China readies for ‘short, sharp’ war with Japan

[norseamd]

How would they throw it at us? Like, logistically I don't see how it is possible.

right now their maritime warships do not have enough capability to transport 4 million men. but we do not either. if i remember right regular landing ships are neglected in favor of high tech hovercraft. but the amphibious warfare is on their mind with carriers and planes and cyber and space

 

[Svnla]

20 years in China

http://www.theatlantic.com/business...e-of-the-day-shanghai-in-1990-and-2010/69959/

You are missing a few more pictures of current china:

http://www.chinahush.com/2009/10/21/amazing-pictures-pollution-in-china/

http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/2013/01/chinas_skies_toxic_levels_of_p.html


http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2013/12/09/3030071/shanghai-photos-pollution/

Speaking of war, unlike smaller neighbors, Japan is not a push over. Its Navy and Airforce are some of the best in Asia (quality speaking) and Japan military could be a match for china's aggression = http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/taiwan/archives/2012/08/23/2003540982

 

[piasabird]

All we have to do is send some missile ships to attack China's infrastructure like power plants, dams, etc. Starvation and disease would start shortly after that. We also have an Air Base in South Korea. Who knows where our Subs with ICBM's are? They could also pop up off the coast and wipe out much of China. There is no way any war with China could be a good thing. I guess economically if Japan was defeated and taken over we could write off our debt to Japan and they would not be competing in the car and electronic market. However, almost all computer parts come from China! Keep that in mind.

 

[norseamd]

Not to mention the next generation of SSBN submarines that will be in the water by then.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People's_Liberation_Army_Navy_Submarine_Force

 

[Northern Lawn]

Well they are not a member of a military alliance and really have never invaded other countries, thousands of years of history...

 

[norseamd]

All we have to do is send some missile ships to attack China's infrastructure like power plants, dams, etc. Starvation and disease would start shortly after that. We also have an Air Base in South Korea. Who knows where our Subs with ICBM's are? They could also pop up off the coast and wipe out much of China. There is no way any war with China could be a good thing. I guess economically if Japan was defeated and taken over we could write off our debt to Japan and they would not be competing in the car and electronic market. However, almost all computer parts come from China! Keep that in mind.

they have nukes so that is not a bright idea. the right thing to do is to have planes and ships close by to prevent skirmishes and protect japanese forces if they do happen. we have to be ready to act very quickly

 

[Northern Lawn]

Another thing, a war with China against anyone... taiwan, phillippenes, Japan and or USA would coincide with a collapsed of your currency so... i'm not sure what that means but it can't be a good thing.

 

[Texashiker]

How would they throw it at us? Like, logistically I don't see how it is possible.

There was a speaker on TED.com talking about how the US military can defeat any nation in the world. He went into detail about how much money, carriers, ships, missiles,,,, everything the US has. We can overthrow just about any nation in the world in a matter of days.

The speaker also said this is not a good thing.

The opinion was that if a nation knows it can not defeat the US in conventional warfare, that nation might resort to striking the US with a nuclear weapon.

If a dictator knows he is going to be overthrown, what does he have to lose by nuking LA, Houston, New york, Washington DC,,,?

So what if the nation is defeated a few weeks later. So what if we resort to nuclear weapons in response. With the way our cities are designed, we would be the loser in the long run.

We can not displace LA, Houston, New york, Dallas,,, size populations. Nor can we afford to rebuild entire cities. How many years has it taken to rebuild the twin towers? How are we supposed to rebuild entire cities?

 

[JTsyo]

If this is story is true. China must be assuming Japan wouldnt put up much of a fight for uninhabited islands.

Well it's not like the Japanese have any sense of honor... right?

 

[Northern Lawn]

Well it's not like the Japanese have any sense of honor... right?

Yeah, they were the original suicide bombers, friggen kamakazies.

 

[IronWing]

Well they are not a member of a military alliance and really have never invaded other countries, thousands of years of history...

Except Tibet, Mongolia, Viet Nam, all in the post revolution era.

 

[Northern Lawn]

Except Tibet, Mongolia, Viet Nam, all in the post revolution era.

That's pretty weak. Tibet is part of china, Mongolia is where Ghengis Khan came from, they killed like 50 million chinese and ruled them for a hundred years or so, and vietnam? come on.

 

[surfsatwerk]

That's pretty weak. Tibet is part of china, Mongolia is where Ghengis Khan came from, they killed like 50 million chinese and ruled them for a hundred years or so, and vietnam? come on.

The Tibetans sure didn't think so.

 

[IronWing]

That's pretty weak. Tibet is part of china, Mongolia is where Ghengis Khan came from, they killed like 50 million chinese and ruled them for a hundred years or so, and vietnam? come on.

Chinese agression against Tibet and Mongolia is hard to ignore as the Chinese are still there. The Chinese invaded Viet Nam in response to Viet Nam stopping the Cambodian genocide under the Khmer Rouge (a genocide the Chinese were supporting).

 

[norseamd]

vietnam kicked chinese ass just like they kicked american ass

 

[Northern Lawn]

vietnam kicked chinese ass just like they kicked american ass

Wow I was way off, I was thinking China invaded to help out the vietnamese against the Amercians.

 

[Svnla]

That's pretty weak. Tibet is part of china, Mongolia is where Ghengis Khan came from, they killed like 50 million chinese and ruled them for a hundred years or so, and vietnam? come on.

http://content.time.com/time/photogallery/0,29307,1879849_1846233,00.html

Yup, come on indeed. Being PWNED hard by old men and women of the local militia forces.

Most observers doubted that China would risk another war with Vietnam in the near future. Gerald Segal, in his 1985 book Defending China, concluded that China's 1979 war against Vietnam was a complete failure: "China failed to force a Vietnamese withdrawal from [Cambodia], failed to end border clashes, failed to cast doubt on the strength of the Soviet power, failed to dispel the image of China as a paper tiger, and failed to draw the United States into an anti-Soviet coalition."

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/war/prc-vietnam.htm

Wow I was way off, I was thinking China invaded to help out the vietnamese against the Amercians.

US withdrew all military combat personnels in 1973 and the war ended in 1975. Bully china invaded in 1979 and you can see the result above. You might be confused about china invaded North Korea in 1953 to prevent US and Allied Forces overan NK military.

<<--- knows a few things about history in Asia.

Except Tibet, Mongolia, Viet Nam, all in the post revolution era.

Don't forget Xinjiang, India.

 

[Ventanni]

A lot of countries practice war game scenarios like this. Heck, the US does it all the time. China isn't going to so much as raise an actual military finger against Japan because that immediately brings the United States into the discussion. Secondly, the Chinese economy is wholly reliant on exports. Lots and lots of exports. Once they go to war, those trade agreements and exports become immediate targets of opportunity for disruption. This would NOT end well for the Chinese. We won't even get into what might happen to the Chinese population given their reliance on food imports.

So yeah, this is probably just one of those war game scenarios that countries practice all the time. Russia did a big war games event not too long ago. The United States conducts them all the time with other countries. Do I think the Chinese would risk the economic and military gains they've achieved over the last 25 years for a few small, uninhabited islands? Not a chance. I'm not a chest thumping American, but a war with the Chinese would only hurt temporarily for us, and would probably ignite an enormous revival in the country's manufacturing industry in the process. No other country has the manufacturing prowess and infrastructure to support it that the United States does, and China knows it.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

It is different. China's military will still be shit compared to ours, but they don't need it to be as good when operating in their own backyard. I think the point is that the US won't be able to dominate china in and around the Chinese mainland then, not that we wouldn't wreck them at a neutral site.

I can't know but believe that in 2 or 3 decades virtually all military forces in their current forms will be obsolete.

There will still be a need to move people and things around but what China could have in 20 years would be obsolete.

The dominant nation will be the one who realizes this and moves the fastest and most effectively. The end of this century will have seen changes we can scarcely guess, but I hope someone gets it right. At the risk of drama this could be our last century as a species.

 

[chihlidog]

Wow. A lot of posts minimizing the potential effects of a war with China.

I'm sorry, but war with China is a nightmare scenario in my mind. They have nuclear weapons, they have one of the largest standing armies in the world, they have incredible manufacturing capabilities, they have rare earth deposits that we, the U.S., do not.

We sent so much over there to be manufactured, they have amazing resources now. While our military technology is somewhat more advanced, they still have nukes and sheer numbers. I know we like to think of ourselves as the lone superpower, but.....a war with China would absolutely devastate the United States.

 

[norseamd]

they have rare earth deposits that we, the U.S., do not.

do too. we just closed them because china was mining so many minerals. there are deposits all over the world that not only contain lots of rare eath minerals but also tons of thoriam

 

[iGas]

Wow I was way off, I was thinking China invaded to help out the vietnamese against the Amercians.

Yes you were way off.

July 1971, Henry Kissinger&#8217;s Secret Trip to China

1972 Nixon visit to China

30 Years of Sino- US Relations

Kissinger and Nixon supported/encouraged the Chinese (Mao Zedong) to support Khmer Rouge (Pol Pot) to fight Vietnam after the US agreed to pulled out of the "Vietnam War" in March of 1973 (IMHO, Kissinger/Nixon/Ford and the US administration was a bunch of evil losers).

Nixon & Mao, China, Febuary 1972.

October 7, 1972,Premier Zhou Enlai of the State Council met with Professor Norman with the visiting delegation of the US Association of Newspaper Editors.

February 17, 1973,Chairman Mao Zedong met with Dr. Henry Kissinger, national security adviser to the president of the United States. During the Kissinger's visit to China, both sides decided to set up a liaison office in each other's capital to establish a direct link between the two countries . In May, the liaison offices began to function.

October 26, 1973, Premier Zhou Enlai met with Silas Leo Sulzberger, foreign affairs columnist of New York Times, and his wife.

April 30, 1975

December 2, 1975, Chairman Mao Zedong met with US President Gerald Ford and his wife Betty Ford and daughter Suzanne Ford.

What Went Wrong with the Pol Pot Regime

US President Carter's National Security Adviser Zbigniew Brzezinski was later to brag that, "I encouraged the Chinese to support Pol Pot. I encouraged the Thai to support the DK."75 In February 1979 China would invade Vietnam with a quarter of a million troops to "teach them a lesson"

 

[Northern Lawn]

Wow. A lot of posts minimizing the potential effects of a war with China.

I'm sorry, but war with China is a nightmare scenario in my mind. They have nuclear weapons, they have one of the largest standing armies in the world, they have incredible manufacturing capabilities, they have rare earth deposits that we, the U.S., do not.

We sent so much over there to be manufactured, they have amazing resources now. While our military technology is somewhat more advanced, they still have nukes and sheer numbers. I know we like to think of ourselves as the lone superpower, but.....a war with China would absolutely devastate the United States.

On the bright side, their soldiers are actually getting taller and thicker and are starting to have a hard time getting into their tanks. True story.

 

[trenchfoot]

On the bright side, their soldiers are actually getting taller and thicker and are starting to have a hard time getting into their tanks. True story.

Reminds me of how the Russians could only fit short stocky guys in their tanks due to design requirements. I don't know if such is the case with their newest offerings though.

 

[K1052]

Wow I was way off, I was thinking China invaded to help out the vietnamese against the Amercians.

The Vietnamese really do not like the Chinese and will do anything to marginalize their influence. Up to and including getting over that whole little US-Vietnam war thing.

Check out the love letter their ambassador recently penned to the US.

http://www.rollcall.com/news/after_20_years_of_trade_relations_vietnam_and_us_look_forward_commentary-230861-1.html?pg=1