CHILD ABUSE

[DrPizza]

how about "mind your own business" for 500 Alex.

you make me sick for wanting to call CPS on a family you dont know based on ONE incident.

so again before you call CPS on somebody you better make damn sure you are right and not reacting to a knee jerk emotion.

also, if that couple calls your boss about this you may be out of a job.

Actually, some of us would lose our job if we DIDN'T complain to CPS on such an incident. Our professional licenses are at stake. Many of us are mandatory reporters. If we fail to report suspected cases of child abuse, it's our asses on the line. Seeing a parent abusing a medication in this manner is more than reason enough to cause a report to be made.

 

[imported_quasi]

Originally posted by: FettsBabe
Quasi,

The parents were drugging the child. What makes that right?

I never said what they did was right. In fact, I think many adults use OTC medicine way too much, and I don't support most of its usage for adults, let alone children.

I was commenting on how you worded your opinions. Seriously, read the post I quoted and think about it. Big chicken boy?

 

[irishScott]

I'd say you were in the right. They are retards. Nothing more need be said in this thread.

 

[DrPizza]

Incidentally:
Day care owner convicted of causing toddler's death by medication

BILLINGS, Mont. ? A former day-care owner was found guilty Tuesday of causing the death of a 1-year-old boy by giving him a fatal dose of allergy medication.

Shaking and silently weeping as the verdict was read, Sabine Bieber was convicted of negligent homicide in the death of Dane Heggem, who died while asleep in a crib at a Tiny Tots day care in Laurel on Jan. 31, 2003.

It's a shame. The same people telling you to mind your own business would express outrage over that story. :thumbsup: to you, Fettsbabe.


edit: and if the thread was "toddler dies of overdose..." and you posted, "Hey, I waited on that couple the other night. They gave their toddler Nighttime right in front of me" then these very same people would be singing a completely different story.

 

[oiprocs]

To each his own. Everyone will get a consequence as a result of their action. Some don't learn from their mistakes until it hurts them.

 

[rise]

Originally posted by: DrPizza

how about "mind your own business" for 500 Alex.

you make me sick for wanting to call CPS on a family you dont know based on ONE incident.

so again before you call CPS on somebody you better make damn sure you are right and not reacting to a knee jerk emotion.

also, if that couple calls your boss about this you may be out of a job.

Actually, some of us would lose our job if we DIDN'T complain to CPS on such an incident. Our professional licenses are at stake. Many of us are mandatory reporters. If we fail to report suspected cases of child abuse, it's our asses on the line. Seeing a parent abusing a medication in this manner is more than reason enough to cause a report to be made.

as a parent, i';m suprised you can be so callous. as a parent, i know the pain of having people F with my child. as a parent, i deal with it daily.

i do all i can not to get arrested while dealing with people like you and op.

 

[DrPizza]

Originally posted by: rise
as a parent, i';m suprised you can be so callous. as a parent, i know the pain of having people F with my child. as a parent, i deal with it daily.

i do all i can not to get arrested while dealing with people like you and op.

If that means that you play doctor and use medications intended for adults to medicate your children so they're less annoying to you at night, then I pity your children. Go ahead, spank your children. I don't care. Spank them in line at Walmart while they're throwing the temper tantrum because you won't buy them a G.I. Joe Doll (with kung foo grip). I don't care. To spank or not to spank is a decision that should be made by parents (although some states have taken away the right to that decision.) But, to risk the health of a child by administering a medication that's intended for adults only, and to do so in a manner that is clearly an abuse of that medication, you're a loon if you don't think such actions deserve to be reviewed. You'll note that I posted an article about a day care provider who did exactly that: administered the same type of medication to get the kids to sleep. One child died. Sure, it wasn't a parent; I chose that case intentionally instead of a case involving a parent for a reason: you can be 100% certain that the day care provider did not want any harm to come to the child. (There are plenty of cases where children have overdosed on the same medications and it appears to be an intentional overdose by the parent. Thus, we could be arguing intention in the case of parents all day.) Apparently, you're not aware of the risks of overdosing children with medications that are intended for adults.

 

[Captante]

Originally posted by: DrPizza Actually, some of us would lose our job if we DIDN'T complain to CPS on such an incident. Our professional licenses are at stake. Many of us are mandatory reporters. If we fail to report suspected cases of child abuse, it's our asses on the line. Seeing a parent abusing a medication in this manner is more than reason enough to cause a report to be made.

While I can't defend the actions of those parents in the restaurant & agree that speaking up is the right thing to do, I still believe it would be over the top to report them to CPS based on what the OP actually witnessed, which for all she knows is somthing thats happened once and in addition may have been condoned or even suggested by the childs doctor. We also have no idea if the child was actually given an overdose ... all I'm saying is a bit more information should be sought out before taking a step which could potentially destroy a family.

Further, if the intention was to help the child without possibly doing more harm then good, she likely would have had more success speaking calmly to the parents & explaining the possible consequenses of their actions in a way that they might have listened to, rather then freaking out on them the way it appears to me that she did... very likely her tirade had no positive effect whatsoever on the situation & she was most likely dismissed as a nut-job despite her good intentions.




Edit: Quoted the wrong comment!

 

[Nebor]

I don't see a single thing wrong with it. And I think it was innappropriate for you to say anything. Mind your own business.

 

[cKGunslinger]

I've had at least 3 doctors prescribe small doses of OTC adult medication for our children on multiple occasions.

And if some nosy waitress started screaming bloody murder at me in a restaurant, I'd damn sure ask to see her medical school diploma. And if the only thing she can come up with is a link to some Yahoo news article she once read, she better hope she has 2 other jobs as well.

 

[krunchykrome]

I can already assume the type of parents/people they were for eating dinner late at night with a toddler with them.

9:55pm seems a little late to be dining out with a 2-3 year old, especially on a weeknight.

 

[homercles337]

Jebus christ, calm the fuck down and mind your own business.

 

[purbeast0]

is this Fettsbabe person serious? her/his posts seem like they are coming from a retard.

 

[child of wonder]

So when my doctor told me to give a small amount of Benadryl (far below the adult dose) at night to our 1 year old daughter to help her relax and go to sleep because she would literally squirm around in her crib from 8pm-midnight then we should've alerted the authorities?

I'm not saying what those parents did were right. If they were just giving their kid a bunch of NyQuil of their own accord to shut him up at night then shame on them. However, if a Dr. says it's OK and their kid has a lot of trouble sleeping at night, then it's understandable.

 

[MisterJackson]

Momma always said "Just put some Tussin on it!". /Chris Rock

 

[Number1]

Save your energy for worthwile causes.
You're no doctor and have NO idea of that familie's circonstances.

Also it is kind of hypocritical of you to wait for your tip before lecturing them. If you where THAT concerned you would have stoped them from giving the baby the medication.

You are lucky they did not complain to your boss.

 

[mattpegher]

Although you have already stated that you feel compelled not to mind your own business, I will warn you not to play doctor. Your understanding of the antihistamines dyphenhidramine and doxylamine is cursory at best. Neither is contraindicated is children. That being said using an antihistamine as a sleep aid for children on a regular basis unless instructed by a their pediatrician is poor parenting. However please do not trivialize the attrocity of physical and emotional abuse by equating it to this.

It took 4 years of med school, 4 years of residency and 10 years of clinical practice for me to get to the level of understanding I now have regarding the truths and falacies of pharmacologic research, FDA warnings, political interference and popular media perspective. Your soapbox laymans approach is myopic and misdirected.

Rant all you desire but realize that you have no authority in this matter.

 

[DaShen]

Originally posted by: Pepsi90919

Originally posted by: FettsBabe
Caps in the message about the parents because thats about exactly the way I said it. I can't believe I have the balls to call them out at my job and in public!!!!! I have Brass lots of Brass!!!!

posting while drunk is so 2005

hahahaa

 

[rise]

Originally posted by: DrPizza

Originally posted by: rise
as a parent, i';m suprised you can be so callous. as a parent, i know the pain of having people F with my child. as a parent, i deal with it daily.

i do all i can not to get arrested while dealing with people like you and op.

If that means that you play doctor and use medications intended for adults to medicate your children so they're less annoying to you at night, then I pity your children. Go ahead, spank your children. I don't care. Spank them in line at Walmart while they're throwing the temper tantrum because you won't buy them a G.I. Joe Doll (with kung foo grip). I don't care. To spank or not to spank is a decision that should be made by parents (although some states have taken away the right to that decision.) But, to risk the health of a child by administering a medication that's intended for adults only, and to do so in a manner that is clearly an abuse of that medication, you're a loon if you don't think such actions deserve to be reviewed. You'll note that I posted an article about a day care provider who did exactly that: administered the same type of medication to get the kids to sleep. One child died. Sure, it wasn't a parent; I chose that case intentionally instead of a case involving a parent for a reason: you can be 100% certain that the day care provider did not want any harm to come to the child. (There are plenty of cases where children have overdosed on the same medications and it appears to be an intentional overdose by the parent. Thus, we could be arguing intention in the case of parents all day.) Apparently, you're not aware of the risks of overdosing children with medications that are intended for adults.

its a fine line certainly but its likewise a fine line when you don't know your place and make assumptions that could alter many peoples lives.

 

[waggy]

I have to agree with citrix on this.

Even threatening CPS is overkill. while they are bad parents for useing it to get the kid to sleep (here is a better idea go home in a quite surrondings). BUT i have had doctors give have us give my daughter a dose (very small dose) to help her sleep when she is not feeling well.

throwing around accusations of child abuse etc in public is nuts.

Originally posted by: quasi

Originally posted by: FettsBabe
"this is my last post in this thread"

Run Like A Chicken Big Boy!!!!

A child's interest is above the parents and I saw them give a alcohol based adult medication to their child who said it was for "sleep."
I also saw his head start to tilt a few minutes later and he could barely hold it up.

Drug abuse, child abuse, child neglect and possibly child death. Oh, yeah, but I am supposed to be sure... I saw it big boy...i meant little chicken!!!!!!

What I want to know is how you ever became an elite member.

i wondered that myself. only thing i can think of is seh is nailing someone.

 

[NuroMancer]

Originally posted by: waggy
I have to agree with citrix on this.

Even threatening CPS is overkill. while they are bad parents for useing it to get the kid to sleep (here is a better idea go home in a quite surrondings). BUT i have had doctors give have us give my daughter a dose (very small dose) to help her sleep when she is not feeling well.

throwing around accusations of child abuse etc in public is nuts.

Originally posted by: quasi

Originally posted by: FettsBabe
"this is my last post in this thread"

Run Like A Chicken Big Boy!!!!

A child's interest is above the parents and I saw them give a alcohol based adult medication to their child who said it was for "sleep."
I also saw his head start to tilt a few minutes later and he could barely hold it up.

Drug abuse, child abuse, child neglect and possibly child death. Oh, yeah, but I am supposed to be sure... I saw it big boy...i meant little chicken!!!!!!

What I want to know is how you ever became an elite member.

i wondered that myself. only thing i can think of is seh is nailing someone.

Or she did something for the community in the last 7 years she was here...

I also want to note that I think that it would probally be overkill to report an incident like this to CPS. Even though the bottle is empty, it could have been a one time incident, or any other number of things. You just don't know. Infact, it could have been recomended by their doctor!

You don't know how much they gave him, so it could have been a small dose. The fact that the lady responded with "I will ask the doctor" makes me think that there is at least some parental responsability as the bottle says to consult a doctor for children under 12.

 

[imported_Imp]

I agree that it's probably not a good idea to be drugging a child, but there's no way you know the full story of the child. Like most of the parents here said, maybe a doctor prescribed it or maybe they really are abusing the kid. Who knows in your...oh...hour of "watching" them.

As for calling CPS, overkill and back the hell off. I'm sick of holier than thou people who scream child abuse every chance they get. If you gotta step up and call CPS, you better be sure exactly what's going on or you ruin the family who may just chosen non-PC forms of discipline. Otherwise, you get to hear how people get their children taken away cause they spanked them in public for doing something really bad.

 

[zerocool1]

Originally posted by: Number1

Also it is kind of hypocritical of you to wait for your tip before lecturing them. If you where THAT concerned you would have stoped them from giving the baby the medication.

read the thread... the op later said that they did it after they were paid up. and besides how is it hypocritical?

@OP, i don't know if i would have said anything. but it would depend on how much they gave the kid. if i were to approach the parents i would say something like, what did you give the kid and what for...manipulating it so it would seem like i would use it on my kid even if you don't, hell then you can ask them how much to give so it doesn't sound like you're going off on them. but that's just me.

hypocritical
Being a hypocrite. Saying one thing but acting or thinking in a contradictory manner.
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[Mxylplyx]

Originally posted by: DrPizza

how about "mind your own business" for 500 Alex.

you make me sick for wanting to call CPS on a family you dont know based on ONE incident.

so again before you call CPS on somebody you better make damn sure you are right and not reacting to a knee jerk emotion.

also, if that couple calls your boss about this you may be out of a job.

Actually, some of us would lose our job if we DIDN'T complain to CPS on such an incident. Our professional licenses are at stake. Many of us are mandatory reporters. If we fail to report suspected cases of child abuse, it's our asses on the line. Seeing a parent abusing a medication in this manner is more than reason enough to cause a report to be made.

Hmm, I'm fairly sure a waitress isnt a mandatory reporter of child abuse.

 

[Mxylplyx]

Originally posted by: mattpegher
Although you have already stated that you feel compelled not to mind your own business, I will warn you not to play doctor. Your understanding of the antihistamines dyphenhidramine and doxylamine is cursory at best. Neither is contraindicated is children. That being said using an antihistamine as a sleep aid for children on a regular basis unless instructed by a their pediatrician is poor parenting. However please do not trivialize the attrocity of physical and emotional abuse by equating it to this.

It took 4 years of med school, 4 years of residency and 10 years of clinical practice for me to get to the level of understanding I now have regarding the truths and falacies of pharmacologic research, FDA warnings, political interference and popular media perspective. Your soapbox laymans approach is myopic and misdirected.

Rant all you desire but realize that you have no authority in this matter.

The doctor has spoken. So MYFB.