China told the US to "Shut Up".

[K1052]

Tell that to those aboard the USS Liberty and the USS Pueblo.

It's all about power.

Sometimes squirrely shit happens but very rarely between major powers and if it does never goes public. We didn't make a policy of strafing Russian intelligence trawlers or them bombing listening posts along their borders in friendly countries.

 

[a777pilot]

Well it's a damn good thing we never sent B-52's to bomb anti-air missile sites in southern xxxxx.

 

[BoomerD]

So are you saying US's stance is that Taiwan is a sovereign nation and not part of China? Not that I agree with the stance, but if that's the US policy, then the US is saying China controls Taiping and whatever Taiwan owns too. Or is that too hard a logic for you to understand?

Yes the thread is about China and it's neighbours in the South China Sea dispute, and I am trying to tell you like all dispute, somebody, especially the stronger one is gong to exert power to get that dispute in their favor. It's not an invasion, it's not bullying out of the blue, it's trying to make their claim looks legit.

And that's not flying spy plane within 70 miles of other people's coast line, and thousands of miles away from your mainland. (in case you don't know, I am talking about the US spy plane thingy)

 

[Svnla]

So are you saying US's stance is that Taiwan is a sovereign nation and not part of China? Not that I agree with the stance, but if that's the US policy, then the US is saying China controls Taiping and whatever Taiwan owns too. Or is that too hard a logic for you to understand?

Yes the thread is about China and it's neighbours in the South China Sea dispute, and I am trying to tell you like all dispute, somebody, especially the stronger one is gong to exert power to get that dispute in their favor. It's not an invasion, it's not bullying out of the blue, it's trying to make their claim looks legit.

And that's not flying spy plane within 70 miles of other people's coast line, and thousands of miles away from your mainland. (in case you don't know, I am talking about the US spy plane thingy)

Huh? I can't speak for the US and what its stance is with China and Taiwan. All I know from what I read is Taiwan =! red commie China. Period. Again, Taiwan never claims the whole sea or shoots at other nations and this thread is NOT about Taiwan. I do not know why you kept bringing Taiwan to the discussion.

If you do not think (from all the links that I posted) the behavior of red China is not helping with the stability in the disputed area, I do not know what else to tell you. Aggressive moves can escalate the bad situation to worse. That's why I kept asking you for anything about other countries aggressive behavior. Smaller nations in the area such as Vietnam, Philippines, Maylaysia, Brunei, etc. all have their differences with each other but you don't see they shot at each other or behave like red commie China, right? When red commie China has a proven history of invasion at Paracel and Spratly, your words of "not an invasion" are not assuring. And don't even bother reply with "but but but..it was not an invasion". I posted several links about that, let the readers read them as whole and decide for themselves.

You have to get with the Pentagon about the spy plane.

Again, you need to learn that not all posters on the net are making sh1t up and pulling things out of their butts. Some of us DO KNOW what we are talking about because we read/studied and researched those topics extensively.

@ Boomer D - cute pic but I do not know if you can buy a computer or table or smartphone without the tag of "made in china".

 

[dawheat]

Maybe not in a military sense... but China has the ability to hit us hard where it hurts. The Chinese have been actively hacking U.S. defense secrets, corporate IP, etc. They pretty have everything lockheed-martin has engineered after hacking RSA then hacking lockheed.

I won't even get into the way China has positioned itself in the world market. They have unlimited slave labor that allows them to put all rare earth mining operations out of business. Sure rare earth metals exist elsewhere... but imagine China cutting off the world... it would take months to get that capability back to a point where supply lines were up and running. The reverberations through out economy would be tremendous.

Despite what people say about our military performance in Iraq and Afghanistan (both wars basically unwinnable due to the nature of the warfare), the U.S. could solidly trounce China. Yet China still has the U.S. by the balls and squeezing tight.

I agree - any open conflict between the US and Chine is economic MAD. I do wonder which country would subsist better. The US could severly hamper China's energy supply and core infrastucture - leaving their industries sitting idle. Not sure how much of their food is imported.

China could cut most of our companies off at the knees production wise and tank our financial markets. Food and energy wise, the US wouldn't be in danger, but prices would likely be exorbitent.

 

[a777pilot]

Between the two countries, the USA is in a way better strategic position.

But, then both countries have lots of nukes, so any open conflict is extremely dangerous.

 

[iGas]

I agree - any open conflict between the US and Chine is economic MAD. I do wonder which country would subsist better. The US could severly hamper China's energy supply and core infrastucture - leaving their industries sitting idle. Not sure how much of their food is imported.

China could cut most of our companies off at the knees production wise and tank our financial markets. Food and energy wise, the US wouldn't be in danger, but prices would likely be exorbitent.

Almost 60% of the world soybean are imported by the Chinese, and they also import large percentage of the world corn, wheat, rice, and sorghum. China import much of there energy, and minerals as well. And, the US is the largest producer of soybean and perhaps rice, and one of the largest producer of corn and sorghum.

 

[bononos]

The Chinese claims are absurd, but this issue is between China and the surrounding countries (Philippines, Vietnam, Taiwan, Brunei and Malaysia). US should just stay away and enjoy millions of Chinese slaves working for American companies.

The whole issue does involve other countries including the US in a way. Look at all the foreign off-shore oil rigs in the area eg. Brunei.

 

[a777pilot]

The whole issue does involve other countries including the US in a way. Look at all the foreign off-shore oil rigs in the area eg. Brunei.

Screw the oil. Look at the shipping lanes. Who controls the South China Sea controls the Far East.

 

[iGas]

Japan deports activists in disputed islands row

IMHO, China and its sheeples are on a collision course for a communist dynasty expansion war path.

 

[Dominato3r]

China will not run into the same energy issues that face us. They have our mistakes to learn from and a culture that is attuned to gradualism. Your ignorance of China and the Chinese is showing.

This. They are going through a huge nuclear energy expansion and are on pace to have more reactors online than the US.

 

[a777pilot]

This. They are going through a huge nuclear energy expansion and are on pace to have more reactors online than the US.

What type of reactors?

 

[iGas]

What type of reactors?

They are all generation I & II (and perhaps gen III in the future) water cool Pressure Water Reactors. Basically they are the same reactors as the current Western/USA reactors and a few are Russian design.

China at the moment do not have or have plan at building/acquiring gas cool pebble bed reactor.

 

[iGas]

This. They are going through a huge nuclear energy expansion and are on pace to have more reactors online than the US.

Perhaps it is fine and dandy that they have nuclear reactor, but where are they going to get the fuel?

China have a small uranium reserve, and the majority of the reserve and production are from Western countries or allies of the US. That said, South Africa, Brazil, and Russia also have some and perhaps they can beg those countries to sell the the fuel.

 

[Phokus]

Perhaps it is fine and dandy that they have nuclear reactor, but where are they going to get the fuel?

China have a small uranium reserve, and the majority of the reserve and production are from Western countries or allies of the US. That said, South Africa, Brazil, and Russia also have some and perhaps they can beg those countries to sell the the fuel.

China won't have to beg from Brazil and South Africa, those are two countries that China has recently created massive economic investment in and very strategic relationships.

 

[Karl Agathon]

Japan deports activists in disputed islands row

IMHO, China and its sheeples are on a collision course for a communist dynasty expansion war path.

Within 50 years, China will become the equivalent to the Fourth Reich. it will proceed to commit massive genocide aganst its "inferior" Asian neighbors and against the "white man" it will once again consider itself the "middle kingdom" Japan should immediately reverse its consitiution and develop a credible nuclear deterent because thats the very first country China will attempt wipe out when she becomes the Fourth Reich.

 

[a777pilot]

Within 50 years, China will become the equivalent to the Fourth Reich. it will proceed to commit massive genocide aganst its "inferior" Asian neighbors and against the "white man" it will once again consider itself the "middle kingdom" Japan should immediately reverse its consitiution and develop a credible nuclear deterent because thats the very first country China will attempt wipe out when she becomes the Fourth Reich.

this ^^^^^^

 

[Dominato3r]

Perhaps it is fine and dandy that they have nuclear reactor, but where are they going to get the fuel?

China have a small uranium reserve, and the majority of the reserve and production are from Western countries or allies of the US. That said, South Africa, Brazil, and Russia also have some and perhaps they can beg those countries to sell the the fuel.

True but there are a lot of generation 4 designs underway that would take the waste from current reactors and that as fuel. Autonomous / no human control and no proliferation.

 

[OCGuy]

There will be no "real" war with China. MAD is a bitch.

If there is one, we are all dead anyway. Hell, scientists aren't even sure the world would survive a full exchange between India and Pakistan, which could happen any time.

 

[OBLAMA2009]

one thing is for sure, that area is thousands of miles from the u.s.

 

[diesbudt]

If full blown war was ever to happen between china and the U.S. It would bring about a war that could potentially dwarf WW2 by many accounts.

Not only would previous enemies of our join us or china (Russia despises china more than American, and if in war they would ally with us more likely because A] They have much to gain with a beating of China and B] despise us less.). North korea and middle east may ally with China...

If the primary of fighting would take place around the pacific rim, the only contries that wouldn't get involved is neutral contries in South America and westren african countries.

U.S would "win" the war with china as it contains more allies, and the "power" compared with china as econmies are not meaningful in warfare, however truth be told a war between China and the U.S would be a loss for the world in general as it would bring about catastrophe in many areas of civilization.

- Economies on all scales and in all countries would become massively chaotic.
- Death count would trump WW1 and WW2 combined if the fighting prolonged beyond 3 years and if any other countries joined in because of the weapons the world now wields.
- If it went nuclear the entire planet would suffer, for decades if not centuries to come.

 

[piasabird]

I dont think you can borrow money from China to attack China.

 

[piasabird]

China is easy to destroy. Just wipe out their ifrastructure. They will starve to death in a week. China depends on importing food that they grow on company farms in other countries. Without this extra food disease and famine will take hold. They depend on transportation to import food. They have poisoned their own country to the point that they dont have drinkable water or land that will produce food fit to eat.

 

[diesbudt]

China is easy to destroy. Just wipe out their ifrastructure. They will starve to death in a week. China depends on importing food that they grow on company farms in other countries. Without this extra food disease and famine will take hold. They depend on transportation to import food. They have poisoned their own country to the point that they dont have drinkable water or land that will produce food fit to eat.

The best way and cleaniest way to win a war is to win the people from the other country over, or get them to dislike what they currently have. Using subtely showing them what some non socialist countries are like and the freedoms it gives. The greatness of some countries and such. Showing them evil propaganda about China that is true. (It is how vietnam pushed us out, they were able to show the american people how horrible it was that we no longer as a people backed the war, so American had no choice but to pull out.)

Cause a rift amongst the common people and the government. Allow dissent to grow in the populace. Bait them with better options. Etc.

As the Art of War states basically (from China itself ) That the least successful war is one fought with weapons.

 

[Vdubchaos]

I think it's pretty clear that people around here simply hate China.