imported_dna
Golden Member
For god's sake lighten up on the bolding, and quoting....
Go back and read the linked transcript -- death to America implies death to non-muslims....
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For god's sake lighten up on the bolding, and quoting....
Go back and read the linked transcript -- death to America implies death to non-muslims....
palehorse
Lifer
"Non-Muslims cannot be called human beings but are animals who roam the earth and engage in corruption." - said by Ayatollah Ahmad Jannati, a close aide to Iran's Supreme Leader, Seyyed Ali Khamenei, at a ceremony in north-eastern Iran to commemorate the 'martyrs' of the Revolutionary Guards and the war against Iraq (1980-88).
?We have a strategy drawn up for the destruction of Anglo-Saxon civilization and for the uprooting of the Americans and the English. The global infidel front is a front against Allah and the Muslims, and we must make use of everything we have at hand to strike at this front by means of our suicide operations or by means of our missiles. There are 29 sensitive sites in the U.S. and in the West. We have already spied on these sites and we know how we are going to attack them.? - said by Hassan Abbassi, a leading adviser to Iranian Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei.
"Once we have defeated the Anglo-Saxons the rest will run for cover,? - Hassan Abbassi
?I will stop Christianity in this country? - Ahmadinejad
etc, etc, etc...
Im sorry but death to America implies death to non-Muslims?
You got proof of that or is that something you are assuming?
Because there are tens of thousands of non-Muslims living inside Iran and they are alive. So unless you got something to go against that then all you are doing is assumign whereas I have provided facts that say "death to America" does not equal "death to non-Muslims"
& Again.. America is a country not a religion!!!
imported_dna
Golden Member
I didn't expect any less from you :laugh:
The point is that no one would give a r8t's a8se if some Muslim leader said something about non-Muslims. And most certainly they would not rant and rave like the morons in the Muslim world are doing now against the Pope (whose words are being ignored even by increasing no of Catholics).
myocardia
Diamond Member
Would you say the same thing, if every Muslim who came to America, or went anywhere in Europe, needed an armed body guard? And no, I don't mean a Muslim American, nor an Arab American. I mean any American who doesn't look Middle Eastern. Would you? I very highly doubt it.
You have no proof.
Assumptions.
& I will bet money that if a Muslim leader said something about non-Muslims that the world would care.
Let's say some Ayatollah inside Iraq said "Christians are pigs" and he came to the U.S to visit. I suppose nobody is going to give a damn, right? Wrong.
palehorse
Lifer
Has Osama ever issued a Fatwa? Ok, then, he is a "religious leader." period. And many of his closest advisors and leaders are themselves clerics. So yes, while Osama himself never officially became a cleric, that sure as hell dioesnt stop him from pretending to be one, and it doesnt stop half of the Muslim world from considering him to be one.
heck, he even signed his 1998 fatwa of "Jihad Against Americans" as Sheikh Usamah Bin-Muhammad Bin-Ladin... go figure.
so... Osama can be considered a "religious leader."
you fail!
lol
imported_dna
Golden Member
That's a very deep question....
You remind me of Dave Chappel's bit Celebrity Trial Jury Selection (bottom right of the page).
You simply ask for ridicilous amount of proof, therefore you have an agenda.
EDIT: the R. Kelly part in particular, where he demands 20 witnesses.
AnitaPeterson
Diamond Member
palehorse74 - whom I don't necessarily agree with in other respects 🙂 - has pointed out quite poignantly that
Until that is accomplished, the West - and the Far East as well! - has no reasons to consider the Islamic world as being more than what transpires from my earlier Syriana quote. The rest is just words...
Aimster, you want clarifications?
Many people here know that I am Canadian (by choice), pan-European, atheist (or at the very least "secular humanist"), occasional critic of current American policies and socio-economic-cultural models... but if it ever boils down to a war between Middle East and West, I will fight to my last drop of blood on the side of the West, and I'll die, if necessary, defending this society against Islamo-fascists and what they stand for.
Here is where I draw my line in the sand. Be very careful, those of you willing to cross it.
I believe the Pope is expressing a similar feeling.
Until that is accomplished, the West - and the Far East as well! - has no reasons to consider the Islamic world as being more than what transpires from my earlier Syriana quote. The rest is just words...
Aimster, you want clarifications?
Many people here know that I am Canadian (by choice), pan-European, atheist (or at the very least "secular humanist"), occasional critic of current American policies and socio-economic-cultural models... but if it ever boils down to a war between Middle East and West, I will fight to my last drop of blood on the side of the West, and I'll die, if necessary, defending this society against Islamo-fascists and what they stand for.
Here is where I draw my line in the sand. Be very careful, those of you willing to cross it.
I believe the Pope is expressing a similar feeling.
lack of knowledge about Islam
I am assuming you meant Jihad because a Fatwa .......
Nobody can declare a Jihad against non-Muslim. Only religious leaders can declare a Jihad.
*the head of a mosque is not a religious leader*
*Saddam Hussein is not a religious leader* - He declared Jihad. He obviously didn't know the rules of his own religion.
Stop trying to prove me wrong when you don't know the facts. You just look foolish.
Obviously I know more about the topic in this thread than you so why do you continue to try? If this was a gun thread then you would probably have the upper hand.
A Fatwa is more like an opinion. What in the world did you think a Fatwa is?
What makes you think Muslims do not live in the West? Millions of Muslims live in the "West". In fact Muslims serve in the armed forces of the West and would die for the West as well... so....
Agian you said M.E again... Majority of the Muslims are not from the M.E!!
It sounds like you have a problem with Arab culture and their suicide bombings and somehow link that to Islam as a whole.
I critize the U.S on a daily basis .. in fact many people in here do. Yet when it comes to Israel if you don't agree with it then you must be anti-Jewish (this is the idea many people have).
The fact is we do not live in the M.E. Israel was created in a Muslim world. The problem with Israel is that it is a holy land not only for the Jews but for the Muslims and the Christians as well.
The fact that neighboring Muslim nations are fighting Israel the world thinks Jews and Muslims were born to hate each other.
The entire issue is a problem of land. Not a problem of religion.
palehorse
Lifer
LOL..wow.
A fatwa is a formal declaration made by an Islamic religious leader, scholar, or legal specialist.
In 1998, Osama Bin Laden issued a Fatwa that called for war (jihad) against the Americans. So, apparently he must be a "religious leader" since only they can issue fatwas calling for Jihad, and have said Fatwas listened to by so many. In fact, throughout my travels in the ME and CA, I met a vast number of Muslims who consider Osama to be a religious leader and a hero.
I do not believe that you know more about this topic. In fact, I'm sure that you do not. You just think that you do given your own ethnic background. Newsflash: That, in itself, does not make you an expert on this subject. In fact, it probably creates more biases than you are mentally able to overcome...
myocardia
Diamond Member
Would you say the same thing, if every Muslim who came to America, or went anywhere in Europe, needed an armed body guard? And no, I don't mean a Muslim American, nor an Arab American. I mean any American who doesn't look Middle Eastern. Would you? I very highly doubt it.[/quote]
palehorse
Lifer
Most of us are educated and mature enough to distinguish between fanatical Islam and the rest of the world's Muslim population. Very few people here still lump them all together.
However, the problem comes from the fact that fanatical Islam exists throughout the entire world, not just in the ME. The Arab core is certainly at the forefront of fanatical Islam, but by no means do they have the market cornered. There are fanatical elements of Islam in nearly every nation on earth.
So, given that fact, it is necessary for the ENTIRE MUSLIM WORLD to crack down on said fanaticism. Every single country that has a fanatical element within its borders must step up and destroy said fanatical element.
Therefore, this is a problem that ALL Muslims must face, and it is one that every single Muslim should be held responsible for eradicating. It is the duty of EVERY MUSLIM to step up and destroy the fanatics amongst them... everywhere...EVERY ONE!
period.
You dont know what it is you are talking about
a Fatwa is an opinion and that is a fact. Any Muslim in here will tell you that.
Saddam Hussein issued a Jihad against invading American troops. According to Islam he could not do so and therefore his Jihad was illegal.
What part of that do you not understand? Apparently you fail to argue about anything else and have resorted to calling Osama an Islamic religious leader. I laugh at you.
Ive corrected you numerous times about Islam but you continue to ramble on and on about it as if you know what it is you are talking about.
Kadarin
Lifer
I'm not really sure what Aimster is trying to defend, here..
The point is that Muslims are burning the Pope in effigy, because they claim to be offended by what he had to say. My observation, given this incidend, the cartoon incident, and the Salman Rushdie incident, is that many Muslims appear to be completely unable to tolerate any criticism of Islam itself. In fact, they perceive such criticism as offensive.
My opinion is that Islam itself is a cancer, and that humanity would be better off without it.
The point is that Muslims are burning the Pope in effigy, because they claim to be offended by what he had to say. My observation, given this incidend, the cartoon incident, and the Salman Rushdie incident, is that many Muslims appear to be completely unable to tolerate any criticism of Islam itself. In fact, they perceive such criticism as offensive.
My opinion is that Islam itself is a cancer, and that humanity would be better off without it.
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