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China prefers Trump to be re-elected

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Jaskalas said:
Not sure why you would be uninformed... can you think of any news sources you visit that are acting in bad faith?

Per this topic, we know exactly why China would care:
  1. “Trump is a businessman. We can just pay him money and the problems will be solved,”
  2. Trump’s unfiltered tweets help China in negotiations because he is “easy to read,”
  3. “Trump has undermined the U.S.-led alliance system, which has improved China's international environment,”
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That's all bullshit. They'd rather have the business but Trump is just impossible to deal with. Here's the same thing from a different angle-

 
Starbuck1975 said:
China could also be following Russia’s lead in throwing red meat into the divisive social media pool.

Trump just signed a bill in support of the Hong Kong protestors. Bet China just loves that!
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When the article was written trump hadn't signed the bill and the only info about that bill was that trump was thinking about vetoing it.

But yeah, China is just following Russia's lead and sewing divisiveness in the US because that will help get rid of trump because like Russia, getting rid of trump is really in their best interest.

Lol


TDS indeed.
 
ivwshane said:
When the article was written trump hadn't signed the bill and the only info about that bill was that trump was thinking about vetoing it.

But yeah, China is just following Russia's lead and sewing divisiveness in the US because that will help get rid of trump because like Russia, getting rid of trump is really in their best interest.

Lol


TDS indeed.
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LOL yes, it clearly wasn't that. Starbuck should also consider that the simplest explanation is likely the correct one. Ordinary Americans like you and me can see how easily triggered Trump is, how easily manipulated he is by flattery. It stands to reason that foreign governments can see that as well. It further stands to reason that they can see potential benefit in it. QED
 
blackangst1 said:
Sure

globescan.com

Global Poll: Obama Overwhelmingly Preferred to Romney - GlobeScan | Know your world. Lead the future.

[jumplinks] Download the Full Release (PDF) 22 October 2012 – A new 21-nation poll for BBC World Service indicates that citizens around the world would strongly prefer to see Barack Obama re-elected as US President rather than his Republican challenger Mitt Romney. The poll of 21,797 people...
globescan.com globescan.com

Thats one.
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Yes, it's true that Obama was quite popular throughout much of the world outside the US. And most of the world outside the US thinks Trump is a shitbag. But what does an opinion poll of the citizens of a country that isn't even a democracy have to do with what it's dictatorial government thinks is advantageous to its interests? I'm struggling to see your analogy here.
 
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ivwshane said:
When the article was written trump hadn't signed the bill and the only info about that bill was that trump was thinking about vetoing it.

But yeah, China is just following Russia's lead and sewing divisiveness in the US because that will help get rid of trump because like Russia, getting rid of trump is really in their best interest.

Lol


TDS indeed.
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They knew Trump was unpredictable before the Hong Kong bill. Yes, TDS.
 
Of course they do, everyone does. The investments made in 2016 are paying dividends. As long as Americans are busy fighting each other shareholders will continue making a killing.
 
Both China and Russia love how Trump has destabilized the US as the world leader. But they also see having someone so unfit will be worse in the long run.
 
Indus said:
He's a dishonest man and you can always trust a dishonest man to be dishonest. It's the honest ones like Bernie you gotta worry about?!?!?
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I actually told this to a friend of mine who voted for trump in 2016 (thankfully he is not voting trump in 2020). He said he couldn't trust Hillary. I said what a minute, is this the pirates of the Caribbean argument? So you know trump is dishonest and will go with that instead?
 
Starbuck1975 said:
I would expect China to prefer stability, predictability and the status quo for Hong Kong and even Taiwan. I doubt very highly they truly have a preference to Trump.
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I suspect what they most dislike would be western governments who fuss about 'human rights' and anything that isn't about pure material self-interest (a form of potential conflict which the Chinese regime understand and find managable). They know Trump won't go in for any of that - his unpredictability doesn't extend that far. I think his unpredictahbility is just a matter of his suspectibility to influence from anyone who he feels is more alpha than him.

It is possible, though, that 'the Chinese', even 'ruling elite Chinese' are not entirely unified or of one mind in their attitude to Trump. Probably a mistake to assume any 'other' is a four-dimensional-chess-playing genius.
 
blackangst1 said:
I could give two shits who other countries want as our POTUS.
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You SHOULD care, especially if it's China, considering their position on the world stage. If the would be candidate is compromised (or corrupt) somehow clearly those other countries would want them in power since they have some leverage. This is assuming you care about being compromised or corrupt.
 
pmv said:
I suspect what they most dislike would be western governments who fuss about 'human rights' and anything that isn't about pure material self-interest (a form of potential conflict which the Chinese regime understand and find managable). They know Trump won't go in for any of that - his unpredictability doesn't extend that far. I think his unpredictahbility is just a matter of his suspectibility to influence from anyone who he feels is more alpha than him.

It is possible, though, that 'the Chinese', even 'ruling elite Chinese' are not entirely unified or of one mind in their attitude to Trump. Probably a mistake to assume any 'other' is a four-dimensional-chess-playing genius.
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China has been methodical and consistent in their foreign policy and national growth. Sure, they’ve had some misfires (ghost cities), and the human right and environmental toll is horrendous, but they’ve steadily marched forward.

When Obama made China one of his priorities, the outgoing Bush Administration complained that it suggested their failure, yet American foreign policy towards China has largely revolved around a predictable and mutually beneficial trade relationship.

While it might not be 4D chess, you throw something like this out there because people will divisively read into it what they want.
 
fskimospy said:



Pretty incredible statements. Basically China thinks Trump is corrupt and easily bribed, that he's so incompetent at negotiations that his presence on our side gives them an advantage, and that he's undermined the US system of alliances which gives China a strategic advantage. In short the US' chief global rival loves that Trump is the president because he's a corrupt idiot and he's easy to play.
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Thank god we've got the winningest president ever!
 
Starbuck1975 said:
China could also be following Russia’s lead in throwing red meat into the divisive social media pool.

Trump just signed a bill in support of the Hong Kong protestors. Bet China just loves that!
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Trump only signed it because it had a veto proof majority. He never would have pushed the issue on his own because he doesn’t give a shit.

So yes, this is another case of showing how and why China prefers Trump. He’s easy to manipulate, is a bad negotiator, and will willingly trade away core issues for China in a way other presidents wouldn’t.
 
Starbuck1975 said:
China has been methodical and consistent in their foreign policy and national growth. Sure, they’ve had some misfires (ghost cities), and the human right and environmental toll is horrendous, but they’ve steadily marched forward.

When Obama made China one of his priorities, the outgoing Bush Administration complained that it suggested their failure, yet American foreign policy towards China has largely revolved around a predictable and mutually beneficial trade relationship.

While it might not be 4D chess, you throw something like this out there because people will divisively read into it what they want.
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I just doubt that Chinese opinion, even elite ruling opinion, is as monolithic as that. And I think it's just an intrinsically difficult problem they are having to find a strategy for, insofar as powers like the US and China are both rivals and also inter-dependent. You want your rival to do badly, but not _too_ badly.
 
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