Chorus of Islamic followers freak out about Pope's comments

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: Aimster
Libya, Saudi, Jordam, Syria, Indonesia Singapore, Pakistan .. they get money from the West? How?

the old fashioned ways, they ask for it, or sell something.

Not a single one of those nations has gone beyond a call of duty to eradicate fanaticism? Are you suggesting that those nations are not cracking down on potential terrorist? Because if you are that is basically saying the regimes in those nations don't care if their regime gets overthrown. I suggest you go do more fact digging about those nations and the fanatics that you like to call them.

trust me, I've seen the "facts." Those nations DO crack down on opposition within their own state, and a few of them even make a point from time to time in showing the West how "dedicated" they are to the GWOT... ya... right. I guess you've heard of Pakistan's recent peace agreements with the Pashtun tribes (read: taliban supporters) in their NW territories? Or perhaps you've read of the House of Saud and their constant appeasement of the Wahabi extremists in their country who consistently remind the Saud family that they are Muslims first, and leaders second. They do so by forcing the Sauds to enforce Sharia law throughout the Kingdom. (it happens in cycles... study it long enough and you'll begin to see those cycles for what they are)...

So yes, they do enough to crack down on opposition which may threaten their own power, and they also do just enough to show the West that they care a little bit... bah, ya right.

Maybe when the U.S can crack down on their own fanaticism (100%) then you can blame the rest of the world for failing.

That's funny, I dont recall reading anything about violently fanatical Americans blowing themselves up every day this week in the streets of D.C... so, while I recognize that America may have its own lunatic fringe, it is certainly one that we "crack down" on very intensely whenever it raises its head. WE actually arrest or kill those who do violence in this country...and we certainyl dont pay their families afterwards should someone decide to blow up a hospital or school.

you, sir, are lost.

Who pays for a family member when they decide to blow up a hospital or school? The Muslim world or one man? I don't see why you are linking the two. so maybe you could explain.

Who blows themselves up? Muslim world or a handful of Muslims from a SELECT FEW countries that do not even equal 15% of the Muslim world (the select few).

I dont care about the house of Saud or Pakistan. That has what to do with Islam and religious leaders? The leaders of Pakistan are not religious leaders and neither are the leaders of Saudi Arabia.

Saudi Arabis is a wahhabi country. The majority of Muslims are not even close to being Wahabbi so why do you continue to bring them up?

Are you bringing up the minority to make the majority look bad? Because that is what u are doing.

 

[imported_dna]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Simply look at the words of the Iranian President. Isn't he Muslim???

Ooooh -- I know!
Aimster is gonna say that he's not a religious leader.

 

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Aimster
After about an hour nobody has shown me any religious Muslim leader speaking out against non-Muslims

After about an hour nobody has shown me any religious Muslim leader speaking out against non-Muslims

After about an hour nobody has shown me any religious Muslim leader speaking out against non-Muslims

After about an hour nobody has shown me any religious Muslim leader speaking out against non-Muslims

All I get instead are .. blah blah blah .. inventions.. blah blah blah.. Israel-U.S relations .. blah blah ... oil... blah blah .. suicide bombings...blah blah blah....Arab world.. blah blah..

The thread topic is the Pope saying something against Muslims. Therefore, I am trying to link a major religious Muslim leader in saying the same thing. Yet, people have decided to twist things around because they are filled with hate and misinformation-knowledge

Simply look at the words of the Iranian President. Isn't he Muslim???

He is not a religious leader.

I said religious leader. The topic: Pope
You: Some random goon (Iranian President).

& his words were never "Death to Jews". In fact he has said many times "Jews and Muslims need to work together to get rid of the Israel regime. Get rid of Israel". Thus, since he said Jews need to work together with Muslims to get rid of Israel that he did not mean for the Jews to be washed away.

 

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: dna

Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Simply look at the words of the Iranian President. Isn't he Muslim???

Ooooh -- I know!
Aimster is gonna say that he's not a religious leader.

He never said death to Jews.

Sorry to hurt your feelings, but you can either try to answer my main question which belongs in this thread or you can continue to post random anti-Muslim crap that has nothing to do with this thread and I will continue to laugh at your attempts.

 

[imported_dna]

Originally posted by: Aimster
He is not a religious leader.

I said religious leader. The topic: Pope
You: Some random goon (Iranian President).

Heh, thank you for proving me right 😀

Yep, that guy is a random goon.... nothing to do with the Ayatollahs..... he just signed up to be a president for a week....

 

[Zebo]

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

The truth hurts..even if it's the Pope saying it. We need more and more of this truth saying, calling a spade a spade, and mocking 7th century barbaric laws they have in the middle east, not less if we are to defaet the idealogy that is terrorizing the world and moderate muslims alike.

 

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: dna

Originally posted by: Aimster
He is not a religious leader.

I said religious leader. The topic: Pope
You: Some random goon (Iranian President).

Heh, thank you for proving me right 😀

Yep, that guy is a random goon.... nothing to do with the Ayatollahs..... he just signed up to be a president for a week....

Show me how anyone who is powerful inside Iran has said "death to Jews" otherwise all you are trying to do is bring Israel into this and turn it into a political debate that has nothing to do with the main purpose of this thread.

I know you love talking about Israel, but this is not an Israel thread.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Aimster
After about an hour nobody has shown me any religious Muslim leader speaking out against non-Muslims

After about an hour nobody has shown me any religious Muslim leader speaking out against non-Muslims

After about an hour nobody has shown me any religious Muslim leader speaking out against non-Muslims

After about an hour nobody has shown me any religious Muslim leader speaking out against non-Muslims

All I get instead are .. blah blah blah .. inventions.. blah blah blah.. Israel-U.S relations .. blah blah ... oil... blah blah .. suicide bombings...blah blah blah....Arab world.. blah blah..

The thread topic is the Pope saying something against Muslims. Therefore, I am trying to link a major religious Muslim leader in saying the same thing. Yet, people have decided to twist things around because they are filled with hate and misinformation-knowledge

Simply look at the words of the Iranian President. Isn't he Muslim???

He is not a religious leader.

I said religious leader. The topic: Pope
You: Some random goon (Iranian President).

& his words were never "Death to Jews". In fact he has said many times "Jews and Muslims need to work together to get rid of the Israel regime. Get rid of Israel". Thus, since he said Jews need to work together with Muslims to get rid of Israel that he did not mean for the Jews to be washed away.

Really, OK what about Osama and the rest of his flock.

Arern't they considered some kind of God like religious Leaders in their minds?

 

[tvarad]

Aimster,
The thread topic is not about the Pope saying something against Muslims but about Muslims getting their undies bunched up about it. I don't think people of other religions would react the same way if some Muslim leader spoke out against non-muslims. The subsequent observations were about the reasons for this kind of reactions from Muslims. Get your compass bearings straight before you start steering.

 

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: tvarad
Aimster,
The thread topic is not about the Pope saying something against Muslims but about Muslims getting their undies bunched up about it. I don't think people of other religions would react the same way if some Muslim leader spoke out against non-muslims. The subsequent observations were about the reasons for this kind of reactions from Muslims. Get your compass bearings straight before you start steering.

You are "assuming".

The world does not revolve around your assumptions.

 

[imported_dna]

Originally posted by: Aimster
He never said death to Jews.

Sorry to hurt your feelings, but you can either try to answer my main question which belongs in this thread or you can continue to post random anti-Muslim crap that has nothing to do with this thread and I will continue to laugh at your attempts.

You're crossing from the kindergarten to the clown territory.

Israel is synonymous with Jews, and I don't recall positng anti-muslim crap..... just videos of religious leaders and heads of state.

 

[AnitaPeterson]

Aimster,

You are trying to muddle the issue further, in an attempt to criticize posts by me and other people here, people who are simply fed up with Islamic fundamentalism (just as they are, probably, with any kind of religious fundamentalism). If you go to memritv, like others have already pointed out, you'll see a lot of the bellicose declarations I'm talking about.

Leave aside the fact that calls to "behead infidels" are a staple of the Muslim world (I don't recall this battle cry being chanted anyplace else, in the past 100 years)... well yes, unfortunately it seems Muslim Arabs are more prone to violence than other fellows unto Islam.

I see things, I travel a lot, and I always try to find out what other people think. I have European friends, converted to Islam, whom I cannot visit anymore after having a heated discussion over those stupid Mohammed cartoons. I have (Christian) Lebanese friends who go as far as saying they are Phoenicians, in order to distance themselves from the Arab world - incidentally, the "pendant test" was suggested by one of them! I happen to work on a piece of ministerial correspondence RIGHT NOW, in which an Average Joe is urging the Canadian government to institute racial profiling at airports for all Islamic and Arabic travellers, because, as he points out, it wasn't after all a bunch of Norwegians that flew passenger planes in the WTC, five years ago.

Unfortunately, the lines are blurred. Yes, non-Muslim Arabs are perceived to be much less likely to commit violence or become religious extremists than their Muslim brethren. Yes, there are many non-Arab Muslims who are much more to be feared than Arab Muslims. In the end, it all boils down to a religion in turmoil, very likely to subvert any word of God into a tool of murder. And the fact that the Koran is an Arabic book, and it is taught in this language to Arabs and non-Arabs alike, because Arabic is supposed to be the language of God (and therefore the Koran is never "translated", it can only be "interpreted") doesn't help in distingushing between the two identities.

Tell me, please, that all of this is bullshit, that Islam is truly peaceful, and that it is a force of good for the entire humanity. Convince me that my family and I will be safe from being blown up by a Jihadist in a London subway, a Spanish train, an American building or an Egyptian tour bus, or at least give me an equal chance of being killed by a religious extremist of any other nature.

Seriously, I want to be convinced. Can you do it?

 

[imported_dna]

Originally posted by: Aimster
Show me how anyone who is powerful inside Iran has said "death to Jews" otherwise all you are trying to do is bring Israel into this and turn it into a political debate that has nothing to do with the main purpose of this thread.

Actions speak louder than words: Iran give money, weapons, and training to Hezbollah.
They also push for violence in Iraq.

I know you love talking about Israel, but this is not an Israel thread.

:roll:

 

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Aimster
After about an hour nobody has shown me any religious Muslim leader speaking out against non-Muslims

After about an hour nobody has shown me any religious Muslim leader speaking out against non-Muslims

After about an hour nobody has shown me any religious Muslim leader speaking out against non-Muslims

After about an hour nobody has shown me any religious Muslim leader speaking out against non-Muslims

All I get instead are .. blah blah blah .. inventions.. blah blah blah.. Israel-U.S relations .. blah blah ... oil... blah blah .. suicide bombings...blah blah blah....Arab world.. blah blah..

The thread topic is the Pope saying something against Muslims. Therefore, I am trying to link a major religious Muslim leader in saying the same thing. Yet, people have decided to twist things around because they are filled with hate and misinformation-knowledge

Simply look at the words of the Iranian President. Isn't he Muslim???

He is not a religious leader.

I said religious leader. The topic: Pope
You: Some random goon (Iranian President).

& his words were never "Death to Jews". In fact he has said many times "Jews and Muslims need to work together to get rid of the Israel regime. Get rid of Israel". Thus, since he said Jews need to work together with Muslims to get rid of Israel that he did not mean for the Jews to be washed away.

Really, OK what about Osama and the rest of his flock.

Arern't they considered some kind of God like religious Leaders in their minds?

Are you seriously putting Osama and religous leader in the same sentence?

Do you know how many crazy Churches are in the U.S where peopel believe in some crazy wacko crap? If you want to link Osama to religious leaders I might as well link those fanatical Churches to Christianity.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: tvarad
Aimster,
The thread topic is not about the Pope saying something against Muslims but about Muslims getting their undies bunched up about it. I don't think people of other religions would react the same way if some Muslim leader spoke out against non-muslims. The subsequent observations were about the reasons for this kind of reactions from Muslims. Get your compass bearings straight before you start steering.

You are "assuming".

The world does not revolve around your assumptions.

Really? But it's OK to revolve around Bush's assumptions???

 

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: dna

Originally posted by: Aimster
He never said death to Jews.

Sorry to hurt your feelings, but you can either try to answer my main question which belongs in this thread or you can continue to post random anti-Muslim crap that has nothing to do with this thread and I will continue to laugh at your attempts.

You're crossing from the kindergarten to the clown territory.

Israel is synonymous with Jews, and I don't recall positng anti-muslim crap..... just videos of religious leaders and heads of state.

Show me the religious leaders and heads of state. I am waiting.

Im sorry but if I put down Israel I am not putting down the Jews. Your thinking disgusts me.

 

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: dna

Originally posted by: Aimster
Show me how anyone who is powerful inside Iran has said "death to Jews" otherwise all you are trying to do is bring Israel into this and turn it into a political debate that has nothing to do with the main purpose of this thread.

Actions speak louder than words: Iran give money, weapons, and training to Hezbollah.
They also push for violence in Iraq.

I know you love talking about Israel, but this is not an Israel thread.

:roll:

& Hezbollah is against Israel.

What does that have to do with against non-Muslims?

Again your stupid thinking that if you make fun of Israel you make fun of Jews.
That is a laugh.

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: Aimster
Who pays for a family member when they decide to blow up a hospital or school? The Muslim world or one man? I don't see why you are linking the two. so maybe you could explain.

Who blows themselves up? Muslim world or a handful of Muslims from a SELECT FEW countries that do not even equal 15% of the Muslim world (the select few).

I dont care about the house of Saud or Pakistan. That has what to do with Islam and religious leaders? The leaders of Pakistan are not religious leaders and neither are the leaders of Saudi Arabia.

Saudi Arabis is a wahhabi country. The majority of Muslims are not even close to being Wahabbi so why do you continue to bring them up?

Are you bringing up the minority to make the majority look bad? Because that is what u are doing.

I really dont know what half of what you just wrote even means given the context of our debate.. in fact, I think you are typing whatever comes to mind regardless of relavence...

that said, my entire point is that every single one of those countries is run by a "religious leader" of one form or another; and that NONE of them have done jacksh*t in the big scheme of things to eradicate fanaticism.

I have never stated that this is a "problem with all Muslims," however, it IS a Muslim Problem!

the supposedly peaceful 99% need to step up and squash the fanatical 1%, and they need to do so NOW. It is my contention that it must begin with their leadership, but hoping for that is a frickin pipedream... their leadership are all corrupt impotent douchebags.

 

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: tvarad
Aimster,
The thread topic is not about the Pope saying something against Muslims but about Muslims getting their undies bunched up about it. I don't think people of other religions would react the same way if some Muslim leader spoke out against non-muslims. The subsequent observations were about the reasons for this kind of reactions from Muslims. Get your compass bearings straight before you start steering.

You are "assuming".

The world does not revolve around your assumptions.

Really? But it's OK to revolve around Bush's assumptions???

Bush is not a religious leader. If he was the world would hate Christianity. Bush is an idiot and represents no religious group.

 

[imported_dna]

Originally posted by: Aimster
Show me the religious leaders and heads of state. I am waiting.

That would be the one you referred to as a "goon", along with the ayatollah I gave you a link to.

Im sorry but if I put down Israel I am not putting down the Jews. Your thinking disgusts me.

You're right, because before a suicide bomber or a terrorist go on a rampage, they ask all the potential victims whether they are zionist, christians, supported the invasion of Iraq, etc...

It gives me great pleasure to disgust you. 🙂

 

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: Aimster
Who pays for a family member when they decide to blow up a hospital or school? The Muslim world or one man? I don't see why you are linking the two. so maybe you could explain.

Who blows themselves up? Muslim world or a handful of Muslims from a SELECT FEW countries that do not even equal 15% of the Muslim world (the select few).

I dont care about the house of Saud or Pakistan. That has what to do with Islam and religious leaders? The leaders of Pakistan are not religious leaders and neither are the leaders of Saudi Arabia.

Saudi Arabis is a wahhabi country. The majority of Muslims are not even close to being Wahabbi so why do you continue to bring them up?

Are you bringing up the minority to make the majority look bad? Because that is what u are doing.

I really dont know what half of what you just wrote even means given the context of our debate.. in fact, I think you are typing whatever comes to mind regardless of relavence...

that said, my entire point is that every single one of those countries is run by a "religious leader" of one form or another; and that NONE of them have done jacksh*t in the big scheme of things to eradicate fanaticism.

I have never stated that this is a "problem with all Muslims," however, it IS a Muslim Problem!

the supposedly peaceful 99% need to step up and squash the fanatical 1%, and they need to do so NOW. It is my contention that it must begin with their leadership, but hoping for that is a frickin pipedream... their leadership are all corrupt impotent douchebags.

Maybe their time will come? Things don't happen overnight.
The Soviet Union was corrupt and would have still remained in power had they not driven their economy down the hill.

Why do they need to squash that less than 1% (It is more like .0005%). Why? Explain to me why they need to do that. They arrest those who try to blow things up. They raid buildings suspected of housing terrorists. They follow people around. What more do you want them to do?
Go around breaking down every house and questioning everyone?

If you are talking about the govts in the Muslim world. then they are all perfect for the Muslim world and for the U.S. The only negative governments in the Muslim world right now are :

Iran

/end list.

If you want me to explain why my list only contains one country I will.

 

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: dna

Originally posted by: Aimster
Show me the religious leaders and heads of state. I am waiting.

That would be the one you referred to as a "goon", along with the ayatollah I gave you a link to.

Im sorry but if I put down Israel I am not putting down the Jews. Your thinking disgusts me.

You're right, because before a suicide bomber or a terrorist go on a rampage, they ask all the potential victims whether they are zionist, christians, supported the invasion of Iraq, etc...

It gives me great pleasure to disgust you. 🙂

You have failed to show me where the Ayatollah in Iran and the President of Iran have said anything negative towards anyone that is not a Muslim. All you have done is bring up Israel.

 

[imported_dna]

Originally posted by: Aimster
& Hezbollah is against Israel.

What does that have to do with against non-Muslims?

On Hezbollah's TV: Jews Turn into Apes and Pigs in an Clay-mation Film for Children on Hizbullah TV.

Last I checked, Israel falls into your "non-muslims" category.

 

[Zebo]

Islam does NOT have to be violent and intolerant. The entire dhimmi system was revolutionary for its time. At the time, 7th century, Christians would just force conversion or slaughter. At least the muslims would allow Christians and Jews second class status but still practice thier religion in Muslim cultures.

We need to start by coming to terms with practices in those countries which foster this ultra conservative no compromise brand of islam. To include the press, the education system, and ratification of certain treaties like the universal declaration of human rights which no Muslim country has signed. Only then will islam come to evolve. How you do that is not by suppoting despot regimes..not by killing them and not by giving aid which they use to preach more hate and "see I told you American was guilty" but cut them off fom the west, oil, aid, immigration until they decide it's profitable to welcome the modern world and western/asian systems.

 

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: dna

Originally posted by: Aimster
& Hezbollah is against Israel.

What does that have to do with against non-Muslims?

On Hezbollah's TV: Jews Turn into Apes and Pigs in an Clay-mation Film for Children on Hizbullah TV.

Last I checked, Israel falls into your "non-muslims" category.

Israel is a country. Not a religion

Dictionary.com

Search: Israel
Search: Religion

Again, I said religious leader. You are showing me a T.V show. What part of:

Show me where a religious leader has said something against non-Muslims do you not understand?

Hezbollah is not a religion yet you continue to bring it up!