Charles G. Koch buys FSU Econ dept.

[OCGuy]

FSU Econ department is now a right-wing shill, with corresponding credibility for any of their future "academic" papers. This is not how endowments work in credible universities.

And most professors are left-wing shills.


Boo hoo.

 

[senseamp]

And most professors are left-wing shills.


Boo hoo.

They aren't on payroll to shill. The FSU profs are.
Boo hoo is what reputable universities are going to say when they see someone from FSU Econ is applying.
Right before they throw the CV in the trash.

 

[modestninja]

Bummer for students in FSU econ department. This is a big asterisks next to their academic credibility that is going to follow them around.

They went to FSU so I doubt an asterisk will make much of a difference... I do agree that this is a terrible precedent though and for a measly 1.5 million.

 

[Craig234]

Pretty shocking IMO.

FSU is a state institution, I wonder if the FL legislature will get involved.

I suspect what we're seeing is economic reality. FSU has severe budget problems. The state of FL has not recovered from the recession and has cut funding to the universities. The university is facing spending cuts (e.g., laying off profs etc) or must raise a big chunk of $'s.

Fern

The same FL state legislature that is rabidly Republican, and was acting to hand the 2000 election to GWB no matter what a recall would have found? Get real.

As for the rest of your comment, yes I think you're on the right idea. It's sad - cut the budgets and then it can be corrupted, where the public loses.

It undermines their credibility and use, making them a propaganda tool.

Or course it says something that they have to BUY to get their views there.

If their right-wing ideology trying to claim its a credible ideology were a single man, it'd be like buying a prostitute to prove he's attractive to women.

 

[Genx87]

The same FL state legislature that is rabidly Republican, and was acting to hand the 2000 election to GWB no matter what a recall would have found? Get real.

As for the rest of your comment, yes I think you're on the right idea. It's sad - cut the budgets and then it can be corrupted, where the public loses.

It undermines their credibility and use, making them a propaganda tool.

Or course it says something that they have to BUY to get their views there.

If their right-wing ideology trying to claim its a credible ideology were a single man, it'd be like buying a prostitute to prove he's attractive to women.

It was over a decade ago, get over it.

 

[Craig234]

It was over a decade ago, get over it.

No, idiot. The truth can get retold forever - and moreso while liars lie about it.

 

[Genx87]

No, idiot. The truth can get retold forever - and moreso while liars lie about it.

What truth? Craigs fantasy land? Write a book and file it under fictional comedy.

Only bitter people who cant face reality hold a grudge for as long as you do.

 

[RedChief]

They aren't on payroll to shill.

Nah...there on the payroll because they would be able to find a job in the real world.

 

[Balt]

Terrible decision by FSU. Academic curriculum should not be dictated by the highest bidder.

 

[Craig234]

What truth?

A question you have a lot, that reflects why you won't find any in so many of your posts.

 

[GTaudiophile]

Can't be any worse than the Wall St. funded professors at Harvard, Columbia, Chicago, etc. that helped breed the greed that brought down the house of cards in 2008.

Such universities funded by Big Finance should have to pay a $500,000/graduate tax before they let them loose.

 

[MagnusTheBrewer]

If Michael Moore were doing this, your rage would melt my screen. But it's someone from your team, so it's OK.

Politics is disgusting.

Wait, you're claiming Michael Moore?

 

[Craig234]

Can't be any worse than the Wall St. funded professors at Harvard, Columbia, Chicago, etc. that helped breed the greed that brought down the house of cards in 2008.

Such universities funded by Big Finance should have to pay a $500,000/graduate tax before they let them loose.

Yes, perhaps the worst of all is the nation-destroying 'Chicago school'.

 

[CycloWizard]

Yes, perhaps the worst of all is the nation-destroying 'Chicago school'.

Yes, everyone who disagrees with your expert knowledge of economics must be paid off by Wall Street. The only other option is that your opinions, which admittedly conflict with those of the majority of faculty of all top economics programs in the nation, are better. Or did I miss a third possibility? Nah, surely you can't just be wrong.

 

[senseamp]

How about we help FSU live up to their free enterprise and small government ideals by cutting their government funding?

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

Surprise, surprise, ATPN conservatives are wholly unaquainted with academic integrity. For such self-professed "free market" advocates, they are sure quick to defend prejudicial intervention in the free market of ideas.

What a bunch of Kochsucking hypocrites. :thumbsdown:

 

[Fear No Evil]

How about we help FSU live up to their free enterprise and small government ideals by cutting their government funding?

Sure. Along with funding for any university professor and their research who takes a left wing political position. Sounds fair to me.

 

[trenchfoot]

Let the free market decide. If people choose to sign up for the courses, then let them. If people are opposed to this and do not sign up for the courses, then let them as well.

The problem being that Koch having control over who teaches FSU's econ courses is just about the last thing on a student's mind when picking which school/courses to choose from. Yet, these very students represent the future of our Nation, a future Koch wants to bend to his will.

Following Goebbles' playbook to the letter by propagandizing the eager yet gullible minds of the young via prof's that are bought and paid for to preach the party line is par for the course for life forms like Koch.

Disgusting, really.

 

[MotF Bane]

Were this a privately run school, it would be disgusting. As a publicly run school, it is unconscionable. The entire administration that agreed to this should be fired.

 

[MotF Bane]

Sure. Along with funding for any university professor and their research who takes a left wing political position. Sounds fair to me.

Absolutely ridiculous. There is no valid comparison between the two scenarios.

 

[YoungGun21]

I honestly can't come up with words to respond to this...

This is seriously what our country has come to...

 

[cubby1223]

The problem being that Koch having control over who teaches FSU's econ courses is just about the last thing on a student's mind when picking which school/courses to choose from. Yet, these very students represent the future of our Nation, a future Koch wants to bend to his will.

Following Goebbles' playbook to the letter by propagandizing the eager yet gullible minds of the young via prof's that are bought and paid for to preach the party line is par for the course for life forms like Koch.

Disgusting, really.

Dramatic much?

And once the Nazi comparison comes in, all hope is lost in this discussion...

 

[cubby1223]

See, here's the deal:

There is more to this story than any reporter will ever investigate and report on. What is the full truth? Haven't a clue.

Second, there is no proof that this will be a "right-wing shill" course. The logic is not there. In 5 years time, if such occurs, then you can be outraged.

Until then, it is pretty damn hilarious seeing all you lefties getting your panties in a bunch

Is this story strange? Sure it is. But be outraged while holding on to some resemblance of reality.




In a jury trial, the prosecutor selects and approves every one of the jurors, yet juries are not shills for the prosecution.

 

[YoungGun21]

See, here's the deal:

There is more to this story than any reporter will ever investigate and report on. What is the full truth? Haven't a clue.

Second, there is no proof that this will be a "right-wing shill" course. The logic is not there. In 5 years time, if such occurs, then you can be outraged.

Until then, it is pretty damn hilarious seeing all you lefties getting your panties in a bunch

Is this story strange? Sure it is. But be outraged while holding on to some resemblance of reality.

In 5 years time when it is proven that this was a terrible idea, it will already be too late. That's 5 years of students being subjected to his ideals alone. That's 5 years he has decided who gets hired and what sort of research is produced. You can't exactly just up and fire a professor once they have been at your school for a few years, so then they are stuck with those professors.

You call all of the other professors "left-wing" but here is the thing, they are producing original research. Stuff they personally wanted to look into. Not shit they got forced to look into because the guy that bought out their department says so.

 

[trenchfoot]

Dramatic much?

And once the Nazi comparison comes in, all hope is lost in this discussion...

Yeah, I tend to dramatize some, but the comparison is valid and factual, so in this instance, dramatizing the truth to make a point is, IMHO, righteous.