ridiculous. Stop spewing legitimate common sense in the forums.Can't an establishment just put up a no e-cigs sign? Seems everything needs legislation. As a consumer you can just take your business to the non e-cig places.
You ever think that the reason this wouldn't be the case, is because it isn't actually supported by a majority of the market? In this case bar-goers?Not for libertarians it's not.![]()
Cigarettes make sense to ban in a lot of public settings because there is a legitimate health risk for those who aren't making the choice to smoke. But since that second hand risk isn't there for e-cigs, banning just makes no sense. It helps a lot of people get away from smoking. If they're going to be forced to go outside anyway, that takes away a lot of the motivation smokers have to move to e-cigs.Oh god no! People like the OP dont want people to have the freedom of choice. They want to ban something because the people using it look "smug".
spoken like a true idiot......So they should ban the nicotine gums and patches as well...since we don't know the effects of second hand gum breath or second hand patch sweat.