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Chicago bar denies entry to black college students

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Lifer
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You still posit that the passage of two Constitutional Amendments ended racial hatred and ignorance in the United States, ignoring another century of the institutional and cultural oppression of blacks?
I said no such thing. I said they can regulate, not eliminate.

The passage of those amendments was admirable, but would have served the former slaves far better had the federal government not ceded the former slaves to the gentle ministrations of the Klan as soon as it was politically expedient to withdraw Union troops from the not-quite-Reconstructed South.
It took the efforts of millions of black Americans with the support of the now-maligned Liberals of the '60s to complete the liberation begun by the Lincoln administration but almost immediately abandoned by his successors.
Huh? How does this refute anything I've said about the 13th and 14th amendments being able to successfully regulate ignorance and hatred? (nowhere near perfect but still far more viable than the alternative of doing nothing).

I'm guessing from the naivete of your postings in this thread that you did not experience the unenlightened Dixie of the 50s and 60s; as a resident of "Bombingham" during the reign of Governor Wallace and the glory days of Bull Connor, I have a rather more immediate perspective on the subject.
And again, what do the 1950's and 1960's have to do with the success of the 13th and 14th amendments that were passed nearly 100 years earlier from that date? I already ceded the lack of success in rooting out racial prejudice after the amendments. Of course, no one here argued you could root out racial prejudice, ignorance and/or hatred with laws. You can indeed regulate them and improve things tremendously, of course, and that's exactly what they did.
 

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Lifer
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Bars are not "open to the public". Lets dispel this farce of a notion.

Bars are not public property they are private establishments open to the "paying public". If you don't buy a drink or pay any cover charge they require to get into their establishment, etc then they have the right to kick you out no questions asked or refuse you service out right. They also have a right to remove or ban you from their premises you if you start a fight, act rude or if they think you are too ugly to fit with the bar scene they are catering too. If a bar owner or bar staff allows an individual to hang out at a bar without buying drinks, food, etc they do so at their lenient discretion.

This isn't a communist or socialist nation (Not yet anyhow but give Obama and the dems some time) so property owners and business people still have the right to determine the policies for their businesses and who they will or will not do business with baring any outright blatant violations of the law.
Bars are businesses open to the public and fall under the jurisdiction of the Commerce clause, and has absolutely no correlation with communism or socialism or whatever other central planning term you don't quite understand. The clause allows laws to be passed by Congress that forces these businesses to comply with basic human rights, such as not being able to racially discriminate against minorities.
 

tk149

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I used to live near that bar (about 4 years ago) and have been in there a few times. I never noticed any specific race being encouraged or discouraged from hanging out there (and I'm not caucasian).

That bar is located on a very well-known street with a bunch of other bars. It's a popular spot for tourists and locals.

Unless things have changed, dramatically, based on my experience, I very much doubt that racism was involved in this incident. I do not think the students are telling the whole story. My guess is that they were either drunk, or were overly rowdy. Maybe the bouncer saw one of them pinch some random chick's butt while they were walking by. Who knows?

:( Now I want an Irish Car Bomb...
 

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