Chicago Going Crazy

[blackangst1]

Have you considered the rioting and looting started due to escalation from federal and local police?

No because the idea that people are somehow turned from peaceful protesters into violent criminals in some cases by the presence of police is ridiculous.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

No because the idea that people are somehow turned from peaceful protesters into violent criminals in some cases by the presence of police is ridiculous.

Why do you assume that a person cannot be both under different circumstances? Historically, it's been pretty damned easy to get humans to do violent stuff to each other/to property. A little tip in that direction can be all it takes.

Doubly so if you've got a whole pile of chaos in an area, and include those aforementioned 'bad apples'. If the entire protest was full of the true 'rioters/looters' Chicago would be burned down overnight.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

In case anybody doesn't know Chicago is one of the most segregated (racially and economically) cities in the country. This in a nation that already has MANY such places big and small. Government policy over the decades systematically looted black America and we're surprised when we get looted back from time to time. Also I'm not inclined to pretend many people who are clutching at pearls over this actually give any shits about the people involved on either side but just want to use it as a partisan/ideological stick to beat people with.

Heavily progressive liberals have been in power in Chicago for ... Wait for it.. since the 1930s. What is it that you guys need?

Impose your own programs
Impose your own minimum wage
Raise your taxes (They already have - Chicago is perhaps the WORST place for high state income/property/sales taxes) to support them


Inyet the homeless problems and the crime problems still remain. The segregation still remains. The roads and traffic and public transit there is total dog shit.

All you have is a huge ass bloated city just wasting money like crazy, not addressing the problems - but constantly coming back to say "Raise taxes again. Help the black people"... and then you just continue to look the other way after elections.

When will Democrats learn to take personal responsibility?

 

[HomerJS]

Just a coincidence trouble stirring up just so Trump can swoop in and take credit.

I small agent provocateur's at work aka umbrella man. Not like Trump hasn't done this before. Cause a problem so he can be a savior.

 

[HomerJS]

Heavily progressive liberals have been in power in Chicago for ... Wait for it.. since the 1930s. What is it that you guys need?

Impose your own programs
Impose your own minimum wage
Raise your taxes (They already have - Chicago is perhaps the WORST place for high state income/property/sales taxes) to support them


Inyet the homeless problems and the crime problems still remain. The segregation still remains.

All you have is a huge ass bloated city just wasting money like crazy, not addressing the problems - but constantly coming back to say "Raise taxes again. Help the black people"... and then you just continue to look the other way after elections.

When will Democrats learn to take personal responsibility?

Democrats haven't killed 160,000 people. Speaking of responsibility

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

Why do you assume that a person cannot be both under different circumstances? Historically, it's been pretty damned easy to get humans to do violent stuff to each other/to property. A little tip in that direction can be all it takes.

Doubly so if you've got a whole pile of chaos in an area, and include those aforementioned 'bad apples'. If the entire protest was full of the true 'rioters/looters' Chicago would be burned down overnight.

Probably because peaceful protesters generally don't bring objects to smash windows, duffel bags to place stolen items in, and also have getaway drivers to quickly load stolen items into cars to then quickly get away with.

 

[theeedude]

Trump's "law and order" "great" America is happening.

 

[HomerJS]

Probably because peaceful protesters generally don't bring objects to smash windows, duffel bags to place stolen items in, and also have getaway drivers to quickly load stolen items into cars to then quickly get away with.

Yes buy very fine peaceful protestors bring tiki torches so they can shout anti-Semitic hate and bring guns to the same protest the next morning.

 

[SteveGrabowski]

Protestors Criticized For Looting Businesses Without Forming Private Equity Firm First

MINNEAPOLIS—Calling for a more measured way to express opposition to police brutality, critics slammed demonstrators Thursday for recklessly looting businesses without forming a private equity firm first. “Look, we all have the right to protest, but that doesn’t mean you can just rush in and...

www.theonion.com

Protestors Criticized For Looting Businesses Without Forming Private Equity Firm First
MINNEAPOLIS—Calling for a more measured way to express opposition to police brutality, critics slammed demonstrators Thursday for recklessly looting businesses without forming a private equity firm first. “Look, we all have the right to protest, but that doesn’t mean you can just rush in and destroy any business without gathering a group of clandestine investors to purchase it at a severely reduced price and slowly bleed it to death,” said Facebook commenter Amy Mulrain, echoing the sentiments of detractors nationwide who blasted the demonstrators for not hiring a consultant group to take stock of a struggling company’s assets before plundering. “I understand that people are angry, but they shouldn’t just endanger businesses without even a thought to enriching themselves through leveraged buyouts and across-the-board terminations. It’s disgusting to put workers at risk by looting. You do it by chipping away at their health benefits and eventually laying them off. There’s a right way and wrong way to do this.” At press time, critics recommended that protestors hold law enforcement accountable by simply purchasing the Minneapolis police department from taxpayers.

 

[MtnMan]

It must be in the air... and clearly not limited to Chicago. I live in a town of 85K, and weird crap/protests are a daily thing, mostly de-fund the police. Just looked at arrest reports from this weekend's demonstrations/mini-riots. Shit like they go to a hotel, prevent guest from getting to their rooms and break out windows. WTF does that have to do with anything?

All arrests were women all in their late 20's, early 30's, except one 19 year old, and probably 40% of them are out of town/state residents.

 

[HomerJS]

For people who think defund the police can't work I give you...

What happened after Camden, NJ disbanded its police department

A once-crime-riddled New Jersey city disbanded its police department and formed a new one in 2013 — and this is what happened. The story of Camden — a city of about 74,000 outside Phila…

nypost.com

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

Probably because peaceful protesters generally don't bring objects to smash windows, duffel bags to place stolen items in, and also have getaway drivers to quickly load stolen items into cars to then quickly get away with.

So then you agree that it's probably a handful of bad actors showing up to these events, to start shit and/or take advantage of the situation?

EDIT: see above:

All arrests were women all in their late 20's, early 30's, except one 19 year old, and probably 40% of them are out of town/state residents.

Second question, were they showing up prior to the expanded federal forces in the area?

 

[MtnMan]

For people who think defund the police can't work I give you...

What happened after Camden, NJ disbanded its police department

A once-crime-riddled New Jersey city disbanded its police department and formed a new one in 2013 — and this is what happened. The story of Camden — a city of about 74,000 outside Phila…

nypost.com

You might want to actually read the article. They didn't defund the department, they cleaned house and and formed a new department. Funds were never cut.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

You might want to actually read the article. They didn't defund the department, they cleaned house and and formed a new department. Funds were never cut.

Shhhhhhh let him live his dreams, why are you crushing them?

 

[fskimospy]

I wonder why people in Chicago might be mad at the police.

The disappeared: Chicago police detain Americans at abuse-laden 'black site'

Exclusive: Secret interrogation facility reveals creeping aspects of war on terror in US city as accounts describe shackling and brutality without basic rights

www.theguardian.com

 

[K1052]

Heavily progressive liberals have been in power in Chicago for ... Wait for it.. since the 1930s. What is it that you guys need?

Impose your own programs
Impose your own minimum wage
Raise your taxes (They already have - Chicago is perhaps the WORST place for high state income/property/sales taxes) to support them


Inyet the homeless problems and the crime problems still remain. The segregation still remains. The roads and traffic and public transit there is total dog shit.

All you have is a huge ass bloated city just wasting money like crazy, not addressing the problems - but constantly coming back to say "Raise taxes again. Help the black people"... and then you just continue to look the other way after elections.

When will Democrats learn to take personal responsibility?

Lol I'd love for people like you to get in a time machine and go back to say the 50s or 60s in Chicago (or most of America) as a black person to see what passed for "progressive liberal" government at the time. Just a planet sized lack of context in the historical record that you're talking confidently about.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

Lol I'd love for people like you to get in a time machine and go back to say the 50s or 60s in Chicago (or most of America) as a black person to see what passed for "progressive liberal" government at the time. Just a planet sized lack of context in the historical record that you're talking confidently about.

You're ignoring my point and ignorantly cherry-picking one part of my argument and warping it as if I was talking specifically about the 1930 - 1960 time period.


So with that said - given ALL the facts that I outlined above, why is Chicago still a shithole today?

With how much people fantasize about programs to help the poor, blacks, and homeless - why haven't they?

There is absolutely nothing that stops them at the local level.

 

[fskimospy]

Oh good, we are back to the ‘why haven’t progressives fixed all the problems yet’ thing.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Something something... peaceful protests... few bad apples.... overuse of force....

Just a few bad apples in the Chicago Police force.....just a few.....

 

[JEDIYoda]

You're ignoring my point and ignorantly cherry-picking one part of my argument and warping it as if I was talking specifically about the 1930 - 1960 time period.


So with that said - given ALL the facts that I outlined above, why is Chicago still a shithole today?

With how much people fantasize about programs to help the poor, blacks, and homeless - why haven't they?

There is absolutely nothing that stops them at the local level.

The police have made is a shithole!!

 

[fskimospy]

Also, are we saying that Richard Daley of all people was a progressive? Lol, wut.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

So with that said - given ALL the facts that I outlined above, why is Chicago still a shithole today?

Really, America is a shithole. Cities tend to concentrate things, but you can honestly blame 40 years of wage stagnation, coupled with a war on drugs, war on blacks, war on homelessness, war on the poor, and of course just plain old war.

 

[JEDIYoda]

He's trying to say that things are worse because of the police being there to stop the looting.

Trying to give the "If they just let them run rampant they won't cause too much harm and will just go home eventually" narrative. It's pretty funny.

That is so idiotic.....the Police in Chicago are part of the problem!!

 

[dank69]

Im just curious what a community liaison would actually do.

They could help you find someone to treat your mental health.

 

[K1052]

You're ignoring my point and ignorantly cherry-picking one part of my argument and warping it as if I was talking specifically about the 1930 - 1960 time period.


So with that said - given ALL the facts that I outlined above, why is Chicago still a shithole today?

With how much people fantasize about programs to help the poor, blacks, and homeless - why haven't they?

There is absolutely nothing that stops them at the local level.

In short long running economic inequality driven by racist policies/laws sometimes imposed and or funded at the federal policy level and a few misguided attempts to help. Just like most of America. You act like there was some kind of hard stop to racism where progressive liberalism just took over and failed to do anything. How incredibly naive or intentionally obtuse.