Chris Christie's Speech

[chowderhead]

Just listened to his convention speech.

The guy has an engaging personal appeal going for him. He's a pretty dynamic speaker. His personal back-story and approach are both devoid of Romney's stiff-necked, "born on third base and thinks he hit a triple" way.

If Romney loses, Christie could well be the 2016 GOP Presidential nominee.

He likes to portray himself as a corruption fighting, clean government type. But multiple instances from his own past actions paint a decidedly different picture:

http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=31799279&postcount=61

http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=31820086&postcount=338

I'd like to see those who wish to counter the cumulatively damning portrait these documented incidents portray do so with fact-based, linked and documented rebuttals, and not just rhetorical deflection.

I'd also like a pony. I'm not all that optimistic about either prospect.

Christie is literally the epitome of the helicopter parent.
http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2011/06/christie_refuses_to_reimburse.html
I don't think he will play well in the Republican primary especially the early states.

 

[cybrsage]

Yep:

The State Police said the flight taken by Christie and his wife, Mary Pat, had presented "no additional cost to taxpayers."

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Every single one is still there word for fucking word, and is current.

Are you sure? He could have had a lot more traffic violations since then. Oh my! :biggrin:

 

[OrByte]

Yep:

The use of state helicopters by governors of both parties has been a flashpoint for decades. But the practice has been to reimburse the state for flights not related to official business. In 2002, the Democratic Party paid the state $18,200 for 14 flights by Gov. Jim McGreevey that were deemed political or personal, including one to a wedding.

 

[cybrsage]

So they reemburse when it costs the state money, but not when it does not. Sounds fair to me. What is the issue with it?

 

[AllWhacked]

His dad went to college on the GI bill. Oh the irony. LOL :biggrin:

I'm not really sure how that is ironic. His father served his country and the country rewarded him. A fair trade.

 

[Perknose]

Show me the part the supports what you said in this post:
http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=31799279&postcount=61

Every single quote is word for word straight from a documented link right in that very post you just linked to, said links numbered 1 through6.

Every. Single. One.

You can't be that dense, which means you are deliberately and dishonestly trolling.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

All too easy to predict.

Hey Nostradamus, you're the one who diverted this thread into an completely irrational vitrolic rant...not me. Get a grip.

 

[cybrsage]

Every single quote is word for word straight from a documented link right in that very post you just linked to, said links numbered 1 through6.

Every. Single. One.

You can't be that dense, which means you are deliberately and dishonestly trolling.

So no quotes to give support to your position? You just say "trust me" and expect it to be taken as gospel? Sigh...ok, to be a LOT more specific for you. Here is your first quote:

Specifically, in my home state of New Jersey, a consulting firm led by former Attorney General John Ashcroft received a contract from U.S. Attorney Chris Christie, his former employee. The fact that there was no competitive bidding and no public input in this process is problematic.

http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=31799279&postcount=61

Here is the top item in the page you link to from your link 1

Chris Christie Corruption: Congressional Testimony of investigation into US Attorney General Chris Christie for Blackmail.
During Investigation Congressmen testify that essentially amounts to corporate blackmail.

The congressman called for the creation of new laws to outlaw the actions that Chris Christie took as US Attorney General and stated Christie’s actions where a Politicization of the US Attorney General’s Office and that Mr. Christie has already Voilated pre-existing ethics guidelines, Christie’s actions where the essence of political favoritism.
Congressmen also called for the Department of Justice to hold Mr. Christie to account for his actions that run counter to ethics guidelines he should have been following from the start.

http://njelection.wordpress.com/200...on-chris-christie-investigated-for-blackmail/

Notice they do not match. You might as well just link www.google.com and be done with it if people have to search your links for matches.

 

[blankslate]

I like the way he paraphrased Machiavelli...

This gives rise to an argument: whether it is better to be loved than feared, or the oppositeThe answer is that one would like to be both, but since it is difficult to combine the two it is much safer to be feared than loved, if one of the two has to make way. ....
...They will offer you their blood, their property, their life and their offspring when your need for them is remote. But when your needs are pressing, they turn away. The prince who depends entirely on their words perishes when he finds he has not taken any other precautions......

http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2012/08/28/text-of-gov-chris-christies-convention-speech/

The greatest lesson Mom ever taught me, though, was this one: she told me there would be times in your life when you have to choose between being loved and being respected. She said to always pick being respected, that love without respect was always fleeting — but that respect could grow into real, lasting love.
Now, of course, she was talking about women.


But I have learned over time that it applies just as much to leadership. In fact, I think that advice applies to America today more than ever.

Wonder how many convention watchers noticed...

 

[Perknose]

So no quotes to give support to your position? You just say "trust me" and expect it to be taken as gospel? Sigh...ok, to be a LOT more specific for you. Here is your first quote:

Every. Single. Quote. Supported. Verbatim. Got that?

http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=31799279&postcount=61

Here is the top item in the page you link to from your link 1


http://njelection.wordpress.com/200...on-chris-christie-investigated-for-blackmail/

Notice they do not match. You might as well just link www.google.com and be done with it if people have to search your links for matches.

Lol, scroll down, you lazy troll. The entire quote, word for word, IS in that link.

Scroll down, to just the second paragraph of the second section.

http://njelection.wordpress.com/200...on-chris-christie-investigated-for-blackmail/

Word for word, just like I said. Try it for each quote and see. All entirely documented.

Not that I have conclusively proven your attack allegation completely wrong, will you man up and admit you were wrong? Or will you just continute to lie, deflect, and troll?

 

[Lemon law]

Some people are simply better than others in writing up an verbally delivering a rabble rousing speech, how truthful the premises of such a speech are always highly qustionable.
As the other goal of such speeches, is to vastly over simplify complex political policy questions, ignore any downsides of public policy, and to accentuates any positives.

In agrement with Perknose, Chris Christy demostrated his talents as a demogog along with other Republicans. In a friendly GOP only audience.

And lest anyone call me just a only democratic troll, we will have only a few days to recover from GOP hype before an equally demogogic slickly packaged DNC convention will start and say exactly the opposite.

Using exactly the same bogus logic tactics in over simification of complex public policy issues.

As for me, I will rely on the dual strategy of barf bags and earmuffs.

If we think the bullshit is only ankle deep now, take my word for it, by November 2012, we will need stilts and chest high waders to have any chance of maintaining any objective sanity.

 

[kage69]

I saw a Twitter post that made me chuckle:

Christie's speech was like the best man at your wedding using his toast to tell the bride why she should have married him (Gerard Mulligan)

Gold!

 

[Moonbeam]

I am emotionally weak just like some of the folk in my family. When I turned the convention on the TV I got shouted at to turn it off as if I'd opened a can of skunk stink. It was making the one who could hear emotionally sick. I myselff am only slightly better at it because, well naturally, I want to know what's in the news since if I don't get the party line I won't know what to say.

But one thing I noticed all by myself, from the bits and pieces that I saw, was that as soon as I had gotten mysel all amped up to love my fellow man, by Romney's wife along comes butter ball why yanks my starry-eyed chain and tells me love is out the window, what I need is respect. So you mofos better start respecting me or I'm not going to smile. And you forget that love shit. And you respect Romney because, because, well damn, they forgot to tell me that.

 

[blankslate]

Well, I suppose it's never too early to start smearing the 2016 crop of Republicans . . .

Is Governor Jeb Bush going to be there?

I saw a Twitter post that made me chuckle: Christie's speech was like the best man at your wedding using his toast to tell the bride why she should have married him (Gerard Mulligan)

Yeah. There was talk of Chris Christie last year when the Republican Circu... I mean Primary still had a lot of candidates in the field.

 

[cybrsage]

Every. Single. Quote. Supported. Verbatim. Got that?



Lol, scroll down, you lazy troll. The entire quote, word for word, IS in that link.

Scroll down, to just the second paragraph of the second section.

http://njelection.wordpress.com/200...on-chris-christie-investigated-for-blackmail/

Word for word, just like I said. Try it for each quote and see. All entirely documented.

Not that I have conclusively proven your attack allegation completely wrong, will you man up and admit you were wrong? Or will you just continute to lie, deflect, and troll?

So using www.google.com is also good, since one just has to use your logic and claim they are lazy if they do not search for it...then lie and say they are trolling. You like lying about that, don't you?

Me having to hunt down your support for you when you are asked where it is is silly. You should want to show your own support, but no, you want to lie about me and post excessively vitriolic insults instead.

It was never an attack allegation, it was a request for you to show where the info is found on that VERY long blog post. After much browbeating, you finally show where your support is found on the page. Instead of all the modified rules violations, you should have simply said "it is in paragraph X". But no, posting excessively vitriolic insults is more to your style and liking, right?

Thank you for finally showing where to find your support for your claim, something we expect from everyone.

You would also be better served if you actually posted which quotes are from which links. You have multiple quoted sections, but you do not bother to say which ones come from which sections. For example, when I look at the second quote, I do not find it in the second link. If I then assume you mean the second bolded section, I do not find that quote in the second link either. You expect people to hunt down your support for you rather than make it easy for them to see if you are correct with your allegations. Once again, you expect people to hunt down your support for you, rather than easily show it. When people do not do that, you lie and claim they are trolls, which is obviously disengenuous on your part.

EDIT: One nice thing about your posts is that we have some good examples of what is not considered to be excessively vitriolic, since nothing is done about them.

 

[JKing106]

You're a fucking idiot. And a intellectually dishonest and disingenuous one at that. Stop embarrassing yourself.

 

[Sinsear]

I like how he portrays himself a champion of the middle class and a regular guy; then he spends half his speech talking about how he "stuck it" to teachers, who are middle class.
Fuck him.

Sure hope the fat fuck doesn't choke on a burrito...

 

[cybrsage]

You're a fucking idiot. And a intellectually dishonest and disingenuous one at that. Stop embarrassing yourself.

Step away from the mirror...you are beginning to frighten people.

 

[hal2kilo]

You're a fucking idiot. And a intellectually dishonest and disingenuous one at that. Stop embarrassing yourself.

When is the perma ban coming?

 

[PokerGuy]

Christie rocks, I guess it's never to early to start smearing him.

 

[JKing106]

When is the perma ban coming?

I wasn't aware telling the truth was a bannable offense. Being a racist trolling piece of sociopathic shit certainly isn't. Some of them have 60,000 posts.

 

[cybrsage]

Christie rocks, I guess it's never to early to start smearing him.

^this

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Christie rocks, I guess it's never to early to start smearing him.

I like Christie too...but I'm not sure if he'll be a suitable President or not...Perknose has incontrovertible proof that his driving record is horrible!!!

 

[Todd33]

I'm not really sure how that is ironic. His father served his country and the country rewarded him. A fair trade.

I serve my country, been paying taxes for decades. Am I entitled to some socialist handouts then? I'm confused when socialism is right and when it is wrong. You get paid to serve, it is a job. Are you saying a lifetime of benefits after a few years of serving is an equal trade?

Sounds more like pandering to the military, which the right loves to do. Keep those votes coming and keep the industrial war machine rolling huh?

:whiste: