China told the US to "Shut Up".

[bfdd]

We get it bfdd...According to you....China = Very good!! America = Very bad!!!!!

No, I really don't think either are good or bad. Both have issues and there are plenty of issues I have with China as well. I just don't believe those issues should stop us from being good partners and working together for a better future. We will go much further to lead by example than constantly demand them conform to our ways(the Western way), and vice versa. There are many things we can still learn from each other and all the hate seems counter-productive.

 

[Karl Agathon]

^^^edited my last post.....

btw BFDD....My apologies if I came off rude

 

[bfdd]

^^^edited my last post

Waah. People here whine about stupid shit like that all the time too and our Government allows just as many infringements upon others as they do. Seriously this whole chest thumping shit is retarded. You are only as good as you can PROVE you are and lately the USA has not been proving themselves to be worth much a damn at all. It saddens me because like almost all Americans I was raised to believe this is the greatest place on Earth. That we are the freest greatest people to ever live. While not a complete lie, we aren't doing any help by trying to hold on to it by being so overly critical and hateful at others for what they do. Maybe I just have a drastically different view of China because I actually spend time reading their news and talking to people who have moved from China to the USA to live.

 

[Karl Agathon]

I have absolutely nothing against the common Chinese citizen, its their Govt I have issues with. Just like people have issues with the American Govt.

 

[dennilfloss]

The territorial claims shown on the map are preposterous. You'd expect at least a semblance of equidistance from each surrounding country.

 

[wirednuts]

so china just looked at us and said 'bitch'. you know that is ground for a british strawberry shortcake delivery.

 

[Svnla]

The Chinese claims are absurd, but this issue is between China and the surrounding countries (Philippines, Vietnam, Taiwan, Brunei and Malaysia). US should just stay away and enjoy millions of Chinese slaves working for American companies.

Do you know how much commercial shipping is going through that area? Our allies such as Japan, S. Korea, Taiwain need that line open for their economies.

Let put it this way. Imagine Iran claims almost the whole Persian Gulf because of "historic evidences". Would the world put up with it? Of course not.

 

[bfdd]

Do you know how much commercial shipping is going through that area? Our allies such as Japan, S. Korea, Taiwain need that line open for their economies.

Let put it this way. Imagine Iran claims almost the whole Persian Gulf. Would the world put up with it? Of course not.

And for this reason the USA needs to lax its grip on the Gulf of Mexico and get rid of our Cuba embargo. Else we be hypocrites and no one listens to or likes a hypocrite, not exactly the proper way to lead by example.

 

[Svnla]

And for this reason the USA needs to lax its grip on the Gulf of Mexico and get rid of our Cuba embargo. Else we be hypocrites and no one listens to or likes a hypocrite, not exactly the proper way to lead by example.

I don't remember that the US attacked/shot at Mexican/Cuban ships, do you?

I don't remember that the US captured, beat up, and then demanded ransom money from smaller neighbors fishermen as china has been doing, do you?

 

[bfdd]

I don't remember that the US attacked/shot at Mexican/Cuban ships, do you?

I don't remember that the US captured, beat up, and then demanded ransom money from smaller neighbors fishermen as china has been doing, do you?

That's because it didn't happen in our life time and we still have an embargo on Cuba. We keep quite the watchful eye on them. Sure they aren't direct comparisons as the means and time frame is different, but they are effectively the same thing Svnla. I do agree with you guys though that China is quite over stepping their bounds, I just think all the chest thumping and hater talk from the USA isn't going to make matters better or even set us down the proper path of alleviating the situation. Do you think it will make things better?

 

[Michael]

China has a long history of bowing down to Western powers (see Opium Wars, Hong Hong, Macau, French concession in Shanghai etc.) Like the USA, they are going through a leadership transition right now. Their citizens have much more access to international news and China, like most countries, is quite proud. They also have a big need for oil and gas resources. The USA and other Western countries have a long history of meddling in or taking resources far away form them.

In this particular issue, they are messing with the Philippines which has a very sepcial relationship with the USA. However, I would take the posturing with a large grain of salt considering the upcoming elections in the USA and the leadership change in China.

I doubt bullets will fly over this and early next year the new leaders can sit down and try and resolve it.

Michael

 

[1prophet]

The only reason China is not afraid is because they know the USA is caught with its pants down in oily desert, trillions in debt, and heading towards bankruptcy one municipality at a time,

and most Americans are to stupid to see it in their pursuit of saving a buck at Walmart while knowing and caring more about American idol/Jersey Shore than current events in places like the South China Sea.

 

[LegendKiller]

The only reason China is not afraid is because they know the USA is caught with its pants down in oily desert, trillions in debt, and heading towards bankruptcy one municipality at a time,

and most Americans are to stupid to see it in their pursuit of saving a buck at Walmart while knowing and caring more about American idol/Jersey Shore than current events in places like the South China Sea.

lol. China is hugely afraid. They know they are running out of time to become a player on the international front before energy becomes too expensive to bootstrap them up from the shithole they are now.

 

[Phokus]

I don't remember that the US attacked/shot at Mexican/Cuban ships, do you?

I don't remember that the US captured, beat up, and then demanded ransom money from smaller neighbors fishermen as china has been doing, do you?

Heh, considering the US is basically stolen land, this is a dumb point.

 

[bfdd]

lol. China is hugely afraid. They know they are running out of time to become a player on the international front before energy becomes too expensive to bootstrap them up from the shithole they are now.

China will not run into the same energy issues that face us. They have our mistakes to learn from and a culture that is attuned to gradualism. Your ignorance of China and the Chinese is showing.

 

[Phokus]

lol. China is hugely afraid. They know they are running out of time to become a player on the international front before energy becomes too expensive to bootstrap them up from the shithole they are now.

I dunno, China has natioanlized oil companies, so do many latin/european countries. When shit hits the fan with peak oil (who knows when that's going to be), the US will be in the worst position.

 

[LegendKiller]

I dunno, China has natioanlized oil companies, so do many latin/european countries. When shit hits the fan with peak oil (who knows when that's going to be), the US will be in the worst position.

Because China's massive navy will be able to get the crude to their doorsteps if we didn't want them to have it. Really, China is nothing more than Japan but with a northern neighbor with plenty of resources.

As far as the US defaulting, it'd utterly destroy their economy over night.

Your guys' ignorance of simple economics is astounding.

 

[Phokus]

Because China's massive navy will be able to get the crude to their doorsteps if we didn't want them to have it. Really, China is nothing more than Japan but with a northern neighbor with plenty of resources.

As far as the US defaulting, it'd utterly destroy their economy over night.

Your guys' ignorance of simple economics is astounding.

You're dumb, when peak oil hits, defaulting will be the furthest thing on their mind.

See: What happened to NK and Cuba when the Soviet Union collapsed and they stoppd sending oil to them.

 

[LegendKiller]

China will not run into the same energy issues that face us. They have our mistakes to learn from and a culture that is attuned to gradualism. Your ignorance of China and the Chinese is showing.

What's hilarious is that you utterly hate communists and socialists here and decry it as an inferior system yet you think their politicians and socialists and communists are so much better over there. You truly are a misguided and ignorant person.

 

[RightIsWrong]

Add:

Qing dynasty map shows no China claim in Spratlys

This is Spratlys!, no?

 

[rchiu]

It is the 5 trillion dollar per year shipping lane that will be affected, and a good portion of that is in the US interest. It will also affect the US naval movement, because the US naval force also use that shipping lane to move through the straight of Malacca.

Haha, I see, so the US can get its hand into some business tens of thousands miles of away in the name of national interest. But when Chinese get into something close by, with historical justification, then it's oh no, big bad China.....

 

[cybrsage]

China will not come to blows with the US. IF they did, we would instantly nullify our debt with them and stop all trade. Other nations would quickly snag that trade, forever harming China.

The US cannot help but win, unless it goes nuclear. In which case there really are no winners.

 

[rchiu]

Because China's massive navy will be able to get the crude to their doorsteps if we didn't want them to have it. Really, China is nothing more than Japan but with a northern neighbor with plenty of resources.

As far as the US defaulting, it'd utterly destroy their economy over night.

Your guys' ignorance of simple economics is astounding.

heh, you are a little out dated. China already built oil pipeline from Kazakhstan to China so they can import oil directly from central Asia to China. They don't need a navy to get crude to their doorstep.

It'd be useful to know what the heck you are talking about when calling other people ignorant.

 

[rchiu]

China will not come to blows with the US. IF they did, we would instantly nullify our debt with them and stop all trade. Other nations would quickly snag that trade, forever harming China.

The US cannot help but win, unless it goes nuclear. In which case there really are no winners.

That's true, those debt and trade stoppage would hurt China considerably, in normal circumstances.

But if China goes all out against the US, that'd be almost another world war situation, and trade, debt, GDP growth, economy indicator, all goes out the door. The only thing matters is how much manufacturing capability the country and its allies has, and the natural resource controlled. And of course, there is always this nuclear weapon as the last resort.

China could form an alliance with nearby Islamic nations, Pakistan, Iran that are anti-US. They can start conquering near by countries, Korea, Japan, India, Vietnam. US would have hard time defending those allies due to proximity and supply line, and on land war, China could have advantage with sheer number. If they control the Asia continent, ally with Islamic nations and possibly Russia, and hold their position, use the resources including huge amount of oil reserve, utilize their manufacturing capability and know how, it'd be hard for the US and allies to break.

Just saying....

 

[cybrsage]

China's biggest problem is that they are not an open ocean naval power. IOWs, they cannot get troops and planes to the US, but the US can get troops and planes to China. We can bomb the crap out of them and the only thing they can do is launch nukes. Of course, we could never actually occupy China, at least not without somehow convincing the local populous they want us there...which is unlikely.

They will be limited to destroying the surrounding nations...minus Russia because they are not stupid. The EU will join in when Japan and Australia are ravaged by the Chinese, ensuring China soundly loses...unless, as I said, they resort to nukes.

They cannot win a war with the US and have a lot to lose by attacking us. Since I know they have a very smart ruling government, I can easily say they will not attack. No real gain, a lot of risk.