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China readies for ‘short, sharp’ war with Japan

calyco

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More war drums

China’s recent military exercises revealed that it is preparing for a short war with Japan over disputed islands in the East China Sea, a Navy intelligence official recently warned.

Navy Capt. James Fanell, director of intelligence and information operations for the U.S. Pacific Fleet, said during a conference in San Diego that the People’s Liberation Army’s large-scale war games last fall showed that the island of Taiwan is no longer Beijing’s lone major target.

“In addition to a longstanding task to restore Taiwan to the mainland, we witnessed the massive amphibious and cross-military region exercise, Mission Action 2013, and concluded that the PLA has been given new task: To be able to conduct a short, sharp war to destroy Japanese forces in the East China Sea, followed by what can only be expected [as] a seizure of the Senkakus, or even the southern Ryukus,” he said.

The uninhabited Senkakus islands are located north of Taiwan and south of Japan’s Ryuku islands. China claims the chain as its “Diaoyu” islands.

Capt. Fanell, who last year warned that China was escalating its bullying of regional neighbors, said security in the Asia Pacific over the past year has worsened, reaching a nadir in November with China’s imposition of an air defense zone over much of the East China Sea.

Earlier, Chinese coast guard and naval forces had conducted a coordinated series of provocations aimed at intimidating nearby nations, he said.

The provocations included China’s harassment of a U.S. warship. The encounter led to the near-collision between the guided-missile cruiser USS Cowpens and a Chinese amphibious ship in the South China Sea. Officials said the incident could have triggered a larger conflict between the U.S. and China.

China asserted the Cowpens had violated a defense zone around its aircraft carrier, the Liaoning, near Hainan Island. But Capt. Fanell said the U.S. ship was 50 miles away when the Chinese amphibious ship sailed within 100 yards of the Cowpens and stopped in front of it, forcing the U.S. ship to make an emergency turn to avoid collision.

The Chinese also continued “expansionism” throughout the region last year, he said.

“Tensions in the South China and East China seas have deteriorated, with the Chinese coast guard playing the role of antagonist, harassing China’s neighbors, while PLA navy ships, their protectors, conduct port calls throughout the region, promising friendship and cooperation,” Capt. Fanell said at the Feb. 13 conference.

Capt. Fanell also expressed concern about a report published last fall in China’s state-run Global Times that highlighted, with graphics, the effects of submarine-launched nuclear missile attacks on West Coast cities. The article said the JL-2 missile attacks would kill up to 12 million Americans.

“Imagine the outrage if a similar statement had been made by any U.S. media outlet,” he said, noting that China’s first ballistic missile submarine patrols are expected to begin this year.

Capt. Fanell noted that the late Gen. Liu Huaqing, considered the father of the Chinese navy, in 1983 outlined Beijing’s timetable for naval hegemony: By 2010, China will achieve naval supremacy over the what its call the “first island chain” — waters near its coast — and by 2020 will expand to control waters around the “second island chain” located hundreds of miles from China.

Liu predicted that by 2040 “China will have the power to contain the dominance of the U.S. Navy in the Pacific and Indian Oceans,” Capt. Fanell said, noting that Liu was known for directing forces that killed unarmed protesters in Beijing's Tiananmen Square in 1989 and engineered the naval attack that killed 70 Vietnamese sailors at the South China Sea’s Johnson South Reef in 1988.
“I think they are ahead of schedule,” Capt. Fanell said.[

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Capt. Fanell also expressed concern about a report published last fall in China’s state-run Global Times that highlighted, with graphics, the effects of submarine-launched nuclear missile attacks on West Coast cities. The article said the JL-2 missile attacks would kill up to 12 million Americans.

Wow I wish we had something like that to defend ourselves.

Oh wait!
 
Yay more fear mongering! America you need to fear China! Be very scared!!!!!

Alternatively look at the historical record between China and Japan. China has been "prepared" to go to war with China for 69 years. Move along people. Nothing to see here.
 
I think the fate of Japan really depends on if old school Godzilla is on the scene or the newer people friendly Son of Godzilla is on the ball.
 
In what way?

Try to maintain your car or truck without made in china parts.

If you want to cripple a nation disable its ability to produce and maintain its vehicles. Have fun getting your food delivered without oil filters, brakes, wheel bearings,,,,.

Where do most of our electronics come from?

You will probably come back saying that if china does not sell to the US their economy will collapse. The chinese government controls its economy, not foreign nations. They are taking precautions to protect themselves from a crash, unlike what our system did.

With a growing middle class, it is just a mater of time before the US is a secondary market.
 
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Try to maintain your car or truck without made in china parts.

If you want to cripple a nation disable its ability to produce and maintain its vehicles. Have fun getting your food delivered without oil filters, brakes, wheel bearings,,,,.

Where do most of our electronics come from?

You will probably come back saying that if china does not sell to the US their economy will collapse. The chinese government controls its economy, not foreign nations. They are taking precautions to protect themselves from a crash, unlike what our system did.

With a growing middle class, it is just a mater of time before the US is a secondary market.


The Chinese absolutely are an exporter nation. That means they are at the mercy of the rest of the world. If they couldn't sell into the European and American markets they would collapse. They are desperately trying to create an internal market. But that wont happen overnight. And it may never happen given their size and shrinking population over the next 30-50 years.

So besides supposedly not being able to buy car parts. How do the Chinese have us by the balls?
 
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The Chinese absolutely are an exporter nation. That means they are at the mercy of the rest of the world. If they couldn't sell into the European and American markets they would collapse. They are desperately trying to create an internal market. But that wont happen overnight. And it may never happen given their size and shrinking population over the next 30-50 years.

They are an exporter nation right now.

They are not at the mercy of the rest of the world. China has more trade agreements than any other nation in the world. Almost double the trade agreements as the US.

Their shrinking population will be curbed by changes to the one child policy, which china has already been talking about changing.

It is not just the US who is moving its factories to china, the rest of the world is also.

As for Japan, this is just a drop in the bucket. As the economy and middle class in china expands, so will its need for resources. Oil, natural gas, minerals,,, china needs all of that. Anything that gets in the way of Chinas progress will be pushed to the side.
 
They are an exporter nation right now.

They are not at the mercy of the rest of the world. China has more trade agreements than any other nation in the world. Almost double the trade agreements as the US.

Their shrinking population will be curbed by changes to the one child policy, which china has already been talking about changing.

It is not just the US who is moving its factories to china, the rest of the world is also.

As for Japan, this is just a drop in the bucket. As the economy and middle class in china expands, so will its need for resources. Oil, natural gas, minerals,,, china needs all of that. Anything that gets in the way of Chinas progress will be pushed to the side.

If they are an exporter nation then they are at the mercy of the rest of the world. If the rest of the world stopped buying their good their economy would be in trouble. If China stopped selling their goods to the rest of the world. The immediate shortage would cause an issue. But new suppliers would show up. And in the process China's economy would be put in dire straits. They can only build so many empty cities in the countryside.

China just addressed their one child policy. They will allow 2 children if one of the parents is a single child. This wont stop the population shrinking in any meaningful way.

I dont think you fully grasp China's situation of an aging population without an economy to support it. Think of our SS and Medicare debacle but on a larger scale and with a shrinking population(we are still growing).

They also have a problem of a high savings rate with their population. This will reduce economic growth until it is somehow changed.
 
If they are an exporter nation then they are at the mercy of the rest of the world. If the rest of the world stopped buying their good their economy would be in trouble.


The truth is, wall street is addicted to cheap labor. Wall street and big business does not care about national security. As long as they are turning record profits they are happy.

Nobody is going to stop buying from china.

Greed is going to push china into a world leader position. Our factories are going to create a beast that the rest of the world has to bow to.

I fear this issue with Japan is a sign of things to come. As china becomes a world leader, so will its military.
 
The truth is, wall street is addicted to cheap labor. Wall street and big business does not care about national security. As long as they are turning record profits they are happy.

Nobody is going to stop buying from china.

Greed is going to push china into a world leader position. Our factories are going to create a beast that the rest of the world has to bow to.

I fear this issue with Japan is a sign of things to come. As china becomes a world leader, so will its military.

So in other words we aren't really at the mercy of china then. That just makes for good fear mongering and stirring up nationalist pride.

China is the 1980s Japan imo. We always need the next economic enemy to keep us shitting our pants.
 
If they are an exporter nation then they are at the mercy of the rest of the world. If the rest of the world stopped buying their good their economy would be in trouble. If China stopped selling their goods to the rest of the world. The immediate shortage would cause an issue. But new suppliers would show up. And in the process China's economy would be put in dire straits. They can only build so many empty cities in the countryside.

China just addressed their one child policy. They will allow 2 children if one of the parents is a single child. This wont stop the population shrinking in any meaningful way.

I dont think you fully grasp China's situation of an aging population without an economy to support it. Think of our SS and Medicare debacle but on a larger scale and with a shrinking population(we are still growing).

They also have a problem of a high savings rate with their population. This will reduce economic growth until it is somehow changed.

Not to mention the fact that China makes parts for products, it frequently does not have the capability to assemble the final product.

There is no country more dependent on international trade and peace than China. They are completely at the mercy of foreign markets.
 
So in other words we aren't really at the mercy of china then. That just makes for good fear mongering and stirring up nationalist pride.

China is the 1980s Japan imo. We always need the next economic enemy to keep us shitting our pants.

Changed the brake pads on your car or truck lately?

Maybe replaced the rotters in the past few years?

Have you replaced any wheel bearings in the past few years?

This nation can not even bring food to market without made in china parts.
 
Changed the brake pads on your car or truck lately?

Maybe replaced the rotters in the past few years?

Have you replaced any wheel bearings in the past few years?

This nation can not even bring food to market without made in china parts.

Southeast Asia, India, and Africa can all replace the cheap labor pool that China has provided. A trade cutoff with the US and it's allies would be almost instantly catastrophic for China since the money would just stop coming in. It would be inconvenient for the US until alternate suppliers are located or set up.
 
A trade cutoff with the US and it's allies would be almost instantly catastrophic for China since the money would just stop coming in.

Doesn't china own several trillion dollars in US debt?

What makes you think it would be "instantly catastrophic?"

If China cut of trade and called in that debt, our economy would collapse, not chinas. We would be paying china all that debt they bought as our economy choked.
 
Doesn't china own several trillion dollars in US debt?

What makes you think it would be "instantly catastrophic?"

If China cut of trade and called in that debt, our economy would collapse, not chinas. We would be paying china all that debt they bought as our economy choked.

They own like... < 1/10 of our debt, lol. Oh no!!! China wants our money, except... we are at war with them. Pretty sure we'd tell them to S our D's.

Edit: Just checked. They own 7%

64% is owned by the American people through SS, etc.
 
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Doesn't china own several trillion dollars in US debt?

What makes you think it would be "instantly catastrophic?"

If China cut of trade and called in that debt, our economy would collapse, not chinas. We would be paying china all that debt they bought as our economy choked.

What's odd is that you still don't understand the nature of Chinese purchases of US bonds. China buys US bonds to artificially depress their currency.

Also, what do you mean by "calling in" our debt? Our debt is sold in the form of bonds of varying duration. There's no 'calling in' debt. If you mean they would stop buying US debt, well there is already robust demand from it. They could also resell their debt to other people and briefly further raise our rates for selling new debt. Sure we might have higher borrowing costs, but we would be fine.

China is vastly more dependent on the US than the US is on China. They would destroy their country by doing what you suggest.

I think you should spend some time educating yourself about bond markets and the
 
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