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There is zero evidence Assange 'aided or encouraged it' any more than the New York Times 'aided or encouraged' Daniel Ellsberg by being a newspaper.

Being a publisher means accepting the information and publishing it, just as the New York Times did and dozens of other American newspapers, and papers are doing now.

It's what they are looking for evidence of and that is all i said.

Let's say i have information on a specific subject and am approached by a reporter who encourages me to commit a crime by telling him about it so i do, evidence is found that he encouraged me, sought me out as one who has information, well there you go, he's now guilty of a crime.

Aiding would mean that he in some way helped me smuggle the information that he knew was illegal for me to hand out.

I'm not saying they will find evidence of any of that since i know nothing about how they handled the information but that is what they are investigating.

I'm willing to bet they will find something, Julian strikes me as quite a retarded twat who is very careless.
 

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It's what they are looking for evidence of and that is all i said.

That's not what you said.

You said, 'if he did it...' without any mention of 'they are looking for evidence of it'.

Let's say i have information on a specific subject and am approached by a reporter who encourages me to commit a crime by telling him about it so i do, evidence is found that he encouraged me, sought me out as one who has information, well there you go, he's now guilty of a crime.

Aiding would mean that he in some way helped me smuggle the information that he knew was illegal for me to hand out.

I'm not saying they will find evidence of any of that since i know nothing about how they handled the information but that is what they are investigating.

I'm willing to bet they will find something, Julian strikes me as quite a retarded twat who is very careless.

WikiLeaks is set up so that the leaker is unknown to Wikileaks. All the evidence suggests the leaker sent the leak to Wikileaks and was not known to them.

Assange re-confirmed today that the first he heard the name was in press reports.

Assange has been far from careless we've seen; the sex allegations are a mystery.
 

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Assange has been far from careless we've seen; the sex allegations are a mystery.

Why do people keep saying he is charged with rape, when in reality at this point he has not been charged yet with anything *at all*, and what happened wasnt rape, it was consensual sex between adults. And a broken condom.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...s-spark-worldwide-hunt.html?ito=feeds-newsxml

If that really warrants an international manhunt, extradition and putting someone in solitary confinement without even charges, I wonder what you suggest we do to real criminals? Send people who illegally park their cars to guantanamo and extraordinary rendition to, say, Egypt for speeding ?
 

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Why do people keep saying he is charged with rape, when in reality at this point he has not been charged yet with anything *at all*, and what happened wasnt rape, it was consensual sex between adults. And a broken condom.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...s-spark-worldwide-hunt.html?ito=feeds-newsxml

If that really warrants an international manhunt, extradition and putting someone in solitary confinement without even charges, I wonder what you suggest we do to real criminals? Send people who illegally park their cars to guantanamo and extraordinary rendition to, say, Egypt for speeding ?

Everyone who claims to care about 'small government', 'abuse of power', 'liberty', 'freedom of speech', 'transparency', 'the power of the people to control their government', should be watching this with real concern for government going outside the law to exercise its power against being exposed for what it does - not by the leaker, who is charged, but by the free press, by Assange who is something of an information anarchist ironically to oppose this sort of 'system' power abuse.

I'm waiting to hear what Assange has done that newspapers haven't done with these documents, or the Pentagon Papers.

Any who say they are against government abuse of power who call for assassination are murderers, and for abuse of criminal justice are immoral and hypocritical.

Name me a tyranny in which publishing leaks isn't a major crime.
 
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That's not what you said.

You said, 'if he did it...' without any mention of 'they are looking for evidence of it'.



WikiLeaks is set up so that the leaker is unknown to Wikileaks. All the evidence suggests the leaker sent the leak to Wikileaks and was not known to them.

Assange re-confirmed today that the first he heard the name was in press reports.

Assange has been far from careless we've seen; the sex allegations are a mystery.

Son, there is no argument to be had, i gave my opinion, you have given yours but let me correct you on a few issues that are well known, Assange personally handled the conversation, PERIOD, Julian Assange is the benevolent dictator of WikiLeaks which the co operators have already said, PERIOD.

I don't think the sex allegations are much of a mystery, if you rape someone, you'll get charged with rape...

I repeat this, Julian Assanges rape charges have ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with WikiLeaks.

I really hate Michael Moore and his ilk for dismissing the entire justice system that has justified probable cause through hearings in two courts in Sweden and two courts in the UK along with Europol and Interpol justified evidence clauses to have him arrested.

But i guess it's like Polanski, rape if you want to and when you get caught just say "they are out to get me for a completely different reason" and really stupid people will agree with that.
 
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Why do people keep saying he is charged with rape, when in reality at this point he has not been charged yet with anything *at all*, and what happened wasnt rape, it was consensual sex between adults. And a broken condom.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...s-spark-worldwide-hunt.html?ito=feeds-newsxml

If that really warrants an international manhunt, extradition and putting someone in solitary confinement without even charges, I wonder what you suggest we do to real criminals? Send people who illegally park their cars to guantanamo and extraordinary rendition to, say, Egypt for speeding ?

NEVER quote the daily fail, it's like quoting the Onion.

He's charged with rape, sexual assault and a few other things against several women, there are witnesses to the incidents and there is evidence.

The Swedish DA made his case for the court to issue an arrest, they did, it was appealed and yet again the higher court issued a new arrest warning, after that an international arrest order was studied based on the case by the interpol as well as Europol, after that he was detained by the Scotland Yard, held in jail as per the court proceedings, let free on a 200K bail but still remains in general custody of the police.

This just doesn't happen based on something that there is no evidence for.

The lawyer for the women and the DA in Sweden have repeated time after time after time that this has absolutely nothing to do with WikiLeaks but only with the criminal charges against Julian Assange.

See, it doesn't matter if you are someones hero, you can't go around raping women anyway.
 

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I have to agree with Craig234 here, what Wikileaks did in releasing various intel is not illegal by any set of international or national laws.

Making it somewhat probable that various nations would send in many operatives to entrap
Juslius Assanges into various false rape charges. But then again, the rape charges may be valid. At least we should admit we all don't know which is true at this point in time.

But now we now have to address reality, if Sweden wants to extradite Assanges, the Swedish prosecutors have to demonstrate to the larger the world their alleged rape victims are credible. So far the Swedish silence is deafening.

The ball is now on the Swedish side of the net, and Twani Brawley or Duke Lacross case
evidence will not meet muster. Nor should I say that the Swedes have nothing, but we have nothing valid thus far to make any judgments on at this point.
 

Craig234

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Son, there is no argument to be had, i gave my opinion, you have given yours but let me correct you on a few issues that are well known, Assange personally handled the conversation, PERIOD, Julian Assange is the benevolent dictator of WikiLeaks which the co operators have already said, PERIOD.

I don't think the sex allegations are much of a mystery, if you rape someone, you'll get charged with rape...

I repeat this, Julian Assanges rape charges have ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with WikiLeaks.

I really hate Michael Moore and his ilk for dismissing the entire justice system that has justified probable cause through hearings in two courts in Sweden and two courts in the UK along with Europol and Interpol justified evidence clauses to have him arrested.

But i guess it's like Polanski, rape if you want to and when you get caught just say "they are out to get me for a completely different reason" and really stupid people will agree with that.

Son, you ignored the facts in my post and went off on your own speculative tangents.

You have *no idea* if the rape charges are related to WikiLeaks.

You *assume* his guilt of rape.

You're claiming major evidence of his guilt presented in court; you don't mention the reports the prosecutor said he needs *no evidence* and presented none.

You make a false comparison to Polanski, who is guilty of what he did.

The question there isn't what you say, but how much to punish decades later. The people you attack include the girl he raped, who has said not to punish him further.

Roman Polanski's most compelling defender is the woman he raped at Jack Nicholson's house when she was just 13.

Now 45, Samantha Geimer is a mother of three who lives quietly in Hawaii and works as a bookkeeper.

In January, Geimer, who publicly forgave Polanski in 1997, filed a formal request that Los Angeles prosecutors drop the charges against him.

"I have survived, indeed prevailed, against whatever harm Mr. Polanski may have caused me as a child," she said at the time. "I got over it a long time ago."

Geimer said Polanski had paid, and she wanted to move on and stop reliving the details of the assault every time he made headlines.

"True as they may be, the continued publication of those details causes harm to me, my beloved husband, my three children and my mother," she said.

In 2003, she wrote a generous Op-Ed in the Los Angeles Times, saying Polanski should not be barred from receiving a Best Director Oscar for "The Pianist."

"I don't really have any hard feelings toward him, or any sympathy, either. He is a stranger to me," she wrote.

The last time Geimer saw Polanski she was a 13-year-old aspiring model lured to a house in the Hollywood Hills for a photo shoot. Polanski plied her with champagne and a Quaalude and took nude pictures of her in a hot tub, despite her requests to go home.

She told the grand jury Polanski then had sex with her and that she was afraid to resist "much."

The director later pleaded guilty to having sex with a minor.

"What happened that night, it's hard to believe, but it paled in comparison to what happened to me in the next year of my life," she said last year, when she appeared in a documentary about problems with the case.

In the end, she was relieved when Polanski fled because reporters stopped calling.

"He did something really gross to me, but it was the media that ruined my life," she told People in 1997.

Geimer did not comment Sunday, when the events of 31 years ago resurfaced once more and reporters started knocking on her door again.