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If the USA and China go to war, who will win?


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NostaSeronx

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You are the one that thinks China can invade USA.
Of course, they can. It would be simple for them to do it as well. Just not right now in the gap zone. The earliest non-gap zone will be 2025, but certain policies in China may have delayed it till 2030.

China will want to out populate, and ensure a minimal loss strategy. Rather than lose 10 to achieve 1, they will want to lose less than 2 to achieve 1. Make 74 mil into snowflakes compared to doped up 385 mil.
 
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whm1974

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Of course, they can. It would be simple for them to do it as well. Just not right now in the gap zone. The earliest non-gap zone will be 2025, but certain policies in China may have delayed it till 2030.

China will want to out populate, and ensure a minimal loss strategy. Rather than lose 10 to achieve 1, they will want to lose less than 2 to achieve 1. Make 74 mil into snowflakes compared to doped up 385 mil.
And why would China want to invade the US in the first place? As other posters have mentioned, both the China and the US are dependent on each other. Why are you sure that the US has no allies and they wouldn't help this country defend itself against China?

This makes no sense at all.:rolleyes:
 

rommelrommel

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Of course, they can. It would be simple for them to do it as well. Just not right now in the gap zone. The earliest non-gap zone will be 2025, but certain policies in China may have delayed it till 2030.

China will want to out populate, and ensure a minimal loss strategy. Rather than lose 10 to achieve 1, they will want to lose less than 2 to achieve 1. Make 74 mil into snowflakes compared to doped up 385 mil.

Dude, Red Dawn was not a documentary.

The Chinese have zero ability to make landfall, let alone in force.
 

NostaSeronx

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The Chinese have zero ability to make landfall, let alone in force.
They have plenty ability to make landfall. Especially, in force if they wanted to.
And why would China want to invade the US in the first place?
That is for when it occurs.
Why are you sure that the US has no allies and they wouldn't help this country defend itself against China?
Canada, Mexico, and South America will obviously be joining China. No one will go against the odds for a "winning" country across the pond. Any country that comes in has to deal with the rural population that is hostile to all powers.

Before, they go full east they will have to conquest Japan. If they are going that route. Japan is probably a much larger target than USA, imho.
 
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BUTCH1

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The Chinese are counting on all of us seeing those hot women, (complete with lipstick) invading the US and us "attacking" with huge American "ordinance", send them over!!, load up the wobbly warhead, the heat-seeking moisture missile!.
 

mect

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They have plenty ability to make landfall. Especially, in force if they wanted to.That is for when it occurs.
Canada, Mexico, and South America will obviously be joining China. No one will go against the odds for a "winning" country across the pond. Any country that comes in has to deal with the rural population that is hostile to all powers.

Before, they go full east they will have to conquest Japan. If they are going that route. Japan is probably a much larger target than USA, imho.
This reads like some shoddy fan fiction man.
 
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MrPickins

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They have plenty ability to make landfall. Especially, in force if they wanted to.That is for when it occurs.
Canada, Mexico, and South America will obviously be joining China. No one will go against the odds for a "winning" country across the pond. Any country that comes in has to deal with the rural population that is hostile to all powers.

Before, they go full east they will have to conquest Japan. If they are going that route. Japan is probably a much larger target than USA, imho.

You think Canada (and to a lesser extent Mexico) will side with China?

I want some of what you're smoking.
 
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NostaSeronx

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You think Canada (and to a lesser extent Mexico) will side with China?
I would say equal extent. No one wants to be bordered with a fascist state. Where immigrants are forced to prove their racial fortitude. By crossing moats of snakes/alligators, fences with electric spikes, and the final run with each leg shot.
 

rommelrommel

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They have plenty ability to make landfall. Especially, in force if they wanted to.That is for when it occurs.
Canada, Mexico, and South America will obviously be joining China. No one will go against the odds for a "winning" country across the pond. Any country that comes in has to deal with the rural population that is hostile to all powers.

Before, they go full east they will have to conquest Japan. If they are going that route. Japan is probably a much larger target than USA, imho.

Oh, I get it. You are the sinophile version of dcal430.
 

whm1974

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They have plenty ability to make landfall. Especially, in force if they wanted to.That is for when it occurs.
Canada, Mexico, and South America will obviously be joining China. No one will go against the odds for a "winning" country across the pond. Any country that comes in has to deal with the rural population that is hostile to all powers.

Before, they go full east they will have to conquest Japan. If they are going that route. Japan is probably a much larger target than USA, imho.
Ohm Japan is much smaller and has less population then the US. In addiction the country doesn't have much in the way of a military. They would be rolled over by China.

And what makes you think that Canada, Mexico, and the nations of South America will be joining China to begin with? On top of that, the EU will support the US against China as well.

Please explain how and where you are getting your "pet theories" from?
 
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Ohm Japan is much smaller and has less population then the US. In addiction the country doesn't have much in the way of a military. They would be rolled over by China.

And what makes you think that Canada, Mexico, and the nations of South America will be joining China to begin with? On top of that, the EU will support the US against China as well.

Please explain how and where you are getting your "pet theories" from?
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It's ranked as the 6th or 7th (depending on what assessment you're looking at) most powerful conventional armed force in the world.


I suspect they may climb once they drop the idea of being a defense force only and start building more offensive capabilities into their forces.

They would not be an easy nut to crack and as it stands today, China would be crazy to try. They just don't have the forces (particularly naval) for it.
 

whm1974

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It's ranked as the 6th or 7th (depending on what assessment you're looking at) most powerful conventional armed force in the world.


I suspect they may climb once they drop the idea of being a defense force only and start building more offensive capabilities into their forces.

They would not be an easy nut to crack and as it stands today, China would be crazy to try. They just don't have the forces (particularly naval) for it.
Thanks, I had no idea that Japan's military had that much firepower as I was under the impression that the US provided much of Japan's defenses. Even if they didn't, China would be real foolish to attack them due to Japan's allies will back Japan. And there is the factor of Global Trade which China benefits heavily from.
 

sdifox

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They have plenty ability to make landfall. Especially, in force if they wanted to.That is for when it occurs.
Canada, Mexico, and South America will obviously be joining China. No one will go against the odds for a "winning" country across the pond. Any country that comes in has to deal with the rural population that is hostile to all powers.

Before, they go full east they will have to conquest Japan. If they are going that route. Japan is probably a much larger target than USA, imho.


Sigh. I guess you think them army is going to march across the Artic? Or do you think no one is going to notice a big live target group chug across the Pacific?
 
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pauldun170

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I'm losing track....
Is this a Red Dawn fan boy thread or is this based off some Video Game that I've never heard of? Were we supposed to read Tom Clancy books before hand or maybe go to those stupid "war pew pew pew" type blogs to collect talking points or something?

The important part is not about the ability fight a war.
The important part is what is the name of the character that will swoop in to save the day.

Side note: If the Hero character is black or female, will the 10 people on the forum that throw a temper tantrum on that sort of please take that to a separate thread.
 

sdifox

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I'm losing track....
Is this a Red Dawn fan boy thread or is this based off some Video Game that I've never heard of? Were we supposed to read Tom Clancy books before hand or maybe go to those stupid "war pew pew pew" type blogs to collect talking points or something?

The important part is not about the ability fight a war.
The important part is what is the name of the character that will swoop in to save the day.

Side note: If the Hero character is black or female, will the 10 people on the forum that throw a temper tantrum on that sort of please take that to a separate thread.

PC game World in Conflict
 
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DrunkenSano

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I would say equal extent. No one wants to be bordered with a fascist state. Where immigrants are forced to prove their racial fortitude. By crossing moats of snakes/alligators, fences with electric spikes, and the final run with each leg shot.

I'm sure Canada would prefer to ally themselves with a country with a leader that is now in power for life that performs full scale genocde on the Uyghur population than with a country that has one shitty President.
 
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JTsyo

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Sigh. I guess you think them army is going to march across the Artic? Or do you think no one is going to notice a big live target group chug across the Pacific?
It wouldn't even get that far. As soon as the US sees China building a version of the Liberty ships, they'll know something is up. It gives you a long lead time.
While China has the advantage in raw numbers, the US Navy has more tonnage (+3 million tons). The Chinese ships are meant to operate near Chinese waters, not across the Pacific. They have one aircraft carrier and no cruisers.
 

sdifox

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pauldun170

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Maybe they will attack like they do in Indian films where they will fly thought the air during a musical dance number and the lead character will take out the US weapons with a his manly nipples.
 

Ajay

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Well, one informative perspective is that China is essentially where the USA was, in terms of capability: training, experience, hardware, just prior to our entry into WW2. Despite barely being involved in WW1, the US entered WW2 as a bunch of bumbling Gomer Pyles for the first couple of years--the earliest days running through Northern Africa. I think a lot of people forget about those years. (Island hopping in the Pacific probably doesn't expose that lack of training in traditional ground combat.) and by the time of D-Day...essentially the last year of the 7 year war, we were considered highly capable and battle ready. ...all of that, and our current dominance was essentially established by the rest of Europe being burned to ash.

We're #1! We're #1! We're #1!
Yup, pretty much. We did, reluctantly at first, learn allot from the brits. When we refused to learn from the brits, the Germans school us with dead GIs and smashed tanks. Then we started getting some top quality generals to the front lines who staffed out a proper chain of command and brought discipline to the ranks. And, as you point out, the survivors of the campaigns in Africa and Italy created some seriously battle hardened troops.

The pacific was often jungle warfare, and we were really force quickly to survive not just the Japanese, but also the elements. The Japanese had rolled over most of these islands will simple intimidation. US service men weren’t intimidated very easily. The stupid bonsai charges were wearying because of the chaos, but we didn’t loose many men to them (hello Japan, you are aware that the machine has been invented, right?). That said, we lost a hell of a lot of men in the pacific because the Japanese just didn’t want to give up many of those islands - even after their blue water navy was crushed.