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K1052

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This portends a major potential problem for a few sectors who assume it's going to be all roses after the UI ends. If people don't want those jobs they'll probably take other ones instead.


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This portends a major potential problem for a few sectors who assume it's going to be all roses after the UI ends. If people don't want those jobs they'll probably take other ones instead.


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Saying and doing are 2 very different things. Just like the majority are too lazy to look for a new job (even while working), too lazy to get training for a new job, etc.... They are simply... full o' shit and will be right back where they were.

Maybe next we can do some polling on "Percent willing to try and lose weight" and see the hilarious results there as well?
 
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Im not sure what you mean.

He is saying quit tipping less just because it's a state law that the employer portion is higher. It means you're a cheap ass, the worker in a particular state didn't do any less work than the worker in the other state, so why tip based on that?

Though if you idiots wanted things to ACTUALLY change what you should do is stop tipping altogether. Shit would change rather quick ;)
 

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He is saying quit tipping less just because it's a state law that the employer portion is higher. It means you're a cheap ass, the worker in a particular state didn't do any less work than the worker in the other state, so why tip based on that?

Though if you idiots wanted things to ACTUALLY change what you should do is stop tipping altogether. Shit would change rather quick ;)

One waiter makes $12/he, the other makes $2

15% is standard.

Nothing cheap about it.

Fwiw, I spent 8 years in food service, so I'm familiar with the nuances of waiting tables, washing dishes, cooking, etc... Did it all 😉
 
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That's why. In MOST cases, we tip the server in cash rather than put it on the card.

Most places tip share and since most places have a POS system. So the easiest way to determine share % is to take credit card tips and multiply it by a set % to assume cash tips as well. From there you request whatever tip share % from the waitstaff and divide it out to the staff. It's better for the employee group working that night if you tip on a CC. It's better for your individual waiter or waitress to pay in cash.


One waiter makes $12/he, the other makes $2

15% is standard.

Nothing cheap about it.

I'm sure some people know this but I'm using your quote to make this statement. You can't pay less than federal minimum wage. If a tipped employee doesn't make enough in tips to meet the federal minimum wage then the employer must compensate the difference. I assume most states are like mine in that they have to meet state minimum if it's higher.
 

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This actually happens a lot and they get away with it. Wage/tip theft is extremely common in the restaurant industry.

The foodservice industry has a lot of dirty secrets and this is a biggie.
They get away with it because many employees are afraid to turn them in. It's the sad reality of it because they can't afford to lose that job. Ever industry has it's share of dirty secrets, but they all have honest and fair people too.
 

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Most places tip share and since most places have a POS system. So the easiest way to determine share % is to take credit card tips and multiply it by a set % to assume cash tips as well. From there you request whatever tip share % from the waitstaff and divide it out to the staff. It's better for the employee group working that night if you tip on a CC. It's better for your individual waiter or waitress to pay in cash.




I'm sure some people know this but I'm using your quote to make this statement. You can't pay less than federal minimum wage. If a tipped employee doesn't make enough in tips to meet the federal minimum wage then the employer must compensate the difference. I assume most states are like mine in that they have to meet state minimum if it's higher.

Just curious, what's the current federal minimum wage?
 
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K1052

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They get away with it because many employees are afraid to turn them in. It's the sad reality of it because they can't afford to lose that job. Ever industry has it's share of dirty secrets, but they all have honest and fair people too.

When you are at least partially (or entirely in some cases) staffed by undocumented workers yep. There have been some lawsuits against lager companies but that barely scratches the surface.
 

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Most places tip share and since most places have a POS system. So the easiest way to determine share % is to take credit card tips and multiply it by a set % to assume cash tips as well. From there you request whatever tip share % from the waitstaff and divide it out to the staff. It's better for the employee group working that night if you tip on a CC. It's better for your individual waiter or waitress to pay in cash.




I'm sure some people know this but I'm using your quote to make this statement. You can't pay less than federal minimum wage. If a tipped employee doesn't make enough in tips to meet the federal minimum wage then the employer must compensate the difference. I assume most states are like mine in that they have to meet state minimum if it's higher.
There's a catch to the "employer must compensate the differnce" as how it's calculated is not even remotely fair to the employee. It's based on total hours worked for the week, not per day, so one day they can be making only $3 an hour with tips because it's slow, and another day they can make$12 for an hour, which combained they make $7.50 an hour, putting them over the minimum wage threshold, but in reality getting completely screwed and working for slave wages.

Then on top of that, if the establishment as a whole claims less than 8% tips, the establishment, including every single server will most likely get audited. That is why you see some restaurants do tip allocation, meaning that if they drop below that 8% mark, they allocate tips to the servers, and those servers have to claim it as income, pay taxes on it, even though they never made it.
 
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When you are at least partially (or entirely in some cases) staffed by undocumented workers yep. There have been some lawsuits against lager companies but that barely scratches the surface.
What? It has absolutely nothing to do with undocumented workers.. Not one bit. There are tens, if not hundreds of thousands of natural born American's who are afraid to turn in their employers for breaking labor laws, or any law for that matter because of fear of losing their jobs. The pandemic may change that, but doubtful.
 
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What? It has absolutely nothing to do with undocumented workers.. Not one bit. There are tens, if not hundreds of thousands of natural born American's who are afraid to turn in their employers for breaking labor laws, or any law for that matter because of fear of losing their jobs. The pandemic may change that, but doubtful.

It's both, but their reasoning is different.
 

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It's both, but their reasoning is different.
There may be some undocumented immigrants who fall under this, but they are the minority for the whole nation.. There a few states, that they are not the minority, but over, they are.
 

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Seems like everybody forgets about BOH.
Dude, I spent 30 years in the restaurant industry, 20 as management, 13 of those 20 as General manager, across 5 states, So please, I haven't forgotten about anyone.
 

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There's a catch to the "employer must compensate the differnce" as how it's calculated is not even remotely fair to the employee. It's based on total hours worked for the week, not per day, so one day they can be making only $3 an hour with tips because it's slow, and another day they can make$12 for an hour, which combained they make $7.50 an hour, putting them over the minimum wage threshold, but in reality getting completely screwed and working for slave wages.

I'm not going to dive into this slave wage discussion but you're correct in that the hourly rate at the end of the pay period is all that matters. My particular point is that a lot of people were using 2.00/hr with the insinuation that was their effective pay rate at the end of a pay period. If the person lives in a high minimum wage area then their effective pay rate is that minimum wage amount.

Then on top of that, if the establishment as a whole claims less than 8% tips, the establishment, including every single server will most likely get audited. That is why you see some restaurants do tip allocation, meaning that if they drop below that 8% mark, they allocate tips to the servers, and those servers have to claim it as income, pay taxes on it, even though they never made it.

I have no experience in regards to an audit based off that criteria. My waitstaff make 18-20/hr if they're not good and 25-30/hr if they are. Which means my waitstaff only claim enough tips to meet minimum wage and lie about their income. Realistically, most tipped establishments that I know of have waitstaff who make well over minimum wage. As my wife works for the unemployment agency in my state I can tell you that tipped employees in general report much less than they actually make so I'm not sure your opinion on people trying to skirt their tax responsibilities. But it became a problem for them when they tried to file for unemployment during Covid.
 

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I'm not going to dive into this slave wage discussion but you're correct in that the hourly rate at the end of the pay period is all that matters. My particular point is that a lot of people were using 2.00/hr with the insinuation that was their effective pay rate at the end of a pay period. If the person lives in a high minimum wage area then their effective pay rate is that minimum wage amount.



I have no experience in regards to an audit based off that criteria. My waitstaff make 18-20/hr if they're not good and 25-30/hr if they are. Which means my waitstaff only claim enough tips to meet minimum wage and lie about their income. Realistically, most tipped establishments that I know of have waitstaff who make well over minimum wage. As my wife works for the unemployment agency in my state I can tell you that tipped employees in general report much less than they actually make so I'm not sure your opinion on people trying to skirt their tax responsibilities. But it became a problem for them when they tried to file for unemployment during Covid.

Federal minimum wage for a tipped employee IS $2.13 per hour...

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Federal minimum wage for a tipped employee IS $2.13 per hour...

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Go all the way down to the bottom of the article you posted and read the section that says "Your employees don’t earn enough tips. Now what?".
 

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Wait what?? You cheap af bro. It has been a few months since we had a tipping thread in OT but your post just might make me create a new one.
You just posted that paying your employees is bullshit, then posted that the customer not paying your employees enough is also bullshit. How about you pay your employees and get rid of the fucking tip line.
 
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Well... it looks like you are right then.

The sad reality is that plenty of people don't know this.

It's specifically because our media reports it inaccurately, and dipshits that work in the restaurant industry continue to peddle their false narrative - fully knowing that it's false - but continuing to peddle their bullshit to act as if they are so oppressed and can legally be paid $2.13/hr.

There's also plenty of income that isn't reported in the restaurant industry via pocketed tips.
 

Zorba

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He is saying quit tipping less just because it's a state law that the employer portion is higher. It means you're a cheap ass, the worker in a particular state didn't do any less work than the worker in the other state, so why tip based on that?

Though if you idiots wanted things to ACTUALLY change what you should do is stop tipping altogether. Shit would change rather quick ;)
And the employee is making the same or more, because they have a higher base wage. And presumably, the food cost has also increased to account for the higher wage.
 
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You just posted that paying your employees is bullshit, then posted that the customer not paying your employees enough is also bullshit. How about you pay your employees and get rid of the fucking tip line.

Stop tipping then. Go back to square 1. The problem isn't the employer, it's you.
 
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And the employee is making the same or more, because they have a higher base wage. And presumably, the food cost has also increased to account for the higher wage.

It isn't up to you to determine what the worker should be paid. Your job is to tip them based on the quality of service. End. Fin.



Bringing up shit like the employer contributions is none of your business. It should play no part in your tip process. You would also be entirely ignoring:
1) Cost of living differences between those states
2) Insinuating that all restaurant workers are equal, and they all deserve a set amount as-determined by you - someone that should be tipping based on the service. Instead you're saying "Well, you already have $7/more from the state, so I'm taking that out of your tip". Nice job douches.