Lemon law
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-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Originally posted by: Fern
Who cares? They shouldn't be allowed to vote anyway.
GFern
When asked about his belief in God during the process of immigrating to the United States, Albert Einstein replied that " he believed in the God that Spinoza believed in."
Immigration permission granted.
And if its good enough for Einstein its good enough for me.
http://www.philosophypages.com/ph/spin.htm
Jaskalas
Lifer
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Big spenders are the majority, when the Republicans turn against them they lose everything. The Republican party only exists today because it adopted pro-government positions, the religious right is in an ever shrinking un-electable minority. It was the neo-con position that allowed the center of the country to forget about religion and vote for more authoritarian measures.
If Republicans do not hold those values, the Democrats will most certainly hold it for them and gain those votes and absolute government control.
So the real question is, if we do not hold onto our conservative values what is the purpose of getting elected? It?d be useless to win by swooning over Democrats by promising big-spending, it?d be like selling our soul to the devil ? yet that?s all we?ve been doing these past seven years.
Perhaps it is time to agree with this notion. That we must abolish the Republicans who are in favor of big spending and more government. That will leave us with a Democratic super majority but at least we?d have the basis for a true opposition to them instead of pandering and begging like dogs to get elected.
If this party doesn?t stand up against more government, then this party need not stand at all.
umbrella39
Lifer
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Hey, why do we need to take them. Kick them over to the Libertarian Party instead, they could use some controversy.
Lemon law
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Thats also the paradox of a no the republican no abortion stand. You thereby get more people to hate and exploit because sex is always a human addiction. And hated and exploited people tend to become democrats to protect themselves from the very people who hate and exploit them. So the democrats get in charge, make things better, and the hated and exploited start to vote republican. Then the Republican bring back exploitation by the few. Thereby increasing democratic support among the exploited.
And so the cycle slowly repeats until some Republican breaks the system so badly that it can't recover. It may not be hell but its certainly like Haiti. And since there is nothing productive that can be done, what the heck, have more sex.
And since the church can do nothing to make life better on earth, they do gangbuster business in having more souls to save. Then have some jolly wars to kill off some of the excess population. Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition.
Of course the atomic age now brings in a new kind of sex. We can now start with Uranium and breed Plutonium.
And so the cycle slowly repeats until some Republican breaks the system so badly that it can't recover. It may not be hell but its certainly like Haiti. And since there is nothing productive that can be done, what the heck, have more sex.
And since the church can do nothing to make life better on earth, they do gangbuster business in having more souls to save. Then have some jolly wars to kill off some of the excess population. Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition.
Of course the atomic age now brings in a new kind of sex. We can now start with Uranium and breed Plutonium.
JulesMaximus
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Giuliani is the only one on that list who I'd actually consider voting for.
I'd vote for Hillary over the rest of that lot though.
I'd vote for Hillary over the rest of that lot though.
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I don't have to write a thesis statement in every thread I make, nor would you be likely to find it based on similar comments you made in another thread of mine. Frankly, I'm not sure what's unclear; I bolded parts of the article I felt were interesting and relevant.
CADsortaGUY
Lifer
CADsortaGUY
Lifer
I do believe there was some talk about this after the 2000 election and then in 2004. While it may be true that turnout is imperitive, it does not mean all evangelicals are Conservative.
<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.slate.com/id/2089641/">Myth 1: Evangelicals all vote Republican. People often confuse the words "fundamentalist" and "evangelical." Fundamentalists are very conservative and almost entirely Republican because they view the deterioration of traditional morality as the primary public policy crisis. But fundamentalists are a subset of evangelicals, which is a more diverse group.
John Green, a professor at the University of Akron and the foremost scholar of evangelical voting behavior, spliced and diced data some time ago and managed to delineate a group of moderate evangelicals. I like to call them "freestyle evangelicals" because they are socially more liberal (they don't vote strictly for pro-life candidates, for example) and politically "in play." There are about 8 million to 10 million of them. This group went for Bill Clinton 55 percent to 45 percent over Dole in 1996* and 55 percent to 45 percent for W. over Gore in 2000. That's a swing of about a million votes.</a>
It seems in 2K4 there was a surge in religious "progressives" too.
The problem here is that the media likes the word "evangeligal" but that doesn't mean it's Conservatives. I think there is an Evangelical split that is being ignored regarding this topic.
However, I do believe that the "Fundie Right" has less relevance/sway as of late which is not such a bad thing.
As if I'm in some sort of position to educate others on envirnmental issues?
It's a church service. Not a newscast!
I'll let the media and Al Gore do that.
Lawl!
You couldnt be farther from the truth.
The reason abortion/gay marrige are brought up around election time is because candidates believe they can sway voters who find those issues to be important. That doesnt change the fact that no matter election time or not, conservatives still care about those isses.
Your opinion of envirnmental issues being more important that abortion or gay marriage shows just how complete polar oppposite you are from those college aged Christians I referred to.
Matthew 10:34-38
"Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I have come to turn
a man against his father,
a daughter against her mother,
a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law -
a man's enemies will be the members of his own household.
Anyone who loves his father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; anyone who loves his son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me; and anyone who does not take his cross and follow me is not worthy of me." ~ Jesus Christ
I fear God and guarantee you that I won't be voting for Giuliani if he's the RN.
I don't think you'll find many college aged people who care about abortion or, especially, gay marriage the same way you do...not even when you narrow it down to college aged Christians. Abortion has been settled law since most of them were born, and you're going to have a hard time finding very many people under 30 threatened by something that has been socially acceptable for most of their life. Not that there aren't younger social conservatives, it's just that they are very few and far between. Given enough time, those issues will disappear as viable election strategies when politicians discover not very many people care any more.
Of course the point really is that brining those issues up around election time is just a blatant attempt to manipulate social conservatives. Yeah, I know you guys CARE about those issues, but how MUCH should you really care? This goes double for gay marriage, but every election, both issues are trotted out and you guys start slobbering over the issue...and nobody seems to stop and think about whether or not that's a smart strategy. In the case of abortion, especially, you might care a lot, but you've been supporting Republicans in election after election despite the fact that they have NEVER done a single thing to further your cause. They've been running on that old chestnut for several decades now, and each and every time they know they can count on the support of millions of people without having to produce a single tangible result. It's like Christmas for Republicans, they've managed to find the most naive group of voters in the country and convince them to vote Republican with the mindless enthusiasm usually reserved for teenage boys and Jessica Alba movies.
I'm not dismissing the validity of your viewpoint here. I disagree with your stance on abortion and gay marriage, but reasonable people can differ. But when it comes to politics, you guys are morons. The Republicans have these perfect wedge issues that they've managed to convince you they feel strongly about, and on that alone you give them your total support. I have to admire the Republicans for having such a great strategy, but it should be pretty obvious that you're being manipulated here...and it would seem that maybe the wheels are coming off that particular wagon.
Yeah, I've read the Bible too...anybody can memorize words. But you know what, the words are not the message. It's easy to find a few sentences to support just about any idea you like, the point is to read it in CONTEXT. And following that theory of Christianity, it's pretty unbelievable that CONSERVATIVES seem to feel they can lay claim to the entirety of Christian beliefs.
Your entire post is based on your opinion. You have no interaction with college aged Christians, and therefore, have no valid argument to make. I WONt even bother with the rest of your post.
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No, actually, it's pretty well known that social conservativism has been dying for about 40 years now as younger generations become more accustomed to Supreme Court rulings such as Roe v. Wade (which'll never be overturned). For example, the issue of gay marriage today will eventually be known as the 1948 equivalent of Strom Thurmond running on a segregationist platform. It'll be looked back on in the same way (i.e. severely frowned upon), because the homosexual rights movement is only just getting started today, much like the Civil Rights Movement got started a few years after Thurmond's run for President.
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True, not all evangelicals are conservative, but a solid majority are. There are indepedents who are on the fence in every part of the political spectrum save for the very fringes of the left and right. That said, the evidence is there that most evangelicals and, indeed, religious persons in the U.S. consider themselves more conservative/Republican than they do liberal/Democrat. There's a good book about it here.
That may start changing though.
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