Chicago bar denies entry to black college students

[halik]

http://www.myfoxchicago.com/dp...hers_accused_of_racism



Details are a bit vague. Nonetheless, I guess racism exists in places you least expect it. Chicago? Say it ain't so.

Switching clothes and trying again is really clever, although I'm not sure if you can sue for discrimination in Illinois.

When this happened in NYC, the bar had to cough up $35K
http://gothamist.com/2008/03/05/murray_hill_bar.php

 

[Jaskalas]

I dont agree with this kind of behavior.

I don't agree with it either, but I'll defend his right to do it. Just as I will defend other's right to boycott the bar in return.

 

[Brainonska511]

I don't agree with it either, but I'll defend his right to do it. Just as I will defend other's right to boycott the bar in return.

He doesn't have a right to deny entry to his open-to-the-public establishment on the basis of race.

Now, if he was discriminating using a written dress code, then I'd be okay with that one.

 

[BeauJangles]

LOL, my brother tells me there is a douchey bar in philly that pulls the same shit. It has dress rules that effectively try to ban black people - no visible jewelry, no baseball hats (or at least they have to be on straight), no large white t-shirts, no baggy jeans, etc....

Not only does it horrify me that many institutions try to effectively discriminate against a group of people based on secondary criteria, but it's even worse that people jump to their defense.

 

[CallMeJoe]

Well, to hear the more left-leaning among our fellow posters talk, one would think that the South is populated entirely by baby-eating klansmen.

Not entirely by Klansmen, though I knew more than a few young Klan members when I lived in Birmingham.

May I ask where you reside, since you seem to consider yourself an authority on Southern racial attitudes?

 

[Phokus]

IMO, a bar is private property, and the owner should be able to choose who is and isn't allowed on his property. I choose who and who isn't allowed in my home.

I guess the civil rights act still makes you butt hurt doesn't it?

Don't worry, i'm sure they'll invent a time machine so you economic conservatives can go back in time to a 'better' place when it was legal to deny black people service and employment because of their skin color.

 

[Jaskalas]

He doesn't have a right to deny entry to his open-to-the-public establishment on the basis of race.

Now, if he was discriminating using a written dress code, then I'd be okay with that one.

You have no right to tell him what he can or cannot do.

 

[Brainonska511]

Not only does it horrify me that many institutions try to effectively discriminate against a group of people based on secondary criteria, but it's even worse that people jump to their defense.

I present Exhibit 1:

You have no right to tell him what he can or cannot do.

 

[Jaskalas]

I present Exhibit 1:

It’s a tough choice between fascism, socialism, and communism when trying to decide what ideology makes you think you’ve the right to tell people what to do with themselves. Whatever it originates from it sure as hell isn’t liberty. Which is something this country and its people previously stood for.

You are as foreign to this country as you are to me.

 

[3chordcharlie]

You have no right to tell him what he can or cannot do.

That's quite true.

It is highly unlikely that bars in Chicago are specifically allowed to deny entry based on race.

 

[Brainonska511]

It’s a tough choice between fascism, socialism, and communism when trying to decide what ideology makes you think you’ve the right to tell people what to do with themselves. Whatever it originates from it sure as hell isn’t liberty. Which is something this country and its people previously stood for.

You are as foreign to this country as you are to me.

You think it's okay to deny someone entry to a place open to the public because they are black? You're ridiculous.

 

[CallMeJoe]

You have no right to tell him what he can or cannot do.

You have no concept of "Public Accommodation", do you?

Is it OK for the bar to exclude Jews, Asians and women, or do support only the exclusion of blacks?

 

[Jaskalas]

You think it's okay to deny someone entry to a place open to the public because they are black? You're ridiculous.

I have no intention of going back and forth with you. I stand by my OP. If that's what you really oppose then so be it.

I dont agree with this kind of behavior.

I don't agree with it either, but I'll defend his right to do it. Just as I will defend other's right to boycott the bar in return.

 

[bamacre]

your an idiot dude......a bar is not even close to private property.......just like Kmart cannot be considered private property....duh....

Well, it isn't public property.

But I'm not really discussing the law as it is, just my own political perception of the situation. Ever been kicked out of a bar? Think you have a right to enter any business establishment?

 

[brandonb]

Around my excellent compatriot Rapids, MN, there are several bars that were successful and were running for years until the local black kids decided to make it their new hangout. Now they are defunct and closed within 6 months of that happening. I wonder why?

 

[bamacre]

He doesn't have a right to deny entry to his open-to-the-public establishment on the basis of race.

Now, if he was discriminating using a written dress code, then I'd be okay with that one.

So the owner can discriminate as long as you agree with the discrimination, gotcha.

 

[Brainonska511]

So the owner can discriminate as long as you agree with the discrimination, gotcha.

No, the owner can discriminate as long as it isn't on the basis of protected class. If he wanted to have a dress code targeted against stereotypical black people (oversized shirts, baggy pants, crooked baseball hats, flashy jewelry, etc), go right ahead, as long as it is applied evenly to all patrons.

 

[bamacre]

I guess the civil rights act still makes you butt hurt doesn't it?

Don't worry, i'm sure they'll invent a time machine so you economic conservatives can go back in time to a 'better' place when it was legal to deny black people service and employment because of their skin color.

What is ironic with your statement here is that you champion government as the great defender of rights, when it was government that put MLK Jr. in jail on many occasions. It was government that failed to acknowledge his right to vote. The government was the biggest racist and that's the worst kind of racism.

 

[bamacre]

No, the owner can discriminate as long as it isn't on the basis of protected class. If he wanted to have a dress code targeted against stereotypical black people (oversized shirts, baggy pants, crooked baseball hats, flashy jewelry, etc), go right ahead, as long as it is applied evenly to all patrons.

Protected class? Can you elaborate on what you mean here?

 

[n yusef]

I wouldn't have always said this, but who gives a shit about one racist bar in Chicago? This isn't the civil rights era, or even twenty years ago, when one could legitimately say that many places discriminated against black people. There are hundreds of Chicago bars that are welcoming to blacks.

I say this without any consideration of the racists' rights (I'm not a libertarian). Instead, I view this in light of all of the issues facing poor black people, in America, and frankly, in Chicago. In this context, it's hard to be sympathetic to some college student who can't get into a bar.

 

[Mike Gayner]

Around my excellent compatriot Rapids, MN, there are several bars that were successful and were running for years until the local black kids decided to make it their new hangout. Now they are defunct and closed within 6 months of that happening. I wonder why?

Definitely due to the melanin in their skin. No doubt about it.

 

[Brainonska511]

Protected class? Can you elaborate on what you mean here?

Race, sex, disability, religion, ethnicity, etc....

 

[jpeyton]

IMO, a bar is private property, and the owner should be able to choose who is and isn't allowed on his property. I choose who and who isn't allowed in my home.

A bar is open to the public, your home is not. If the owner wants to make it a private members only bar, he can do so. But as of now, it's open to the public, like every other bar in Chicago.

You cannot deny service to someone based on the color of their skin.

 

[bamacre]

Race, sex, disability, religion, ethnicity, etc....

Caucasian is a race. Is it a "protected class?"

Shouldn't all people be protected equally?

I believe government should be blind to the color of one's skin, one's religious beliefs, one's gender, and one's sexual orientation. There should be only one "protected class," and it consists of all individuals.

 

[n yusef]

Caucasian is a race. Is it a "protected class?"

Yes.