"China thinks it can defeat America in battle"

[nehalem256]

I think it was on TED there was a discussion about that very topic. No nation can defeat the united states.

The drawback to that is a nation wishing to fight the US may resort to a nuclear strike, or several strikes, then negotiate a peace treaty.

Strike a few cities like LA, Dallas, Houston, Detroit, New York,,,, with nukes, then throw up their hands, say they surrender, now go enjoy your fallout.

How exactly would they throw their hands up when they were radioactive ash?

 

[SpatiallyAware]

The US is fantastic at blowing the shit out of other countries without regard for civilians and crap. Its when we try and be selective and try to implement favorable governments that we get into trouble.

 

[SpatiallyAware]

I think it was on TED there was a discussion about that very topic. No nation can defeat the united states.

The drawback to that is a nation wishing to fight the US may resort to a nuclear strike, or several strikes, then negotiate a peace treaty.

Strike a few cities like LA, Dallas, Houston, Detroit, New York,,,, with nukes, then throw up their hands, say they surrender, now go enjoy your fallout.

Would never happen. We have made it extremely clear throughout history that we will blow your shit up for looking at us funny.

But to have an actual reason to go to war? Our MIC would love that, just give them a reason to lock and load.

 

[smackababy]

How exactly would they throw their hands up when they were radioactive ash?

If a country like NK or Iran actually launched a nuke at the US, they'd be destroyed before the missile hit (if it made it outside of their own airspace). Even if we didn't have allies who would pretty much attack immediately, all of our bases outside of the US are ready to strike. China launches at the US, they had better hope they took out our bases in Europe and SEA at the same time.

 

[SlickSnake]

Lol at all these forum heroes. When was the last time the US really won a war?

I see a bunch of war mongering assholes. There are no winners in a war of that magnitude, we will bankrupt ourselves and end up with many more injured Vets that will get no help from the VA.

But the Repubs don't care about that, do they? After all, their bullshit wars have been creating casualties since the 1960s.

The US is already in an ongoing economic war with China, and Russia as well, and we have been for decades. We just aren't in the mass embargo stages... yet.

Worldwide economic warfare plays itself out in relative slow motion. And this super power economic warfare is so protracted over time that most people have no clue it's an ongoing scenario unless they are economics savvy or connected to it in some way like bankers, businessmen or politicians. And we are clearly in a deteriorating worldwide economic situation, as well.

 

[dawheat]

A conventional war against China would make industrial life incredibly painful in the US for years, but we'd struggle by and eventually either domestic or other foreign businesses would step in.

China's government would not survive - even if we choose not to strike civilian targets on the Chinese mainland. The US would be able to dismantle the Chinese military and more importantly, block all sea trade to and from China. China wouldn't be able to sell their goods not just to the US, but to the rest of the world in any volume. No oil tankers could reach them and pipelines are laughable to destroy. We could economically cut them off from the rest of the world and their populace would not keep leaders in place who brought them to economic collapse.

So the OP is right in that our SSN force would be one of the most critical components in cutting off China's legs economically.

China holds about 8% of our national debt.

A nuclear conflict is laughable as our retaliation would be massively disproportional.

 

[Orignal Earl]

Pretty sure the Chinese Navy wouldn't forget about subs.
They do have their own and rumor is they raised one in the middle of an American Naval exercise without them detecting it.

 

[Fern]

That's actually Bloomberg's quote and he's a moron with a few billion. It read stupid last year, and still reads incredibly stupid today.
-snip-

The quote is from JP Getty.

But he lived before govt bailouts were 'invented'.

Fern

 

[K1052]

I think it was on TED there was a discussion about that very topic. No nation can defeat the united states.

The drawback to that is a nation wishing to fight the US may resort to a nuclear strike, or several strikes, then negotiate a peace treaty.

Strike a few cities like LA, Dallas, Houston, Detroit, New York,,,, with nukes, then throw up their hands, say they surrender, now go enjoy your fallout.

lol....that's so naive that it's cute

 

[silicon]

http://theweek.com/article/index/264032/china-thinks-it-can-defeat-america-in-battle



My coworker served a nuclear-powered submarine in the Pacific. He got a kick out of this. Good article anyway.

a lot of saber rattling on the part of china....if it came to a shooting war the us could sink every ship in china overnight.

 

[Karl Agathon]

All china had to do is take out a couple of power plants and we would be sent back to the dark ages.

lol and the US doesn't have the power to do the exact same thing (and than some) right back? A massive retaliatory SSGN strike could and would obliterate many of their power plants (among other industrial targets) and China full well knows that.

 

[dawheat]

Pretty sure the Chinese Navy wouldn't forget about subs.
They do have their own and rumor is they raised one in the middle of an American Naval exercise without them detecting it.

The US SSN force would be even more lopsided vs the Chinese navy than an aerial conflict.

Yes, you can have a diesel sub running on batteries basically wait in the path of a task force and then 'pop up'. In a real armed conflict, we'd either destroy them in their pens or track them as soon as they have to run their diesel engines to recharge their batteries.

 

[Engineer]

No clothes, no shoes and no computer hardware. We will be fighting them naked.

 

[SpatiallyAware]

Pretty sure the Chinese Navy wouldn't forget about subs.
They do have their own and rumor is they raised one in the middle of an American Naval exercise without them detecting it.

LOL Sure... The navy isn't on full defensive alert doing a routine training exersize.

If there were any sort of active conflict those chinese subs would be destroyed as soon as they powered up, let alone surfaced.

 

[Orignal Earl]

The US SSN force would be even more lopsided vs the Chinese navy than an aerial conflict.

Yes, you can have a diesel sub running on batteries basically wait in the path of a task force and then 'pop up'. In a real armed conflict, we'd either destroy them in their pens or track them as soon as they have to run their diesel engines to recharge their batteries.

Why wouldn't the Chinese use their nuclear attack subs?
I would be more concerned about these US Intel guys thinking the Chinese are disregarding subs

 

[Orignal Earl]

LOL Sure... The navy isn't on full defensive alert doing a routine training exersize.

If there were any sort of active conflict those chinese subs would be destroyed as soon as they powered up, let alone surfaced.

LOL what?
You think during a NATO exercise the US only plays half assed?

 

[momeNt]

Fucking love it man. Great stuff.

Feeling so damn patriotic this Monday! USA!

 

[momeNt]

LOL what?
You think during a NATO exercise the US only plays half assed?

You seriously think a Chinese sub could have surfaced during a USA naval exercise? SERIOUSLY?

I mean, if they've done that I'm pretty sure they've flown bombers over the white house too huh?

 

[SpatiallyAware]

Why am I not surprised to see anti-freedom earl in here rootin for china?

 

[CitizenKain]

We showed up late to the first and barely helped, and the Russians were already winning on the second in Europe. I guess we managed to beat a small island nation in couple of years though.

 

[SpatiallyAware]

LOL what?
You think during a NATO exercise the US only plays half assed?

You think that when the US is in the middle of an exercise that they're going to just blow the F up anything that surfaces?

It was nothing more than a media ploy by china.

 

[Orignal Earl]

You seriously think a Chinese sub could have surfaced during a USA naval exercise? SERIOUSLY?

I mean, if they've done that I'm pretty sure they've flown bombers over the white house too huh?

Hmmm do I waste time arguing with someone who is comparing something in international waters to flying bombers over Washington?

Why am I not surprised to see anti-freedom earl in here rootin for china?

There is no such thing as anti-freedom earl, and I'm not rooting for China.

 

[Orignal Earl]

You think that when the US is in the middle of an exercise that they're going to just blow the F up anything that surfaces?

It was nothing more than a media ploy by china.

Who? What? blowing up?
LOL the things you come up with

 

[Svnla]

Let see, beside the nuclear powered submarines in the article of the OP, the US also has:

* nuclear powered super carriers with airplanes - (a lot of fighters, bombers, and other supporting airplanes)
* ability to refuel while in flight so they can fight anywhere in the world at a moment notice
* new/next generation weapons such as F-22, rail guns, and other secret weapons that are not ready to reveal.



What does china have beside the hot air/boasting and milliion of conscripts?

 

[Jaskalas]

The flaw in this logic is that by the time the United States dared choose to defend Taiwan, the war would be over.

China can do what it wants.