Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: loki8481
seriously, who actually cares what Cheney thinks?
The left. For being progessives they sure spend a lot of time in the past.
Limbaugh, Cheney and Palin.
2 of the 3 are irrelevant when it comes to future politics and the third is a talk show radio host who has no direct say over public policy.
Come on man, you usually have a more pragmatic and balanced view on things than this.
All i hear is why does "the Left" care what talk radio and people like Cheney have to say?.
And to insinuate that this "left" group is the only segment of the political landscape to "spend a lot of time in the past" on a political message board or in direct conversation is silly. The "left" & the "right" look into history. I hear, "but, but Clinton", I hear "but, but Carter" etc. constantly. this is not a revelation.
I don't know what people are looking at or talking to but there are many pissed off former registered Republicans, independents, moderates who care what these people are saying and doing. It is not just the "left" listening. Anybody who believes that is deluded or in denial. Many want a viable Republican party to form. Many former registered Republicans hope to see an electorate look seriously at these millionare "entertainers" and the bullshit they are peddleing to solidify their ratings. These "millionare entertainers" are convinceing these people to vote againsts their self interest and claim to be for the "common" man, when there is NOTHING common about them. They would not let these listeners set foot in there living rooms.
Sorry, Former Republicans, moderetes, independents ARE important to the party. Not just these "true" conservsatives some think the party should seek out. Does the party leaders really think that future generations are going to be more conserative (particularly on social issues) than their parents?
From Steele's own words last week, the don't want moderates back if we happen to not be Pro-Life. They don't seem to friendly to the idea of some form of a Green Republican. They don't seem to want anyone that doesn't support laws to prevent Gay marriage. I don't think they really want the Rockefeller or Roosevelt Republicans back on our terms. They want us to vote for their flawed platform without thought. Is this a viable strategy to get disaffected Republicans, moderates & independents back to the GOP?
Now we have to listen to fucktards like Cheney propping up Rush Limbaugh as a model Republican, and demonizing sombody like Powell, someone actually who gets it?.
Those supposed "true" 21st Conservitives better get the purely ridiculous notion that only this ficticious fucking group they keep spouting about, aka, the "left" are the only people listening. I guess the "left" constitutes everybody who is not a registered Republican, you know about 22% of the population right now. That is a completly laughable notion.
Dump the religious right wingers and let them fend for themselves, move the party back to a fiscal conservative stance with a more centrist position on many social issues. Basically they need to do what Clinton did to them in the 90's...steal the Dem's thunder on some of the key issues and make people think they are Republican issues and programs. Make a clear distinction between Dems and Pubs on FISCAL issues, not on a bunch of bullshit quasi-religious issues where nothing can or will be done. Disassociate themselves from the majority of the right wing core issues (abortion, gay marriage, stem cell research, prayer in schools, flag burning, etc etc) and take either moderate or neutral stances on those issues.
So the "we" that constitutes the heart of the GOP is well to the right, and any moderates are merely tolerated or actively "coddled". Got it. So the answer would be no, moderates are not welcomed but actively discouraged. What are going to be the next groups to be excommunicated in the cause of purity? Nothing much is going to change as long as that is the dominant attitude there. You'll need a new generation of mature leaders to emerge who aren't tied to the litmus tests or the utter irresponsibility of the last 8 years. That won't be overnight, either.
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