"China thinks it can defeat America in battle"

[Jaskalas]

I think it was on TED there was a discussion about that very topic. No nation can defeat the united states.

The drawback to that is a nation wishing to fight the US may resort to a nuclear strike, or several strikes, then negotiate a peace treaty.

Strike a few cities like LA, Dallas, Houston, Detroit, New York,,,, with nukes, then throw up their hands, say they surrender, now go enjoy your fallout.

An intelligent opponent would not mail us a nuke with a return address. We'd have no idea where it came from or who to respond against.

 

[smackababy]

Let see, beside the nuclear powered submarines in the article of the OP, the US also has:

* nuclear powered super carriers with airplanes - (a lot of fighters, bombers, and other supporting airplanes)
* ability to refuel while in flight so they can fight anywhere in the world at a moment notice
* new/next generation weapons such as F-22, rail guns, and other secret weapons that are not ready to reveal.



What does china have beside the hot air/boasting and milliion of conscripts?

You forgot that all the cutting edge missile and radar defense technology is developed by the US military, as if we'd let other countries have technology we couldn't defeat. And the F-22 pretty much guarantees air superiority for a 40+ years.

An intelligent opponent would not mail us a nuke with a return address. We'd have no idea where it came from or who to respond against.

Exactly how do you think nukes are delivered? They are going to just bring it into a US city in a UPS truck?

 

[momeNt]

We showed up late to the first and barely helped, and the Russians were already winning on the second in Europe. I guess we managed to beat a small island nation in couple of years though.

Hint: WW2 wasn't over until Soviet Russia fell....

Had the USA not intervened, Russia wouldn't have stopped at Germany....

The anti-freedoms and anti-Americans in this thread are sickening, especially only a few days after Independence Day.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

Hint: WW2 wasn't over until Soviet Russia fell....

Had the USA not intervened, Russia wouldn't have stopped at Germany....

Correct, Russia would likely have gone into France and Benelux and never left. Not to mention the fact we were supplying Russia with tremendous amounts of arms, industrial capability, etc. and also tied up 1 million+ German soldiers and their equipment in the western front. There's also the inconvenient little fact that the US and Britain destroyed Germany's industry as well.

Also, "barely helped" is not what the other allies thought of US involvement in WWI either and I'm sure the 2 million US troops who served didn't think they "barely helped" either.

 

[Orignal Earl]

You forgot that all the cutting edge missile and radar defense technology is developed by the US military, as if we'd let other countries have technology we couldn't defeat.

Oh my Lord...
There is a great number of countries in the development game.
Let's just skip to say Anti-ship missiles for instance since we are talking Navy

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-ship_missile

 

[momeNt]

oh my lord...
There is a great number of countries in the development game.
Let's just skip to say anti-ship missiles for instance since we are talking navy

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/anti-ship_missile

yaaawnnnnnn

 

[Orignal Earl]

yaaawnnnnnn

If you find the topic boring, there is lots of other ones to choose

 

[momeNt]

If you find the topic boring, there is lots of other ones to choose

Anti-ship missiles were nullified in First Gulf War, they are a non-issue.

It's more like anti-missile ships nowadays.

 

[Orignal Earl]

Anti-ship missiles were nullified in First Gulf War, they are a non-issue.

It's more like anti-missile ships nowadays.

I have no idea how you came up with that conclusion.
Are you certain your expertise in these things is superior to all the countries including the US, developing them?

 

[momeNt]

I'm certain America wins. Period.

 

[SpatiallyAware]

I have no idea how you came up with that conclusion.
Are you certain your expertise in these things is superior to all the countries including the US, developing them?

You criticize his opinions based on his expertise, yet have no problem spewing your own. It's really typical of your arguments.... You relay a bunch of innuendo and assumptions, then call out anyone else with a mere opinion as being uneducated on the topic.

Stop arguing like a hillbilly. Your points can stand on their own, without these negative remarks about other people.

 

[Orignal Earl]

You criticize his opinions based on his expertise, yet have no problem spewing your own. It's really typical of your arguments.... You relay a bunch of innuendo and assumptions, then call out anyone else with a mere opinion as being uneducated on the topic.

Stop arguing like a hillbilly. Your points can stand on their own, without these negative remarks about other people.

I'm no expert, far from it.
I am posting links with my arguments.
Scroll back and see how I replied your LOL's and anti freedom and pro china remarks with LOL's

 

[smackababy]

Oh my Lord...
There is a great number of countries in the development game.
Let's just skip to say Anti-ship missiles for instance since we are talking Navy

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-ship_missile

And anti-ship missiles have absolutely zero importance in a war. This isn't the 18th century. A strong navy isn't the key to victory.

Surface to air missiles, however, might have some implications. And the deterrence systems air crafts use isn't good enough to stop missiles stamped with [Made in the USA]. And, our F-22s can target and destroy ships or structures with that capability before they are detectable by said ships or structures, same goes for any aircrafts (including out F-16s).

 

[Orignal Earl]

And anti-ship missiles have absolutely zero importance in a war. This isn't the 18th century. A strong navy isn't the key to victory.

Surface to air missiles, however, might have some implications. And the deterrence systems air crafts use isn't good enough to stop missiles stamped with [Made in the USA]. And, our F-22s can target and destroy ships or structures with that capability before they are detectable by said ships or structures, same goes for any aircrafts (including out F-16s).

Your initial statement was that all development came from the US.
I posted an example of the anti-ship missiles.
Which has now been called useless by you
Do you want me to google Surface to air missiles now under development by other countries?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_surface-to-air_missiles

 

[yllus]

I have no doubt that the real top-end leaders of China are under no delusions about their inability to take on Taiwan and/or the U.S. in a military campaign. They have no chance and they'll well aware of it.

Their real goal as far as Taiwan is concerned, aside from saber rattling to spark nationalism to distract the populace from their woes, is have the Taiwanese want to join them in an economic union - in a decade or two when China is really rolling. And China has always been good at playing the long game.

 

[Zodiark1593]

We showed up late to the first and barely helped, and the Russians were already winning on the second in Europe. I guess we managed to beat a small island nation in couple of years though.

If I could compare the US to a Pokemon, it would be Regigigas.

 

[smackababy]

Your initial statement was that all development came from the US.
I posted an example of the anti-ship missiles.
Which has now been called useless by you
Do you want me to google Surface to air missiles now under development by other countries?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_surface-to-air_missiles

I am sorry, I meant all good developments come from the US (and our contractors). Who gives a shit about what China is developing from half a stolen blue print. It won't compete.

Your SAM example is pretty poor. China has a single "developed" SAM and it was stolen from 70s technology Croatian SAMs. Hardly something that is going to help against the US.

 

[Orignal Earl]

I am sorry, I meant all good developments come from the US (and our contractors). Who gives a shit about what China is developing from half a stolen blue print. It won't compete.

Your SAM example is pretty poor. China has a single "developed" SAM and it was stolen from 70s technology Croatian SAMs. Hardly something that is going to help against the US.

If your going to stand on China stealing everything from the US, what about all the other countries?

 

[Thebobo]

My Country can beat up your country!

 

[werepossum]

How exactly would they throw their hands up when they were radioactive ash?

Metaphorically, of course.

No clothes, no shoes and no computer hardware. We will be fighting them naked.

So we raise an army of conscripts and blind them with our pasty corpulence. Sure, Belgium will be crying war crimes, but it's freakin' Belgium; no one even pretends to listen unless they bring beer.

The flaw in this logic is that by the time the United States dared choose to defend Taiwan, the war would be over.

China can do what it wants.

This is probably true. Either way the matter would be decided before we could get there in force, even if we chose to do so. Personally I don't see how China could even think about doing this within the next decade. I suspect it's just one of those things they say.

 

[TheSiege]

There is little to no doubt in the entire WORLD that the Armed Forces in the US is superior to any other nation. With Russia and China coming in at 2 and 3 respectively. Every other country through 25 is an ally, a strong ally. 3 Chinas couldn't even compete with the US. That being said, if the US was to go to war with China, our economy would take a dip, and it would rebound quickly. Hell I would argue that it would be phenomenal for our country. Manufacturing would be relocated closer to the US with a large portion being restarted in the US itself. A war with China would be the best thing for America.

 

[smackababy]

If your going to stand on China stealing everything from the US, what about all the other countries?

You're* and I'm not standing on anything. China is known to attempt to steal technology and reproduce poor quality copies. Ever seen a Chinese AK-47 vs a Russian one? China's J-20? Yeah, that shit ain't holding up to American made weapons.

 

[smackababy]

There is little to no doubt in the entire WORLD that the Armed Forces in the US is superior to any other nation. With Russia and China coming in at 2 and 3 respectively. Every other country through 25 is an ally, a strong ally. 3 Chinas couldn't even compete with the US. That being said, if the US was to go to war with China, our economy would take a dip, and it would rebound quickly. Hell I would argue that it would be phenomenal for our country. Manufacturing would be relocated closer to the US with a large portion being restarted in the US itself. A war with China would be the best thing for America.

I disagree about the economy. In the event we went to war with China, after we won, we'd be obligated to help rebuild and restructure their country, costing a lot. It would likely create some jobs, but the world economy would suffer from it. We'd have to ensure Russia doesn't step in and gain a lot of influence in the process and we'd have to make sure it doesn't end up like a post WW1 Germany, and allow a Chinese Hitler to take power.

 

[SpatiallyAware]

I still can't believe that anti-freedom earl is trying to argue that china has military prowess over the USA.

 

[TheSiege]

I disagree about the economy. In the event we went to war with China, after we won, we'd be obligated to help rebuild and restructure their country, costing a lot. It would likely create some jobs, but the world economy would suffer from it. We'd have to ensure Russia doesn't step in and gain a lot of influence in the process and we'd have to make sure it doesn't end up like a post WW1 Germany, and allow a Chinese Hitler to take power.

I wasn't referring to the aftermath. But you do have a valid point