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ericlp

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Originally posted by: Prism
This just seems like an oxymoron to me, at least by our country's (USA) current examples of Republicans. Last time I checked, Christians are supposed to be all about helping your fellow man, not forcing your ideals on others, and not murdering people.

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Well, like any good religion ... The bible especially ... More blood has been shed over that book then any book in history... Want a war? Just mention religion it seems...

Uh, don't you know that pretty much all of the religion's are based on greed and the dollar? What? We only got this much? Pass the bucket around the fourth time! Dig deep people. God loves you...

And when was it ok to discuss politics and religion? They don't mix ... This nation was founded on separation.... Remember we were all running away from the brits and the bible...

Hmmm, what country should we run away to next? Maybe China I don't know...


 

prism

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Originally posted by: ericlp
Originally posted by: Prism
This just seems like an oxymoron to me, at least by our country's (USA) current examples of Republicans. Last time I checked, Christians are supposed to be all about helping your fellow man, not forcing your ideals on others, and not murdering people.

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Well, like any good religion ... The bible especially ... More blood has been shed over that book then any book in history... Want a war? Just mention religion it seems...

Uh, don't you know that pretty much all of the religion's are based on greed and the dollar? What? We only got this much? Pass the bucket around the fourth time! Dig deep people. God loves you...

And when was it ok to discuss politics and religion? They don't mix ... This nation was founded on separation.... Remember we were all running away from the brits and the bible...

Hmmm, what country should we run away to next? Maybe China I don't know...
And this one of many reasons why I remain non-denominational and don't go to any form of church or participate in organized religion.
 

ericlp

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Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Hey look, another Christian bashing troll thread. :roll:
Shouldn't you be at church?


Look away or your gonna burn in hell!
 

blackangst1

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Well. Good thing those bible reading church going Democrats are such an example. Nice flame though.

And for the record, as cliche as it is, the only difference between Christians and not is forgiveness. No where in the bible or any of its teachings does it teach Chistians are "better" than anyone. But I know ots fun to bash them and Republicans.
 

prism

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Originally posted by: blackangst1
Well. Good thing those bible reading church going Democrats are such an example. Nice flame though.

And for the record, as cliche as it is, the only difference between Christians and not is forgiveness. No where in the bible or any of its teachings does it teach Chistians are "better" than anyone. But I know ots fun to bash them and Republicans.
I don't understand either of your points. Please elaborate on the first one.

As for the second, I NEVER stated that Christians are better than anyone. I said that in the Bible, it says that you should be a good person by doing things like I said in the OP such as helping out your fellow man, not being a murderer, etc. I really don't know what you're trying to argue here.
 

blackangst1

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Originally posted by: Prism
Originally posted by: blackangst1
Well. Good thing those bible reading church going Democrats are such an example. Nice flame though.

And for the record, as cliche as it is, the only difference between Christians and not is forgiveness. No where in the bible or any of its teachings does it teach Chistians are "better" than anyone. But I know ots fun to bash them and Republicans.
I don't understand either of your points. Please elaborate on the first one.

As for the second, I NEVER stated that Christians are better than anyone. I said that in the Bible, it says that you should be a good person by doing things like I said in the OP such as helping out your fellow man, not being a murderer, etc. I really don't know what you're trying to argue here.
To quote your OP:
his just seems like an oxymoron to me, at least by our country's (USA) current examples of Republicans. Last time I checked, Christians are supposed to be all about helping your fellow man, not forcing your ideals on others, and not murdering people.

Seems to me that this is exactly the opposite of what Republicans are all about. They like to:
-Give tax cuts to the rich and spend less money on education and health care
-Pretty much tell people they're worthless if they're not Christian (Ann Coulter and the late Rev. Falwell to name a couple)
-Go to war (and stay there)

So...why do the majority of "Christians" in this country vote Republican? I don't think they should be allowed to call themselves Christians; at least the ones that agree with these currently predominantly Republican ideals (but they shouldn't be voting for these candidates that do support it in the first place).
First, in your opening line, you clearly link Christians with GOP. I can very easily pull out bible passages that completely trash the Dems. So why single out Republicans? Hasnt the last few Dem presidents made it a point to make it known they attend church?

Second. Your first point about tax cuts IS in line with biblical guidelines. The bible clearly lays out its the PEOPLE'S responsiblily to take care of the poor, not the government's. Second, post a link to Falwell and Coulter saying non-Christians are worthless. I wont hold my breath.

Why do most Christians vote GOP instead? Because, although the core of the GOP has been trashed lately, the traditional view of the GOP is smaller government, less taxes, and free market. As I stated above, Christ advocated the PEOPLE taking care of the people, not the government. I'd love to see a quote showing God recommends government providing that help. Also, the "prosperity" doctrine is also biblical, as are many teachings on poverty. The bible makes no distinction faith-wise between the two, only that if handled appropriately, both lifestyles are biblical.
 

Rainsford

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Originally posted by: blackangst1
Originally posted by: Prism
Originally posted by: blackangst1
Well. Good thing those bible reading church going Democrats are such an example. Nice flame though.

And for the record, as cliche as it is, the only difference between Christians and not is forgiveness. No where in the bible or any of its teachings does it teach Chistians are "better" than anyone. But I know ots fun to bash them and Republicans.
I don't understand either of your points. Please elaborate on the first one.

As for the second, I NEVER stated that Christians are better than anyone. I said that in the Bible, it says that you should be a good person by doing things like I said in the OP such as helping out your fellow man, not being a murderer, etc. I really don't know what you're trying to argue here.
To quote your OP:
his just seems like an oxymoron to me, at least by our country's (USA) current examples of Republicans. Last time I checked, Christians are supposed to be all about helping your fellow man, not forcing your ideals on others, and not murdering people.

Seems to me that this is exactly the opposite of what Republicans are all about. They like to:
-Give tax cuts to the rich and spend less money on education and health care
-Pretty much tell people they're worthless if they're not Christian (Ann Coulter and the late Rev. Falwell to name a couple)
-Go to war (and stay there)

So...why do the majority of "Christians" in this country vote Republican? I don't think they should be allowed to call themselves Christians; at least the ones that agree with these currently predominantly Republican ideals (but they shouldn't be voting for these candidates that do support it in the first place).
First, in your opening line, you clearly link Christians with GOP. I can very easily pull out bible passages that completely trash the Dems. So why single out Republicans? Hasnt the last few Dem presidents made it a point to make it known they attend church?

Second. Your first point about tax cuts IS in line with biblical guidelines. The bible clearly lays out its the PEOPLE'S responsiblily to take care of the poor, not the government's. Second, post a link to Falwell and Coulter saying non-Christians are worthless. I wont hold my breath.

Why do most Christians vote GOP instead? Because, although the core of the GOP has been trashed lately, the traditional view of the GOP is smaller government, less taxes, and free market. As I stated above, Christ advocated the PEOPLE taking care of the people, not the government. I'd love to see a quote showing God recommends government providing that help. Also, the "prosperity" doctrine is also biblical, as are many teachings on poverty. The bible makes no distinction faith-wise between the two, only that if handled appropriately, both lifestyles are biblical.
"The government" isn't some monolithic entity thrust upon us by aliens, we live in a democracy...what the government does is an extension of what we the people want it to do. If I vote for the government to help the poor, how is that fundamentally different from me helping the poor myself? And none of that "make other people pay for it" noise...I'm a single guy making a fair amount of money, I pay more than my fair share of taxes.
 

blackangst1

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Originally posted by: Rainsford
Originally posted by: blackangst1
Originally posted by: Prism
Originally posted by: blackangst1
Well. Good thing those bible reading church going Democrats are such an example. Nice flame though.

And for the record, as cliche as it is, the only difference between Christians and not is forgiveness. No where in the bible or any of its teachings does it teach Chistians are "better" than anyone. But I know ots fun to bash them and Republicans.
I don't understand either of your points. Please elaborate on the first one.

As for the second, I NEVER stated that Christians are better than anyone. I said that in the Bible, it says that you should be a good person by doing things like I said in the OP such as helping out your fellow man, not being a murderer, etc. I really don't know what you're trying to argue here.
To quote your OP:
his just seems like an oxymoron to me, at least by our country's (USA) current examples of Republicans. Last time I checked, Christians are supposed to be all about helping your fellow man, not forcing your ideals on others, and not murdering people.

Seems to me that this is exactly the opposite of what Republicans are all about. They like to:
-Give tax cuts to the rich and spend less money on education and health care
-Pretty much tell people they're worthless if they're not Christian (Ann Coulter and the late Rev. Falwell to name a couple)
-Go to war (and stay there)

So...why do the majority of "Christians" in this country vote Republican? I don't think they should be allowed to call themselves Christians; at least the ones that agree with these currently predominantly Republican ideals (but they shouldn't be voting for these candidates that do support it in the first place).
First, in your opening line, you clearly link Christians with GOP. I can very easily pull out bible passages that completely trash the Dems. So why single out Republicans? Hasnt the last few Dem presidents made it a point to make it known they attend church?

Second. Your first point about tax cuts IS in line with biblical guidelines. The bible clearly lays out its the PEOPLE'S responsiblily to take care of the poor, not the government's. Second, post a link to Falwell and Coulter saying non-Christians are worthless. I wont hold my breath.

Why do most Christians vote GOP instead? Because, although the core of the GOP has been trashed lately, the traditional view of the GOP is smaller government, less taxes, and free market. As I stated above, Christ advocated the PEOPLE taking care of the people, not the government. I'd love to see a quote showing God recommends government providing that help. Also, the "prosperity" doctrine is also biblical, as are many teachings on poverty. The bible makes no distinction faith-wise between the two, only that if handled appropriately, both lifestyles are biblical.
"The government" isn't some monolithic entity thrust upon us by aliens, we live in a democracy...what the government does is an extension of what we the people want it to do. If I vote for the government to help the poor, how is that fundamentally different from me helping the poor myself? And none of that "make other people pay for it" noise...I'm a single guy making a fair amount of money, I pay more than my fair share of taxes.
I understand. I was responding to the Christian slant, correcting Prism's lack of understanding (no slam meant).
 

Jaskalas

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Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Hey look, another Christian bashing troll thread. :roll:
It's those Christians and Americans who are evil. Bash Christians and you?re a patriot, bash any other group and by god man, what are you some kind of bigot, a racist, a Xenophobe, some kind of Islamophobe?

The bias is overwhelming.

Originally posted by: Skoorb
I also find it very strange that a lot of Christians apparently have no problem with things like capital punishment and wars where a great deal of people die for no good reason.
People died in WW2, should we have been patsies and avoided our participation? Debate any particular war you want, but to suggest people must be pacifists to be good is abhorrent and stinks of the deepest of liberal ideals.

Things like genocide aren?t stopped or prevented by anything OTHER than force against those who would commit them. Just like jailing a murderer. Again, debate any particular war you want, but your message appears to be so much more generalized.

Originally posted by: Prism
-Give tax cuts to the rich and spend less money on education and health care
I find that a bit misleading. You say this to promote socialism, no? Capitalism is the economic structure that made us the greatest nation on this planet. Should we abandon it and dive into third world poverty instead? Is that good for the people?

-Pretty much tell people they're worthless if they're not Christian (Ann Coulter and the late Rev. Falwell to name a couple)
That?s what every religion says. Hell, that?s what every political party says. That?s what you are saying in your post. You don?t argue a point by saying the other side might the good and right, it?s all about partisanship. That has to do with politics, not religion.

-Go to war (and stay there)
1: Read the reply to Skoorb above.
2: Once again, that is politics not religion as the driving force behind it.
 

tweaker2

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the way things happened in the runup toward having GW and his neocon pals take over the white house, it seems that the religious right got used the same way colin powell got used and then pushed off to the side and abandoned once their value as vote getters was cashed in.

it's quite obvious that the same methods were used to get bush elected as it was to get us to invade iraq; namely, false pretense, false premise, false patriotism and false godliness.
 

ericlp

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Originally posted by: blackangst1
Well. Good thing those bible reading church going Democrats are such an example. Nice flame though.

And for the record, as cliche as it is, the only difference between Christians and not is forgiveness. No where in the bible or any of its teachings does it teach Chistians are "better" than anyone. But I know ots fun to bash them and Republicans.
That's funny ... All my cristain friends think that THEY are the only ones going to heaven... Maybe I missed something....
 

Moonbeam

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Jaskalas: People died in WW2, should we have been patsies and avoided our participation? Debate any particular war you want, but to suggest people must be pacifists to be good is abhorrent and stinks of the deepest of liberal ideals.
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So when Jesus went up on the cross and forgave his killers he was a stinking liberal?
 

prism

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Originally posted by: blackangst1
Originally posted by: Prism
Originally posted by: blackangst1
Well. Good thing those bible reading church going Democrats are such an example. Nice flame though.

And for the record, as cliche as it is, the only difference between Christians and not is forgiveness. No where in the bible or any of its teachings does it teach Chistians are "better" than anyone. But I know ots fun to bash them and Republicans.
I don't understand either of your points. Please elaborate on the first one.

As for the second, I NEVER stated that Christians are better than anyone. I said that in the Bible, it says that you should be a good person by doing things like I said in the OP such as helping out your fellow man, not being a murderer, etc. I really don't know what you're trying to argue here.
To quote your OP:
his just seems like an oxymoron to me, at least by our country's (USA) current examples of Republicans. Last time I checked, Christians are supposed to be all about helping your fellow man, not forcing your ideals on others, and not murdering people.

Seems to me that this is exactly the opposite of what Republicans are all about. They like to:
-Give tax cuts to the rich and spend less money on education and health care
-Pretty much tell people they're worthless if they're not Christian (Ann Coulter and the late Rev. Falwell to name a couple)
-Go to war (and stay there)

So...why do the majority of "Christians" in this country vote Republican? I don't think they should be allowed to call themselves Christians; at least the ones that agree with these currently predominantly Republican ideals (but they shouldn't be voting for these candidates that do support it in the first place).
First, in your opening line, you clearly link Christians with GOP. I can very easily pull out bible passages that completely trash the Dems. So why single out Republicans? Hasnt the last few Dem presidents made it a point to make it known they attend church?

Second. Your first point about tax cuts IS in line with biblical guidelines. The bible clearly lays out its the PEOPLE'S responsiblily to take care of the poor, not the government's. Second, post a link to Falwell and Coulter saying non-Christians are worthless. I wont hold my breath.

Why do most Christians vote GOP instead? Because, although the core of the GOP has been trashed lately, the traditional view of the GOP is smaller government, less taxes, and free market. As I stated above, Christ advocated the PEOPLE taking care of the people, not the government. I'd love to see a quote showing God recommends government providing that help. Also, the "prosperity" doctrine is also biblical, as are many teachings on poverty. The bible makes no distinction faith-wise between the two, only that if handled appropriately, both lifestyles are biblical.
Falwell

Coulter (third paragraph under Religious Views)

Sorry I had to own you so bad.
 

daniel49

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Originally posted by: Prism
This just seems like an oxymoron to me, at least by our country's (USA) current examples of Republicans. Last time I checked, Christians are supposed to be all about helping your fellow man, not forcing your ideals on others, and not murdering people.

Seems to me that this is exactly the opposite of what Republicans are all about. They like to:
-Give tax cuts to the rich and spend less money on education and health care
-Pretty much tell people they're worthless if they're not Christian (Ann Coulter and the late Rev. Falwell to name a couple)
-Go to war (and stay there)

So...why do the majority of "Christians" in this country vote Republican? I don't think they should be allowed to call themselves Christians; at least the ones that agree with these currently predominantly Republican ideals (but they shouldn't be voting for these candidates that do support it in the first place).

EDIT: To the Mods: I meant to post this in P&N, so if you'd be so kind could ya move it over there?
Well actually the democrats had the first opportunity. As you may recall Jesus rode into Jerusalem on the back of an ass.
My guess is the Democrats strayed too far so the Christians jumped on the republican bandwagon.
 

CADsortaGUY

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Originally posted by: ericlp
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Hey look, another Christian bashing troll thread. :roll:
Shouldn't you be at church?


Look away or your gonna burn in hell!
Psstt... I don't go to church. I am a bit like Prism it seems. Very non-denominational(hate "religion" and it's control)

However, it doesn't mean I agree with prism's OP. Like I stated - the liberals are just as caught by his broad brush.
 

atybimf

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Originally posted by: Prism
Seems to me that this is exactly the opposite of what Republicans are all about. They like to:
-Give tax cuts to the rich and spend less money on education and health care
Everyone knows Republicans want to spend less money because they hate poor, sick, children. That's precisely why..

 

Rainsford

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Originally posted by: atybimf
Originally posted by: Prism
Seems to me that this is exactly the opposite of what Republicans are all about. They like to:
-Give tax cuts to the rich and spend less money on education and health care
Everyone knows Republicans want to spend less money because they hate poor, sick, children. That's precisely why..
Since when do Republicans want to spend less money? They want lower TAXES, but that's not really the same thing.

Actually, I think the difference there is a perfect explanation for the motivation. It's not about "hating poor, sick, children". It's about wanting to have more money in their pockets, independent of any other considerations. And I understand the idea, I don't like seeing all those federal and state taxes taken out of my paycheck either...but there is a fine line between actually having a position and just stamping your foot and complaining about it. You want lower taxes? Me too...so let's figure out a way to DO that.
 

sandorski

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Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Jaskalas: People died in WW2, should we have been patsies and avoided our participation? Debate any particular war you want, but to suggest people must be pacifists to be good is abhorrent and stinks of the deepest of liberal ideals.
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So when Jesus went up on the cross and forgave his killers he was a stinking liberal?
Yes, a Pablum puking Liberal. ;)
 

JS80

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Originally posted by: Prism
This just seems like an oxymoron to me, at least by our country's (USA) current examples of Republicans. Last time I checked, Christians are supposed to be all about helping your fellow man, not forcing your ideals on others, and not murdering people.

Seems to me that this is exactly the opposite of what Republicans are all about. They like to:
-Give tax cuts to the rich and spend less money on education and health care
-Pretty much tell people they're worthless if they're not Christian (Ann Coulter and the late Rev. Falwell to name a couple)
-Go to war (and stay there)

So...why do the majority of "Christians" in this country vote Republican? I don't think they should be allowed to call themselves Christians; at least the ones that agree with these currently predominantly Republican ideals (but they shouldn't be voting for these candidates that do support it in the first place).

EDIT: To the Mods: I meant to post this in P&N, so if you'd be so kind could ya move it over there?
You fail understanding of religion and politics.
 

prism

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Originally posted by: JS80
Originally posted by: Prism
This just seems like an oxymoron to me, at least by our country's (USA) current examples of Republicans. Last time I checked, Christians are supposed to be all about helping your fellow man, not forcing your ideals on others, and not murdering people.

Seems to me that this is exactly the opposite of what Republicans are all about. They like to:
-Give tax cuts to the rich and spend less money on education and health care
-Pretty much tell people they're worthless if they're not Christian (Ann Coulter and the late Rev. Falwell to name a couple)
-Go to war (and stay there)

So...why do the majority of "Christians" in this country vote Republican? I don't think they should be allowed to call themselves Christians; at least the ones that agree with these currently predominantly Republican ideals (but they shouldn't be voting for these candidates that do support it in the first place).

EDIT: To the Mods: I meant to post this in P&N, so if you'd be so kind could ya move it over there?
You fail understanding of religion and politics.
Really? Refute any single one of my points. I dare you.
 

blackangst1

Lifer
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Originally posted by: ericlp
Originally posted by: blackangst1
Well. Good thing those bible reading church going Democrats are such an example. Nice flame though.

And for the record, as cliche as it is, the only difference between Christians and not is forgiveness. No where in the bible or any of its teachings does it teach Chistians are "better" than anyone. But I know ots fun to bash them and Republicans.
That's funny ... All my cristain friends think that THEY are the only ones going to heaven... Maybe I missed something....
Sooo....lets assume a few things....your friends distinguish themselves as "better" than those who they think arent? Crazy talk IMHO. Im a Christian and I wouldnt hang out with people like like. A bit too pretentious for me. Going back to biblical values...the attitude people are "better" than someone else because of their faith is NOT a biblical teaching. It's a man-made thing.
 

blackangst1

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Originally posted by: Prism
Originally posted by: blackangst1
Originally posted by: Prism
Originally posted by: blackangst1
Well. Good thing those bible reading church going Democrats are such an example. Nice flame though.

And for the record, as cliche as it is, the only difference between Christians and not is forgiveness. No where in the bible or any of its teachings does it teach Chistians are "better" than anyone. But I know ots fun to bash them and Republicans.
I don't understand either of your points. Please elaborate on the first one.

As for the second, I NEVER stated that Christians are better than anyone. I said that in the Bible, it says that you should be a good person by doing things like I said in the OP such as helping out your fellow man, not being a murderer, etc. I really don't know what you're trying to argue here.
To quote your OP:
his just seems like an oxymoron to me, at least by our country's (USA) current examples of Republicans. Last time I checked, Christians are supposed to be all about helping your fellow man, not forcing your ideals on others, and not murdering people.

Seems to me that this is exactly the opposite of what Republicans are all about. They like to:
-Give tax cuts to the rich and spend less money on education and health care
-Pretty much tell people they're worthless if they're not Christian (Ann Coulter and the late Rev. Falwell to name a couple)
-Go to war (and stay there)

So...why do the majority of "Christians" in this country vote Republican? I don't think they should be allowed to call themselves Christians; at least the ones that agree with these currently predominantly Republican ideals (but they shouldn't be voting for these candidates that do support it in the first place).
First, in your opening line, you clearly link Christians with GOP. I can very easily pull out bible passages that completely trash the Dems. So why single out Republicans? Hasnt the last few Dem presidents made it a point to make it known they attend church?

Second. Your first point about tax cuts IS in line with biblical guidelines. The bible clearly lays out its the PEOPLE'S responsiblily to take care of the poor, not the government's. Second, post a link to Falwell and Coulter saying non-Christians are worthless. I wont hold my breath.

Why do most Christians vote GOP instead? Because, although the core of the GOP has been trashed lately, the traditional view of the GOP is smaller government, less taxes, and free market. As I stated above, Christ advocated the PEOPLE taking care of the people, not the government. I'd love to see a quote showing God recommends government providing that help. Also, the "prosperity" doctrine is also biblical, as are many teachings on poverty. The bible makes no distinction faith-wise between the two, only that if handled appropriately, both lifestyles are biblical.
Falwell

Coulter (third paragraph under Religious Views)

Sorry I had to own you so bad.
Well, your Coulter reference is way off. Not even close to what she was quoted as saying. But Falwell...meh. Close enough. Although another quote on that page is surely more offensive as a Christian "Good Christians, like slaves and soldiers, ask no questions."

THAT is not biblical.

Anyway. The rest of my points still stand. Owned? lol mmmmkay.
 

blackangst1

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Originally posted by: Prism
Originally posted by: JS80
Originally posted by: Prism
This just seems like an oxymoron to me, at least by our country's (USA) current examples of Republicans. Last time I checked, Christians are supposed to be all about helping your fellow man, not forcing your ideals on others, and not murdering people.

Seems to me that this is exactly the opposite of what Republicans are all about. They like to:
-Give tax cuts to the rich and spend less money on education and health care
-Pretty much tell people they're worthless if they're not Christian (Ann Coulter and the late Rev. Falwell to name a couple)
-Go to war (and stay there)

So...why do the majority of "Christians" in this country vote Republican? I don't think they should be allowed to call themselves Christians; at least the ones that agree with these currently predominantly Republican ideals (but they shouldn't be voting for these candidates that do support it in the first place).

EDIT: To the Mods: I meant to post this in P&N, so if you'd be so kind could ya move it over there?
You fail understanding of religion and politics.
Really? Refute any single one of my points. I dare you.
I already did.
 

shrumpage

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Originally posted by: Rainsford
Originally posted by: blackangst1
Originally posted by: Prism
Originally posted by: blackangst1
Well. Good thing those bible reading church going Democrats are such an example. Nice flame though.

And for the record, as cliche as it is, the only difference between Christians and not is forgiveness. No where in the bible or any of its teachings does it teach Chistians are "better" than anyone. But I know ots fun to bash them and Republicans.
I don't understand either of your points. Please elaborate on the first one.

As for the second, I NEVER stated that Christians are better than anyone. I said that in the Bible, it says that you should be a good person by doing things like I said in the OP such as helping out your fellow man, not being a murderer, etc. I really don't know what you're trying to argue here.
To quote your OP:
his just seems like an oxymoron to me, at least by our country's (USA) current examples of Republicans. Last time I checked, Christians are supposed to be all about helping your fellow man, not forcing your ideals on others, and not murdering people.

Seems to me that this is exactly the opposite of what Republicans are all about. They like to:
-Give tax cuts to the rich and spend less money on education and health care
-Pretty much tell people they're worthless if they're not Christian (Ann Coulter and the late Rev. Falwell to name a couple)
-Go to war (and stay there)

So...why do the majority of "Christians" in this country vote Republican? I don't think they should be allowed to call themselves Christians; at least the ones that agree with these currently predominantly Republican ideals (but they shouldn't be voting for these candidates that do support it in the first place).
First, in your opening line, you clearly link Christians with GOP. I can very easily pull out bible passages that completely trash the Dems. So why single out Republicans? Hasnt the last few Dem presidents made it a point to make it known they attend church?

Second. Your first point about tax cuts IS in line with biblical guidelines. The bible clearly lays out its the PEOPLE'S responsiblily to take care of the poor, not the government's. Second, post a link to Falwell and Coulter saying non-Christians are worthless. I wont hold my breath.

Why do most Christians vote GOP instead? Because, although the core of the GOP has been trashed lately, the traditional view of the GOP is smaller government, less taxes, and free market. As I stated above, Christ advocated the PEOPLE taking care of the people, not the government. I'd love to see a quote showing God recommends government providing that help. Also, the "prosperity" doctrine is also biblical, as are many teachings on poverty. The bible makes no distinction faith-wise between the two, only that if handled appropriately, both lifestyles are biblical.
"The government" isn't some monolithic entity thrust upon us by aliens, we live in a democracy...what the government does is an extension of what we the people want it to do. If I vote for the government to help the poor, how is that fundamentally different from me helping the poor myself? And none of that "make other people pay for it" noise...I'm a single guy making a fair amount of money, I pay more than my fair share of taxes.
Your missing the key point about private vs. government charity from a Christian prospective - its suppose to be voluntary.

When the government is 'giving' charity, voted for or not, it is money that is taken not freely given.
 

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