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NWRMidnight

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Yeah sorry, but you're simply one of the many incompetent morons on this forum. Carry on.

No, at no point can a restaurant "legally pay you $2.13 an hour". That doesn't exist. It will never exist. You're the only one "manipulating the truth" you halfwit fool. If you find that to be an accurate or truthful statement - then you're simply a complete idiot of epic proportions. I wish I could skirt around that - but it's the honest truth of your incompetence.

How about you go educate yourself on the laws, tip credit, what it all means. Then we can talk about who is a moron and who isn't a moron. (guess what, I'm not the moron).




No one does "an exceptional job above what you expected" You perform an action based on what was requested.

If you ask for pipes to be replaced from a plumber, how do you perform that exceptionally?
If you ask someone to change your oil and replace your brake pads, how do you perform that exceptionally?

Similarly, how do you perform an exceptional job of taking a food order and delivering it? The biggest difference between a good waiter and a bad waiter is someone that refills your drinks and asks "Do you need anything else?" more often.


It seems you're simply confusing standard, normal, and expected work process and calling it "exceptional" because you've been manipulated and stupefied by the restaurant industry. If thats your definition of "exceptional work" then... again.... you're an idiot. But you have already proven that substantially.

Guess what, plumbers, auto repair, etc can and have been tipped for going above and beyond expectations. My dad owns his own plumbing business, has for 4 decades, my brother is a plumber, and I actually worked in the field when I was younger. Just like any contractor job, there is a wrong way to do it, right way to do it, okay way to do it, and above and beyond way to do the job and take care of the customer. Same thing in auto repair, same thing in EVERY single line of work. I'm sorry that you don't understand anything about customer service, lack the pride, or what it takes to experience someone giving you extra for going above and beyond. I almost pity you..... NO, actually I don't.

As for waiting tables, it's clear you have never worked a day in your life in the food service industry, specially as a server. If you had worked in food service and as a server, you would know that you are spewing falsehoods. And if you have worked as a server, you didn't understand or care about what you where doing to go above and beyond. You can't even comprehend what their minimum job requirements are, and what goes beyond those requirements. (You don't seem to even know what a server's job duties are) There is more to being a good server than just refilling drinks and asking "do you need anything else". it's obvious you can't even recognize what those servers do that go beyond those basics because you have no understanding of a server's job. But you have already demonstrated countless times that you don't know much at all, and because of your superiority complex you think other's who actually have the experience to back up their claims, are idiots... Which all it does is make you look like a dumbass. But we are use to that from you.

I am willing to bet that you don't comprehend the fact that EVERY job is directly tied to customer service, even your job. As customer service goes beyond just the face to face contact with a customer. From start to finish in EVERY single job in the nation is part of customer service cycle. The problem is you don't' have the brains to comprehend what is the bare minimum of a job, and what goes beyond that minimum. Doubt you even know how to go above and beyond in your own career.

What is baffling and I can't figure out is how you can have your head shoved so far up your ass, spewing all your stupidity, yet in some miraculous way, still have your nose so far up in the air, acting like people around you are not worthy, and certain job fields are beneath you. When in fact, you are not worthy of those jobs. I imagine that your ass floats in the air with your arms and legs dragging on the ground.... but who knows... Either way, your being deprived oxygen and it shows.


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People with your attitude is the very reason the service industry, specially the food industry is having problems getting and keeping employees. Because they are tired of the pure lack of respect for what they do from not only their employers, but from the very people they serve like you, that disrespect them, either by choice or by not understanding their job. Maybe if you start respecting these people, actually take some time to learn and understand their job, you will see what going above and beyond actually is, and you will actually understand. Maybe even apply what you learn in your own life so you can advance in your own pitiful career. But of course, you will have to remove your head from your ass, and bring you nose down to the ground to do that, which probably will require you to learn how to walk again.
 
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NWRMidnight

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KPI, it seems, does not exist amongst those that that troll considers to be his inferiors.

But seriously, I found his post to be somewhat enlightening. He inadverdently told us that 1) he's not an above-average performer in his own job, and 2) he's not management either.
Because seriously, there are obviously varying levels of performance at any job. Even amongst the poor guys who shovel shit for a living, there are those who shovel shit exceptionally. And quite frankly, I admire those guys more than I do anyone who does mediocre half-assed work in any job.

Truth!
 
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GoodRevrnd

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How about you go educate yourself on the laws, tip credit, what it all means. Then we can talk about who is a moron and who isn't a moron. (guess what, I'm not the moron).






Guess what, plumbers, auto repair, etc can and have been tipped for going above and beyond expectations. My dad owns his own plumbing business, has for 4 decades, my brother is a plumber, and I actually worked in the field when I was younger. Just like any contractor job, there is a wrong way to do it, right way to do it, okay way to do it, and above and beyond way to do the job and take care of the customer. Same thing in auto repair, same thing in EVERY single line of work. I'm sorry that you don't understand anything about customer service, lack the pride, or what it takes to experience someone giving you extra for going above and beyond. I almost pity you..... NO, actually I don't.

As for waiting tables, it's clear you have never worked a day in your life in the food service industry, specially as a server. If you had worked in food service and as a server, you would know that you are spewing falsehoods. And if you have worked as a server, you didn't understand or care about what you where doing to go above and beyond. You can't even comprehend what their minimum job requirements are, and what goes beyond those requirements. (You don't seem to even know what a server's job duties are) There is more to being a good server than just refilling drinks and asking "do you need anything else". it's obvious you can't even recognize what those servers do that go beyond those basics because you have no understanding of a server's job. But you have already demonstrated countless times that you don't know much at all, and because of your superiority complex you think other's who actually have the experience to back up their claims, are idiots... Which all it does is make you look like a dumbass. But we are use to that from you.

I am willing to bet that you don't comprehend the fact that EVERY job is directly tied to customer service, even your job. As customer service goes beyond just the face to face contact with a customer. From start to finish in EVERY single job in the nation is part of customer service cycle. The problem is you don't' have the brains to comprehend what is the bare minimum of a job, and what goes beyond that minimum. Doubt you even know how to go above and beyond in your own career.

What is baffling and I can't figure out is how you can have your head shoved so far up your ass, spewing all your stupidity, yet in some miraculous way, still have your nose so far up in the air, acting like people around you are not worthy, and certain job fields are beneath you. When in fact, you are not worthy of those jobs. I imagine that your ass floats in the air with your arms and legs dragging on the ground.... but who knows... Either way, your being deprived oxygen and it shows.


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People with your attitude is the very reason the service industry, specially the food industry is having problems getting and keeping employees. Because they are tired of the pure lack of respect for what they do from not only their employers, but from the very people they serve like you, that disrespect them, either by choice or by not understanding their job. Maybe if you start respecting these people, actually take some time to learn and understand their job, you will see what going above and beyond actually is, and you will actually understand. Maybe even apply what you learn in your own life so you can advance in your own pitiful career. But of course, you will have to remove your head from your ass, and bring you nose down to the ground to do that, which probably will require you to learn how to walk again.
Boom, mic drop!
 

Zorba

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Actually, I try to tip when it's not expected quite often. It is also refused quite often because their employers don't allow it, and if they accept it, they would lose their job. Why? Because these employers don't want to have to keep track of it, pay the taxes on it, etc. It's rather frustrating actually how often they are forced to refuse the tip.

That link you supplied is using 20 year old data (data is from 2001). And saying that it's bias towards white woman is really not accurate because it's saying that white women, that make up the majority of that profession (servers) makes the majority of the tips.. You will never be able to get a sufficient sample size without completely skewing the results because of that fact alone to get an accurate finding. You have to remember that Blacks only make up 12% of the nations population, with much, much less working as servers 20 years ago or even now. even today, the nation as a whole, 80% of servers are white women. The other 20% is made up of all other people of color and gender. ( I don't have the time, but I can tell you a story of just how that is influenced just in the hiring process because of the "mindset" of some owners and their fear of customer's reactions) Also, men, no matter their skin color have always made less tip wise in a restaurant over all because primarily, the check is paid by the men. If it was primarily paid by women, that result would be different, as women get short changed in comparison to men when it's the women who pay. It's also geographically bias, as the South vs the North you will get completely different results.
I believe that link side included studies that were actually tested, not just statistically averaging.

The rest agrees with me, pretty white girls make more than ugly black girls and much more than black men, because they are tipped on factors that have nothing to do with job performance.
 

NWRMidnight

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I believe that link side included studies that were actually tested, not just statistically averaging.

The rest agrees with me, pretty white girls make more than ugly black girls and much more than black men, because they are tipped on factors that have nothing to do with job performance.
How where these studies tested that prevented any result from being skewed or inaccurate? There is no possible way to test it accurately in a controllable environment, much less identical makeup of servers, which includes skill/personality traits of the servers, identical numbers of race, gender, age, customers, poverty/income levels, flow of customers, area events, etc.. in the end it's all averaging of the same data, just accumulated differently. Accuracy is impossible.
 
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Zorba

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How where these studies tested that prevented any result from being skewed or inaccurate? There is no possible way to test it accurately in a controllable environment, much less identical makeup of servers, which includes skill/personality traits of the servers, identical numbers of race, gender, age, customers, poverty/income levels, flow of customers, area events, etc.. in the end it's all averaging of the same data, just accumulated differently. Accuracy is impossible.
Apparently you have not read many research papers in your life, these things aren't hard to control for, multiple different ways.

Regardless you already said women get tipped better, so you appear to agree with what I'm saying, you just don't want to admit it.
 

NWRMidnight

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Apparently you have not read many research papers in your life, these things aren't hard to control for, multiple different ways.

Regardless you already said women get tipped better, so you appear to agree with what I'm saying, you just don't want to admit it.
Bullshit. The variables I mentioned are not controllable.. Unless you only do research on ONE location, and even then, you can't control every aspect,. and that is would be by no means a legitimate determination as the sample size is to small. Hell, Restaurant manager/owners can't even schedule accurately 100%, not even75% of the time because of how volatile the restaurant industry is due to all the various factors. Hell, they have issues of running out of product because they can't always predict the flow of customers, there choices etc. There are tools that help them, but it in itself is not perfect.. Yet, you think because some person who most likely has little knowledge of the industry can do research and be accurate.. Yeah Right! Research papers are disproven and/or the research results are changed constantly as they gather more information. Maybe that's why you used 20 year old data because people have realized that it's pointless to do such research because it can never be accurate, as the results will be different from location to location, date, time, servers on shift (servers build their own followers) state to state, etc, no matter what.

I see you are moving the goal posts and trying to say I agree with you.. YOU said white women, not just women. I explained Why that is so for white women, and explained why women in general make better tips, which is no where near the the bullshit reason you tried to peddle, so NO, we don't agree, not on principle or reason because the results are different every where you go, and I explained how and why those variables can affect the outcome.. but you just want to ignore the reason you implied white women being tipped better.
 
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Zorba

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Bullshit. The variables I mentioned are not controllable.. Unless you only do research on ONE location, and even then, you can't control every aspect,. and that is would be by no means a legitimate determination as the sample size is to small. Hell, Restaurant manager/owners can't even schedule accurately 100%, not even75% of the time because of how volatile the restaurant industry is due to all the various factors. Hell, they have issues of running out of product because they can't always predict the flow of customers, there choices etc. There are tools that help them, but it in itself is not perfect.. Yet, you think because some person who most likely has little knowledge of the industry can do research and be accurate.. Yeah Right! Research papers are disproven and/or the research results are changed constantly as they gather more information. Maybe that's why you used 20 year old data because people have realized that it's pointless to do such research because it can never be accurate, as the results will be different from location to location, date, time, servers on shift (servers build their own followers) state to state, etc, no matter what.

I see you are moving the goal posts and trying to say I agree with you.. YOU said white women, not just women. I explained Why that is so for white women, and explained why women in general make better tips, which is no where near the the bullshit reason you tried to peddle, so NO, we don't agree, not on principle or reason because the results are different every where you go, and I explained how and why those variables can affect the outcome.. but you just want to ignore the reason you implied white women being tipped better.
Cool story bro, ignore research, and claim that women getting bigger tips than men because men do the tipping isn't wage bias.
 

NWRMidnight

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Cool story bro, ignore research, and claim that women getting bigger tips than men because men do the tipping isn't wage bias.
It's not wage bias. It's a form of sexism and discrimination or is bias against their sex/race, but is not based on their wages at all. You on the the hand, do tip based on their hourly wage as you admitted earlier. That is wage bias, as your tip is based on the hourly wage they are being paid, not the job they are doing, or their sex/race. And yes, I ignore research that is impossible to be accurate. it's equivalent as throwing darts at a spinning wheel.
 
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1prophet

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There has never been a labor shortage for any company that pays a competitive wage.


And all that goes bye, bye when your competition is able to use things like outsourcing and provide products and services below your costs.

 

UNCjigga

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Twice in the last week, I received a takeout food delivery with a “help wanted” ad on the container. Restaurants seem to be hurting the most for help. But I suspect that some restaurants might actually be facing more business than pre-pandemic—the pandemic allowed them to scale their takeout/delivery business, and deliveries continue to hum along while in-person dining is also coming back.
 

NWRMidnight

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Twice in the last week, I received a takeout food delivery with a “help wanted” ad on the container. Restaurants seem to be hurting the most for help. But I suspect that some restaurants might actually be facing more business than pre-pandemic—the pandemic allowed them to scale their takeout/delivery business, and deliveries continue to hum along while in-person dining is also coming back.
Restaurants where having problems finding help and keeping help long before the pandemic, specially in the back of the house. The pandemic just amplified the problem.

Here is an article about people who are not going back to the service industry:

 

MrSquished

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Restaurants where having problems finding help and keeping help long before the pandemic, specially in the back of the house. The pandemic just amplified the problem.

Here is an article about people who are not going back to the service industry:


Food service can be nuts. I got my first job at a Greek diner when I was like 15 years old because my parents knew the owners. I bused tables. I waited tables on and off as well at diners later on, then TGI Friday's, then in Manhattan. I waited tables when I went to college as well. I was trying to get into nicer restaurants, after a stint at a greek joint in the west village, ended up at a pretty good seafood joint in SoHo called Aquagrill as a back waiter. Saw famous people there from Tom Brokaw to the Wayans brothers to David Lee Roth, who often spent time at the oyster bar, one of the top two in the city at the time. We had like 20 kinds of oysters there.

So I was in the kitchen a lot as a back waiter. Busboys were a 1/2 point, back waiters 3/4 point and waiters a full point out of a shared tip system. Bartenders of course were at the top of the food chain.

That kitchen was NUTS. Small space, insane heat, insane pressure, insane speed, insane chef, constant berating. Every night was a war. It was physical and sweaty work with little room for error. I fail to see how such hard work does not deserve a good wage and healthcare and benefits like a way to retire eventually. The cooks were very underpaid.

But, this is America.
 

hal2kilo

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Twice in the last week, I received a takeout food delivery with a “help wanted” ad on the container. Restaurants seem to be hurting the most for help. But I suspect that some restaurants might actually be facing more business than pre-pandemic—the pandemic allowed them to scale their takeout/delivery business, and deliveries continue to hum along while in-person dining is also coming back.
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