Cheney Says He Favors Limbaugh Over Powell as Model Republican

[Hayabusa Rider]

Originally posted by: dahunan
^^^ Because

The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.
Edmund Burke

Cheney has more followers than Bush..
20 million? people listen to Rush everyday?
in 2004 elections potentially 1/3rd of the Bush voters were also Limbaugh listeners

Cheney has done more harm to this great nation than Osama himself

While I like what Burke said, you need to consider what "nothing" really means. Sometimes the very act of doing nothing IS doing something.

To be sure, we here at P&N aren't going to influence anything, but if the Dems really want to render Cheney and his chosen ineffective then dismiss him. By looking at him like an idiot, he will fade away like some kook cultist.

Conversely, by dragging him out whenever he says something they don't agree with, people say "Oh yeah, Cheney. I almost forgot about him. What's he saying again?"

In this case, marginalizing IS action, however much of an oxymoron that seems to be.

 

[dahunan]

^I respect and totally understand what you are saying.. but 60 plus million people voted for him in 2004..... IDK.. .. I do give him energy by my hate.. my energy

I just cannot believe my fellow countrymen voted for him and do still listen to him.. he is a disgrace to democracy and freedom and American values

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: BMW540I6speed

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: loki8481
seriously, who actually cares what Cheney thinks?

The left. For being progessives they sure spend a lot of time in the past.

Limbaugh, Cheney and Palin.

2 of the 3 are irrelevant when it comes to future politics and the third is a talk show radio host who has no direct say over public policy.

Come on man, you usually have a more pragmatic and balanced view on things than this.

All i hear is why does "the Left" care what talk radio and people like Cheney have to say?.

And to insinuate that this "left" group is the only segment of the political landscape to "spend a lot of time in the past" on a political message board or in direct conversation is silly. The "left" & the "right" look into history. I hear, "but, but Clinton", I hear "but, but Carter" etc. constantly. this is not a revelation.

I don't know what people are looking at or talking to but there are many pissed off former registered Republicans, independents, moderates who care what these people are saying and doing. It is not just the "left" listening. Anybody who believes that is deluded or in denial. Many want a viable Republican party to form. Many former registered Republicans hope to see an electorate look seriously at these millionare "entertainers" and the bullshit they are peddleing to solidify their ratings. These "millionare entertainers" are convinceing these people to vote againsts their self interest and claim to be for the "common" man, when there is NOTHING common about them. They would not let these listeners set foot in there living rooms.

Sorry, Former Republicans, moderetes, independents ARE important to the party. Not just these "true" conservsatives some think the party should seek out. Does the party leaders really think that future generations are going to be more conserative (particularly on social issues) than their parents?

From Steele's own words last week, the don't want moderates back if we happen to not be Pro-Life. They don't seem to friendly to the idea of some form of a Green Republican. They don't seem to want anyone that doesn't support laws to prevent Gay marriage. I don't think they really want the Rockefeller or Roosevelt Republicans back on our terms. They want us to vote for their flawed platform without thought. Is this a viable strategy to get disaffected Republicans, moderates & independents back to the GOP?

Now we have to listen to fucktards like Cheney propping up Rush Limbaugh as a model Republican, and demonizing sombody like Powell, someone actually who gets it?.

Those supposed "true" 21st Conservitives better get the purely ridiculous notion that only this ficticious fucking group they keep spouting about, aka, the "left" are the only people listening. I guess the "left" constitutes everybody who is not a registered Republican, you know about 22% of the population right now. That is a completly laughable notion.

Dump the religious right wingers and let them fend for themselves, move the party back to a fiscal conservative stance with a more centrist position on many social issues. Basically they need to do what Clinton did to them in the 90's...steal the Dem's thunder on some of the key issues and make people think they are Republican issues and programs. Make a clear distinction between Dems and Pubs on FISCAL issues, not on a bunch of bullshit quasi-religious issues where nothing can or will be done. Disassociate themselves from the majority of the right wing core issues (abortion, gay marriage, stem cell research, prayer in schools, flag burning, etc etc) and take either moderate or neutral stances on those issues.

So the "we" that constitutes the heart of the GOP is well to the right, and any moderates are merely tolerated or actively "coddled". Got it. So the answer would be no, moderates are not welcomed but actively discouraged. What are going to be the next groups to be excommunicated in the cause of purity? Nothing much is going to change as long as that is the dominant attitude there. You'll need a new generation of mature leaders to emerge who aren't tied to the litmus tests or the utter irresponsibility of the last 8 years. That won't be overnight, either.

I agree with you on most of your points. I have been saying the Republicans best proposition is to go with a small govt platform and dump the social issues to the back. Most of these social issues are going to be duhversions to keep the platform in limbo anyways. And they cant win anyways as the majority of moderates are moderate on the issues. Small efficient govt trascends social backgrounds. If you look at the polls a good % or even a majority still believe in small govt ideals. It is a much stronger % than any social issues.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Originally posted by: dahunan
^I respect and totally understand what you are saying.. but 60 plus million people voted for him in 2004..... IDK.. .. I do give him energy by my hate.. my energy

I just cannot believe my fellow countrymen voted for him and do still listen to him.. he is a disgrace to democracy and freedom and American values

And I understand why you feel as you do. The question is "What is best going forward?". It seems to me the answer to that question isn't to bury the past, but to find the best way to approach his kind. IMO, relegating him to the dustbin of failures and treating as such is the way to go. Consider that right now, Cheney and his associates have little real influence with the voters of the party. They raise hell to be sure, but he has remarkably little attraction to the main stream voter.

Let those who support him vote as they please. He'll be forever impotent. What better justice for a man seeking virtually unlimited power to be considered a living relic, a political Coelocanth. The irony is delicious. Like Tantalus, his deepest need forever out of reach.

 

[Xonoahbin]

Originally posted by: Kadarin
Like it or not, Cheney is right. The Republicans, as they are now, are indeed better served by the likes of Limbaughs, Cheneys, and Palins than it is by moderates like Specter and Powell. However, this is largely because the Republican party has morphed into more of a fascist, theocratic model over the last 20 year, and thus these guys fit right into the mold. Accepting moderates and trying to be more "inclusive" dilutes the ideology. The Republican party shouldn't exist for its own sake; it should stand for something.

Of course, I don't necessarily agree with that something that it stands for, and if the vast majority of Americans don't either then it deserves to be marginalized.

Time for a new political party: Center-right, with nods toward being socially progressive, yet fiscally conservative.

Welcome to Libertarianism. I seriously think that the Republican party is going to reform into something of the sort..

 

[MotF Bane]

Originally posted by: Xonoahbin

Originally posted by: Kadarin
Like it or not, Cheney is right. The Republicans, as they are now, are indeed better served by the likes of Limbaughs, Cheneys, and Palins than it is by moderates like Specter and Powell. However, this is largely because the Republican party has morphed into more of a fascist, theocratic model over the last 20 year, and thus these guys fit right into the mold. Accepting moderates and trying to be more "inclusive" dilutes the ideology. The Republican party shouldn't exist for its own sake; it should stand for something.

Of course, I don't necessarily agree with that something that it stands for, and if the vast majority of Americans don't either then it deserves to be marginalized.

Time for a new political party: Center-right, with nods toward being socially progressive, yet fiscally conservative.

Welcome to Libertarianism. I seriously think that the Republican party is going to reform into something of the sort..

:thumbsup:

 

[QuantumPion]

I love it when democrats tell republicans they need to be more liberal in order to be better conservatives. HUH?

 

[jonks]

Originally posted by: ericlp
I wish this guy would just have his heart attack and get it over with already. Every time he talks he just makes a fool out of himself.

Hells no. The longer Limbaugh, Palin, Cheney, Rove & Co. stay out there pushing the same agenda soundly rejected in recent elections, the longer the Reps will stumble in the wilderness. Sometimes you need to hit rock bottom to recover, and apparently the Reps haven't gotten there yet, though Steele is certainly doing his best to see they smack into it soon.

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: QuantumPion
I love it when democrats tell republicans they need to be more liberal in order to be better conservatives. HUH?

They didn't say anything of the sort. What they are saying is that conservatism has failed in quite a few areas and so many you should look for some new ideas.

 

[smashp]

Originally posted by: QuantumPion
I love it when democrats tell republicans they need to be more liberal in order to be better conservatives. HUH?

Actually this independent free thinking individual is Telling the so called "conservative" movement and republican party to come up with some real Idea's. The Longer they continue to dwell on their platform of Bullshit, they will NEVER get my vote. The longer they continue to Worship their idiotic snake oil gas-bag commentators that have ZERO intellectual honesty, They will not get my vote.

The republican Party need to suffer the repercussions of Becomming a party of wedge issues and targeting particular simple minded voting blocks to magically achieve a 50.1 majority. These practices divided people and people began to realize that there is no real substance to your party.

Hence why only 21% of the country are even proud enough to proclaim them selves as a (R) in a recent poll.


Here is a little msg for those (R) out there

You are an embarrassment

You are the joke

You are the only one who doesn't get it

Everyone is laughing at you

 

[BMW540I6speed]

Originally posted by: QuantumPion
I love it when democrats tell republicans they need to be more liberal in order to be better conservatives. HUH?

I have some breaking news for you. Current & former Republicans & Independents are also saying that the party bring something new to the table. This should be evident, unless your one of the 21% of the population registered Republican who thinks that the other 79% of the population are the "liberals" or "the left".

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: QuantumPion
I love it when democrats tell republicans they need to be more liberal in order to be better conservatives. HUH?

When it's coming from the many who recently left the (R) party because of the social conservative stances you should probably listen. Orrrrr just continue going further socially right until your party splits. I'm fine with either.

<=== one of 'them'

 

[jonks]

RNC Chairman Michael Steele calls Republican base religious bigots:

http://politicalticker.blogs.c...or-mormonism-comments/

"It was the base that rejected Mitt [Romney] because it had issues with Mormonism."


This dude is the black Biden.

 

[ayabe]

Originally posted by: Genx87
I agree with you on most of your points. I have been saying the Republicans best proposition is to go with a small govt platform and dump the social issues to the back. Most of these social issues are going to be duhversions to keep the platform in limbo anyways. And they cant win anyways as the majority of moderates are moderate on the issues. Small efficient govt trascends social backgrounds. If you look at the polls a good % or even a majority still believe in small govt ideals. It is a much stronger % than any social issues.

I don't believe the majority of those "small gov." R's even know what that term means anymore, it's a throwaway talking point now. If you were to ask those people who their ideal small gov R would be, they'd probably hoist up Reagan, which shows their fundamental misunderstanding of who they are and what they stand for.

As far as dumping social issues, well that would be the end of the party. That cancer has already metastasized and in the process the party has alienated huge chunks of the electorate.

So the numbers are against them, and if there are any true small gov. R's left in the party, their only real chance of gaining traction is to split, let the anti-science, socially repressive people drown in their ignorance and reboot with a new name and new ideas.

Ultimately, the R's need an few idea men/women who are intellectuals and aren't afraid of being labeled as such. Oh and I would suggest giving up on destroying the New Deal, it's not going to happen and isn't making many friends along the way.

 

[Lanyap]

Originally posted by: jonks
RNC Chairman Michael Steele calls Republican base religious bigots:

http://politicalticker.blogs.c...or-mormonism-comments/

"It was the base that rejected Mitt [Romney] because it had issues with Mormonism."


This dude is the black Biden.

Why bring race into it? Why not "This dude is the Republicans' Biden".

 

[trooper11]

Originally posted by: smashp


Actually this independent free thinking individual is Telling the so called "conservative" movement and republican party to come up with some real Idea's. The Longer they continue to dwell on their platform of Bullshit, they will NEVER get my vote. The longer they continue to Worship their idiotic snake oil gas-bag commentators that have ZERO intellectual honesty, They will not get my vote.

Im sorry to burst your bubble, but they do not worship commentators, they just happen to agree with some of the things those commentators say and enjoy listening to their programs, big difference. Im not saying they agree with every word from them, just enough to want to listen.

Its funny to see how easily the media can prop up a citizen of this country as a leader of a party and then demonize him, to the point that our president is taking shots at him. I dont see Rush as any kind of leader and even he himself very much avoids taking on that role, he doesnt want it.

Yes, the party is in termoil right now and a true leader has not stepped forward and that is what we need. The republicans can object to alot of the things Obama is doing if they just follow that up with sensible alternatives. Just saying no is exactly what the democrats did to Bush, this isa chance to say no and give real alternatives. Those alternatives have not been articulated yet, but that is essential for the people to gain confidence in the Republican party.


The question about how to go forward is very tough. We need to start by defining values that a large majority can agree on and then apply real conservative policies that support those values (i.e. small government, smart spending, strong defense, etc) Finding that one leader to bring people together just hasnt come forward yet.

 

[jonks]

Originally posted by: Lanyap

Originally posted by: jonks
RNC Chairman Michael Steele calls Republican base religious bigots:

http://politicalticker.blogs.c...or-mormonism-comments/

"It was the base that rejected Mitt [Romney] because it had issues with Mormonism."


This dude is the black Biden.

Why bring race into it? Why not "This dude is the Republicans' Biden".

Cause Palin alread has that title

 

[nobodyknows]

Originally posted by: smashp

Originally posted by: QuantumPion
I love it when democrats tell republicans they need to be more liberal in order to be better conservatives. HUH?

Actually this independent free thinking individual is Telling the so called "conservative" movement and republican party to come up with some real Idea's. The Longer they continue to dwell on their platform of Bullshit, they will NEVER get my vote. The longer they continue to Worship their idiotic snake oil gas-bag commentators that have ZERO intellectual honesty, They will not get my vote.

The republican Party need to suffer the repercussions of Becomming a party of wedge issues and targeting particular simple minded voting blocks to magically achieve a 50.1 majority. These practices divided people and people began to realize that there is no real substance to your party.

Hence why only 21% of the country are even proud enough to proclaim them selves as a (R) in a recent poll.


Here is a little msg for those (R) out there

You are an embarrassment

You are the joke

You are the only one who doesn't get it

Everyone is laughing at you

LOL, don't hold it back.

 

[Jaskalas]

Originally posted by: ericlp
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/...UXi5cHxSSGw&refer=home

I think now we know why the country went down the crapper.

Put this guy and bush together and you have the most stupidest people on the planet.

I wish this guy would just have his heart attack and get it over with already. Every time he talks he just makes a fool out of himself.

Powell voted for Obama. So you're telling us Obama supporters are ideal Republicans? I know you're radical, but don't kick the messiah to the curb just yet.

IMO, a Republican should be an ideal Republican. In this case, Limbaugh was the only choice given.

 

[Lemon law]

Jaskalas asserts, "IMO, a Republican should be an ideal Republican. In this case, Limbaugh was the only choice given."

Get a life, Rush Limbaugh lack of logic allows an idiot like Limbaugh to lock step support Cheney all the way. Real Republicans and Colin Powell is a special example, recognize the end does not justify the morally bankrupt Cheney. Its called integrity and character, two things both Limbaugh and Cheney lack and Powell had until Cheney borrowed it and misused it from Powell.

As for Cheney and Limbaugh, think turds of a feather real Republicans can't stand. Cheney and Limbaugh are not ideal Republicans, they are the GOP problem personified.

 

[Sacrilege]

Originally posted by: BMW540I6speed

Originally posted by: QuantumPion
I love it when democrats tell republicans they need to be more liberal in order to be better conservatives. HUH?

I have some breaking news for you. Current & former Republicans & Independents are also saying that the party bring something new to the table. This should be evident, unless your one of the 21% of the population registered Republican who thinks that the other 79% of the population are the "liberals" or "the left".

That 79% is the America hating, left wing, kooky fringe.

 

[EXman]

Originally posted by: ericlp
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/...UXi5cHxSSGw&refer=home

I think now we know why the country went down the crapper.

Put this guy and bush together and you have the most stupidest people on the planet.

I wish this guy would just have his heart attack and get it over with already. Every time he talks he just makes a fool out of himself.

How Dumb can you be? Powell voted/champaigned for/endorsed BHO. He's left the GOP last year. Why would someone like Powell tell anyone in the other party how to run things? That is just plain kindergarten politics.

who is the stupidest now?

 

[EXman]

Originally posted by: BMW540I6speed

Originally posted by: QuantumPion
I love it when democrats tell republicans they need to be more liberal in order to be better conservatives. HUH?

I have some breaking news for you. Current & former Republicans & Independents are also saying that the party bring something new to the table. This should be evident, unless your one of the 21% of the population registered Republican who thinks that the other 79% of the population are the "liberals" or "the left".

You've got it backwards. Or just overgeneralizing. I left the GOP as They are not conservative enough for me. Bush spent like a drunken sailor and basically fed the machine that is now tearing down any and all traditional values in the name of "Change." He sucked at many aspects of being president but many of his unpopular policies were the bread and butter of Democrats. That pisses off the base. He was the Dems wet dream. He handed the presidentcy over to the dems on a silver platter.

Many who left the GOP or did not vote for McCain were either the wishy washy moderates that stand for not much of anything or the uberconservatives who looked at McCain as a JOKE. Then we see teaparties. GOP needs to get off it's ass.

 

[dali71]

Originally posted by: jonks

Originally posted by: ericlp
I wish this guy would just have his heart attack and get it over with already. Every time he talks he just makes a fool out of himself.

Hells no. The longer Limbaugh, Palin, Cheney, Rove & Co. stay out there pushing the same agenda soundly rejected in recent elections, the longer the Reps will stumble in the wilderness. Sometimes you need to hit rock bottom to recover, and apparently the Reps haven't gotten there yet, though Steele is certainly doing his best to see they smack into it soon.

We Republicans have already hit rock bottom, and are recovering just fine:
Read it and be worried, Democrats!

To all of my Conservative brethren out there, keep the faith.

 

[Jaskalas]

Originally posted by: Lemon law
Jaskalas asserts, "IMO, a Republican should be an ideal Republican. In this case, Limbaugh was the only choice given."

Get a life, Rush Limbaugh lack of logic allows an idiot like Limbaugh to lock step support Cheney all the way. Real Republicans and Colin Powell is a special example, recognize the end does not justify the morally bankrupt Cheney. Its called integrity and character, two things both Limbaugh and Cheney lack and Powell had until Cheney borrowed it and misused it from Powell.

As for Cheney and Limbaugh, think turds of a feather real Republicans can't stand. Cheney and Limbaugh are not ideal Republicans, they are the GOP problem personified.

I take it you intend to join the Republican Party then? I mean, if Obama voters are the ideal Republican in your world.

Thing is, if Cheney and Limbaugh were so destructive to your opponent you wouldn't be trashing and talking shit about them. You wouldn't be hammering for them to shut up, you'd want them to continue talking and continue destroying your opposition. In essence, your relentless hate spewed vitriol towards them is their vindication.