Charlie Kirk shot in the neck during Utah debate and has now passed.

[mikeymikec]

Some more of Charlie Kirk's greatest hits:

https://imgur.com/a/AW2ACaI

 

[zinfamous]

You are right. Most of this is indistinguishable but his children don't deserve any hate. They are young malleable kids that lost their dad because someone didn't have the balls to confront him. Here we are. 2 kids with no dad.. He was an asshole. He didn't deserve to die for his views. Here we are today trying to justify a death of someone we don't agree with. We need to be better . Just beecuse you are republican doesnt make your vote less valued.
I respect every vote cast in

I agree that his children and no children of hate mongers deserve what their parents bring into the world, and that's really sad. One hopes that more wealthy hate merchants absorb the inevitable consequences of bringing endless hate upon them and rethink their lives and their vile, violent actions against humanity. They make these decisions and do this to their family.

In some ways I don't fully blame cognitively-challenged people like Charlie Kirk that created these kinds of careers for themselves--Kirk, especially, was an unformed child when he decided to start piloting his hate wagon across college campuses. This was a guy with access to the endless money of genocidal shadow billionaires that have all been so happy to dump their wealth into turning this country a Randian dystopia of serfs toiling under endless labor to serve the handful of unelected, forever families and their hyper capitalist existence. This must be achieved by turning the hordes of people against one another, and the whites must eliminate all others. This is Thiel, Ellison, Musk and hilariously, now Zuckerburg. I can sympathize with stupid babies like Charlie Kirk being seduced by this kind of money as long as he stays on the path of spreading violence and hatred wherever he went. But of course one has to have access to a dark, inhuman soul to be swallowed up by this, and he certainly was a perfect vessel.

 

[zinfamous]

Nobody dehumanized Kirk they just quoted him. If his words were acceptable for others why are they not acceptable for him?

See, it was only cool when he was demanding that other people be killed...it was all just talk, see? weren't we supposed to understand that he was just having fun? kinda like Trump telling jokes about things that only his diehard fans can truly understand when he's being serious or not? Now that Kirk's message and all of this wildest dreams have been responded to, just as he asked, it is suddenly offensive to remind everyone exactly who he was and exactly what he demanded.

Conservatives will never change. It's in their fucking name.

 

[zinfamous]

You believe the crap he spewed is true and beautiful. Crap like this:

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America is so fucked.

that is just beautiful truth, like Hulk said.

 

[zinfamous]

People here who are normalizing and celebrating the death of a 31 year old father of a 1 and 3 year old whose occupation was to do open debates with college students, all for the crime of disagreeing with them on social and political issues are the current scourge of society and the reason this has happened.

lol, Kirk never held debates. I guess you don't know how debates work. but this is typical of conservatives that have never really read anything.

 

[zinfamous]

my point which you seem to be deliberately missing is that nobody who is progressive or a believer in human rights has any reason to stoop to trump, or charlies levels.

" The country is better off with Kirk dead"

if you really think this person was so bad, why do you think its okay someone murdered him? Or maybe you don't and are antagonizing, but people are happy he is dead in this thread thats already fact. But, he's never killed anyone right? He was just an innocent, albeit ignorant, human.

again, stop putting words in people's mouths.

no one advocated for his death. It's just that no one cares that he has died. Again, this is exactly what he wanted: Empathy is for the weak. Do you not honor his wishes?
Why do all of you dildos dishonor him by attacking the literate for pointing out exactly who he was and taking the very real lessons that he tried to teach everyone to heart?

Care about his children and not him. He is simply dealing with the consequences of his life decisions. If, like me you don't like those consequences, consider not trapsing about the country and encouraging malformed children to go out and kill marginalized communities. I consider that a fairly easy thing to not do; just as it's easy to not support someone that chooses to do this...thus putting their family in obvious danger.

 

[Pens1566]

I really think that before people break out the hagiography for him that they should throughly review what he stood for. Turning disapproval of the crime in to legitimacy for his actions, opinions, and words is a huge mistake.

Yeah, the posthumous canonization going on (moment of silence from the Yankees game, wtf???) is entirely comedic.

 

[Pens1566]

The guy very clearly had no problems with political violence. It’s darkly amusing how conservatives are clutching their pearls that some liberals are reacting to Charlie Kirk’s death the way Charlie Kirk reacted to others.

As you alluded to this is because we are fundamentally asked to treat conservatives like children with no agency.

And, as has been pointed out in numerous ways, if you take some of the statements he's made in the past as genuine, then the reaction would be acceptable to him and we're all just following along with what his wishes would be.

 

[zinfamous]

Coming from the biggest name calling racist on this forum. Nazi much? When somebody states "FAFO" they are pretty much condoning the act.

conservatives don't like consequences. this is why they try to rewrite history, which is filled with generations of people experiencing the consequences of their ghoulish actions. Pretend it never happened, you get to keep doing it and act surprised and offended when the very predictable consequences show up at your door.

Seriously: try reading for once in your life. Try understanding how humanity works. You might be a happier person if you don't have to spend your life constantly offended by people that just want to be nice to everyone and not bother anyone else. It's strange how those two things are impossible for you people, but you should consider trying it.

 

[K1052]

conservatives don't like consequences. this is why they try to rewrite history, which is filled with generations of people experiencing the consequences of their ghoulish actions. Pretend it never happened, you get to keep doing it and act surprised and offended when the very predictable consequences show up at your door.

Seriously: try reading for once in your life. Try understanding how humanity works. You might be a happier person if you don't have to spend your life constantly offended by people that just want to be nice to everyone and not bother anyone else. It's strange how those two things are impossible for you people, but you should consider trying it.

It is in no small part amusing how conservatives have gotten everything they want and more and are still incandescently angry all the time. There is no such thing as happiness for these people, only the hunger to revel in fresh cruelties and depravity.

 

[Brainonska511]

It is in no small part amusing how conservatives have gotten everything they want and more and are still incandescently angry all the time. There is no such thing as happiness for these people, only the hunger to revel in fresh cruelties and depravity.

That's why every accusation is a confession. They can't imagine a world where people would have different internal motivations to do X compared to themselves. They saw their pundits like Charlie Kirk advocating for hate and political violence and think that their political opponents revel in the thought of instead getting a bullet into Mr Kirk first, which is about as far away from reality as you can possibly get.

 

[gothuevos]

We know the next steps of this story, and we know how it ends.

It's already ended bro.

This is your opposition party lol

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/5496438-democrats-struggle-message-unity/

 

[pauldun170]

Anyone have an actual video of Kirk debating someone?

All I see are trolling and misdirection.

 

[zinfamous]

For all we know it could have also been this character:

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Or anyone of the other thousands who would consistently throw death threats at him and his family.


That you had to cherrypick from an entire social network when anyone could also just make an equivalent montage out of this very own thread speaks volumes.






The southern Democrats are angry that they lost a war 150 years ago and can't own slaves anymore, so they shot a Republican yesterday?

lol, you guys keep going with your "Southern Democrat" nonsense. Did the folder just get distributed?

Strom Thurmond, Jesse Helms, et al were all part of those southern Democrats. You think those vile segregationists were the Democratic party that you are trying to demonize?

See, this is why dildos like you and your people need to start actually reading. You have absolutely no concept of American history, or any history, so you see observable stupid stuff like this and have no idea what happened in the 100 years since then when the racist democrats fled the party due to civil rights, created their own party, then hijacked the republicans. There is absolutely ZERO chance you would be a republican today if the abjectly racist southern democrats didn't flee and hijack the Republican party c. 1967 and on. They changed their language a wee bit, but the white power and extremely racists policies still hold strong. These are absolute facts of history. You simply ignoring it or denying it removes you from any ability to have an honest discussion with anyone.

You've brought a pen to a hammer fight in here when you flail about trying to toss empty talking points in response to events you have no ability to understand. You've allowed your mind to be so malleable to toxic anti-human rhetoric and behavior that you think hate mongers like Kirk deserve anyone's respect for dedicating their lives to championing political violence. There is no respect deserved in such people, flat out. Again, no debate can be had with anyone that wants to support this kind of messaging.

I encourage you to actually do some work and learn about US history, particularly modern history and how the racists of the south reacted violently and then politically to the offense of Civil Rights. This important part of history seems to have been witheld from you, just like every Russian today literally has no idea that they started WW2, and that they had allies during that war. This has long been by design, and your beloved GOP took the lessons of Stalin and made very sure that their voters today are blithely ignorant of the last 50 years of their own history.

It's absoolutely COMICAL that you come in here saying such easily-refuted nonsense about the history of our political parties. You should do better, because you are a clown.

 

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[zinfamous]

https://bsky.app/profile/hydrationchimp.bsky.social%2Fpost%2F3lyjqioreu224

lol the most milquetoast of critique

petty child-brained conservatives can't handle reality. This is what happens when they've all been so preposterously gas-lighted for generations about their own history. Their "politics" are simply vile hate and racism. You know this because these fucks can't pass a single bill when in power, because it's all just infighting about who gets to harm who the most. When the reality of their messaging is returned to them in plain, easy to digest language, they are instantly offended because they don't even understand what hate and violence are anymore, because they have no perspective: it is the default for them. It is their message, such that anything that contradicts them is, by default, a violent attack against them.

Peace is violence to them. Orwell would be sick, but in 1947 he wrote the playbook for the GOP. At least, it seems that the instigators of the GOP takeover by the segregationist racist Democrats of the sixties used his messaging to do this to their people. Today are the restuls, whole cloth. And look at them in this thread: they clearly have no idea what they are saying, how they sound. They literally translate "hate and violence" to "truth and beauty." This is fucking insane. How do you deal with this sort of monster?

 

[zinfamous]

As a mostly centrist agnostic, I disagreed with most of his social, political and theological positions. He also did have some positions I found abhorrent (e.g. public executions, Ukraine).


Still thought the guy had balls to go expose himself on overwhelmingly liberal college campuses to just talk to people. And I really think his method of simply debating everyone who came up to him was formidable and should be replicated by all sides because discourse is the best way for us to empathize with each other, and at least understand the other side.


Unfortunately, too many people who were always going to be too incompetent, ignorant or dumb to ever win him at the fair game of public debate thought it was a good idea to choose violence (as we're seeing in this ghastly thread). And one of those people went through with it, with all the other cowards cheering on this.

Problem is them thinking this level of political violence is only one way, and they're probably about to find out it isn't.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1965990042679079401

Kirk never held debates. It's illuminating that you and his other fans don't know what debates are, or that yelling at your opponent when you can't refute their simple responses does not mean winning.

 

[Amused]

As usual, the Democrats, moderates and left are held to a different standard than the right.

The right cheered these killings. They made up conspiracies about how the obviously right-wing killer was really somehow a left winger.

Still calls for the execution of their enemies...

In short, fuck off.

Kirk's killing was wrong and his killer should face justice. But I have zero empathy for the man who called for the public execution of gays and minorities and cheered the attempted murder of Paul Pelosi.

 

[ToTTenTranz]

Because they don't want to go that low. That's the difference between normal people and radicalized brainwashed people.

Using what you describe as "underhanded tactics" is worse than murdering people in front of their kids?

You are making an assumption that fits your own beliefs. We don't know the shooter or their motivations.

I'm not assuming anything. I'm saying it's more likely that he got killed by the group of people who repeatedly said they wanted him dead through social media posts (like some of the ones we're seeing in this thread) and/or would regularly send him death threats, than this being the work of a vengeful husband whose wife cheated on him with Charlie Kirk.

The fact is that more often than not assassins have motives and beliefs that are almost totally incoherent anyway if they are not legitimately mentally ill.

This is false.

blah blah blah

Dude... who the hell spends their day on a tech forum like Anandtech to exclusively make >100k posts spewing hate on a political sub?
I "bring a pen to a hammer fight"? No, dude. I'm trying to reason with people who aren't retarded, have a life and are capable of living in a society.
Which is why I just blocked you.

 

[zinfamous]

Seriously deranged thinking.

but you proudly support pedophiles and fascists because someone online "made you sad" that one time.

What kind of thinking is that?

 

[fskimospy]

Using what you describe as "underhanded tactics" is worse than murdering people in front of their kids?




I'm not assuming anything. I'm saying it's more likely that he got killed by the group of people who repeatedly said they wanted him dead through social media posts (like some of the ones we're seeing in this thread) and/or would regularly send him death threats, than this being the work of a vengeful husband whose wife cheated on him with Charlie Kirk.




This is false.




Dude... who the hell spends their day on a tech forum like Anandtech to exclusively make >100k posts spewing hate on a political sub?
I "bring a pen to a hammer fight"? No, dude. I'm trying to reason with people who aren't retarded, have a life and are capable of living in a society.
Which is why I just blocked you.

It is odd that you seem angrier at other people acting like Charlie Kirk than you were at Charlie Kirk for acting like Charlie Kirk.

 

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[zinfamous]

Anyone have an actual video of Kirk debating someone?

All I see are trolling and misdirection.

no, no they don't. debate is a reinvinted word for them so that they can claim they "won a thing." Just like "liberals," "woke," and "DEI"

Conservatives never have an argument. They just take established terms and reinvent them so that they can then claim victory. It's weak and sad, but then they are largely illiterate.

 

[K1052]

I'm not assuming anything. I'm saying it's more likely that he got killed by the group of people who repeatedly said they wanted him dead through social media posts (like some of the ones we're seeing in this thread) and/or would regularly send him death threats, than this being the work of a vengeful husband whose wife cheated on him with Charlie Kirk.

You are doing exactly what I said you are doing.

This is false.

Tell me you've never read much about the assassinations of public figures without telling me. More often than not they are insane, incoherent, or acting out some personal grudge (real or imagined) than they are politically motivated.

 

[zinfamous]

Using what you describe as "underhanded tactics" is worse than murdering people in front of their kids?




I'm not assuming anything. I'm saying it's more likely that he got killed by the group of people who repeatedly said they wanted him dead through social media posts (like some of the ones we're seeing in this thread) and/or would regularly send him death threats, than this being the work of a vengeful husband whose wife cheated on him with Charlie Kirk.




This is false.




Dude... who the hell spends their day on a tech forum like Anandtech to exclusively make >100k posts spewing hate on a political sub?
I "bring a pen to a hammer fight"? No, dude. I'm trying to reason with people who aren't retarded, have a life and are capable of living in a society.
Which is why I just blocked you.

Oh no! I've been blocked by an idiot!

lol, it's exactly as I posted: Tell a conservative exactly what happened in history in contradiction of their gaslit Stalinesque education, and they close their eyes and ears and ignore you.

Yes, a true agnostic centrist here, folks! Totally wants to engage on the same level as everyone, as long as we are forced to accept his invented history and fantasy reality.

fucking conservatives. There is is no mystery to you people, no matter what you want to tell people about yourselves. As Paratus said: you wear your behavior on your sleeves. You are so fucking easy to spot no matter what you want people to think about you.