CCW 1 / Robber 0

[OutHouse]

There are more guns per capita in Canada than the USA

umm how? there are more guns in the us than we have people.

canada is not even close to that.

edit; debunked. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_gun_ownership

 

[clamum]

In fairness most of the time a concealed weapon is of no use during a mugging. If you're going to be robbed on the street chances are the crook will get you by surprise and you won't have an opportunity to access your gun.

I don't see how you can say that. Got any statistics to back it up? I highly doubt it. I read about guns being used in self-defense in every month's new American Rifleman magazine I get.

 

[highland145]

I don't see how you can say that. Got any statistics to back it up? I highly doubt it. I read about guns being used in self-defense in every month's new American Rifleman magazine I get.

He may be saying that if the bad guy has the jump on you, what can you do? I keep a snubby in my cash drawer. If he puts a pistol in my face, what are the odds that I can shoot him while pretending to get him the cash? And what are the odds that I'll wet my pants? Rather not find out but will keep the pistol in the cash drawer.

Edit:No statistics, just roll playing in my mind.

 

[ichy]

I don't see how you can say that. Got any statistics to back it up? I highly doubt it. I read about guns being used in self-defense in every month's new American Rifleman magazine I get.

I never said it's impossible to defend yourself with a concealed weapon during a mugging, but use a bit of common sense. Most of the time you won't know what's happening until the thug pulls a gun in your face. What good will your concealed firearm do for you then? Honestly, risking your life (or possible criminal charges and civil liability in states that aren't very self-defense friendly) for the contents of your wallet is a bad move. I'm in favor of legal concealed carry but I'm realistic about its real-life benefits.

 

[Rumpltzer]

Americans and their guns, what a fucking joke.

American tourist who lamented lack of gun during encounter in Calgary park sparks online ridicule

I'm doing a Saiga conversion. I disassmbled it last week, and I media blasted it on Friday. I laid black Duracoat on it yesterday. Very happy with the way it went down.

I bought bare wood AK-47 stock and furniture, and I stained it deep red-brown and topped it with semi-gloss poly.

I'll post pics of the parts later tonight so you can get a look at another "fucking joke" in the hands of an American.


FUCK YEAH!

 

[Nebor]

He may be saying that if the bad guy has the jump on you, what can you do? I keep a snubby in my cash drawer. If he puts a pistol in my face, what are the odds that I can shoot him while pretending to get him the cash? And what are the odds that I'll wet my pants? Rather not find out but will keep the pistol in the cash drawer.

Edit:No statistics, just roll playing in my mind.

I've taken several defensive handgun courses both as a private citizen and as part of a law enforcement organization. It's well proven that if someone is pointing a gun at you, and you attempt to draw your own gun from it's holster and fire, you will land the first hit most of the time. This is caused by the differing mentalities of the two players. The person pointing the gun believes they have the upper hand, and they're not typicaly prepared to pull the trigger. They have to process everything that the other player is doing. The person with a holstered gun knows exactly the actions they're going to take, and can execute them without hesitation or thought.

I've seen it played out with simunitions literally dozens of times, and the person with the holstered weapon scores the first shot almost every time. Counterintuitive, but true. :thumbsup:

 

[highland145]

I've taken several defensive handgun courses both as a private citizen and as part of a law enforcement organization. It's well proven that if someone is pointing a gun at you, and you attempt to draw your own gun from it's holster and fire, you will land the first hit most of the time. This is caused by the differing mentalities of the two players. The person pointing the gun believes they have the upper hand, and they're not typicaly prepared to pull the trigger. They have to process everything that the other player is doing. The person with a holstered gun knows exactly the actions they're going to take, and can execute them without hesitation or thought.

I've seen it played out with simunitions literally dozens of times, and the person with the holstered weapon scores the first shot almost every time. Counterintuitive, but true. :thumbsup:

Thanks. Interesting.

We lost a local officer in this exact situation. Night, perp has his hands in his pockets, officer has drawn and aiming "Hands out of your pockets, hands out of your pockets", perp pulls and fires...kills the officer.

 

[ichy]

It's well proven that if someone is pointing a gun at you, and you attempt to draw your own gun from it's holster and fire, you will land the first hit most of the time.

Maybe, but a much smarter thing to do would be to just hand the thug your wallet. It's distasteful to give in to criminals like that, but even if you'd land the first hit 90% of the time a 10% chance of dying is a bad bet if the alternative is losing 40 bucks and your credit cards.

 

[lothar]

Shotgun robber no match for victim with handgun

Police say an armed robber got more than he bargained for Friday night when he targeted the wrong victim.

Just after 10 p.m. a 36-year-old man was confronted by a robber with a shotgun in the parking lot of the Walgreens located in the 3600 block of College. The man said the robber held the shotgun to his head and demanded money.

The man, a concealed handgun license holder, was able to get his handgun and fired one shot at the would-be robber. The robber dropped his shotgun and took off running fleeing south behind the store. The intended victim was not injured during this confrontation and he did not lose any property.

Patrol Officers set up a perimeter and with the assistance of our K-9 Unit began to search for the robber. An officer saw a man hiding behind a business near the area of Interstate 10 and Corley. The man matched the description of the robber. Police say the man also had a gunshot wound to his hip.

The original victim positively identified this man as the robber.

Beaumont EMS took the injured suspect to Christus Hospital St. Elizabeth for treatment. Officers then took him to the county jail. He has been charged with aggravated robbery as well as two outstanding warrants for burglary of a habitation and a pending warrant for a previous unrelated aggravated robbery.

Officers also found a vehicle near the scene of the robbery that had been reported stolen.

Police say an investigation revealed that the man had used this stolen vehicle during the commission of Saturday night's robbery attempt.

http://www.12newsnow.com/story/19253451/shotgun-robber-not-successful

Robber 1 / CCW 0
http://abcnews.go.com/Business/fire...filled-robbers/story?id=13705438#.UCkqap1lRNZ

 

[highland145]

Maybe, but a much smarter thing to do would be to just hand the thug your wallet. It's distasteful to give in to criminals like that, but even if you'd land the first hit 90% of the time a 10% chance of dying is a bad bet if the alternative is losing 40 bucks and your credit cards.

That's the decision......is he going to shoot you anyway? "$40???WTF?? Bam, Bam...."

Like most of us, I'd rather not find out.

 

[highland145]

Robber 1 / CCW 0
http://abcnews.go.com/Business/fire...filled-robbers/story?id=13705438#.UCkqap1lRNZ

Bad guy tried to fire 3 times and the pharmacist escalated? B.S.

No carry policy, he's out of luck.

 

[ichy]

That's the decision......is he going to shoot you anyway? "$40???WTF?? Bam, Bam...."

The overwhelming majority of the time he isn't.

I'm not an anti-gun hippy and I have no moral problem with shooting criminals, but I try to be realistic about the threat that a typical citizen faces. Even in bad cities random acts of violence against people who aren't already involved in criminal activity are pretty rare. Most muggers also aren't batshit insane lunatics, they just want your money. If you pull a gun on an armed mugger you're much more likely to get hurt or killed than if you just hand over your wallet. You also have to remember that not all states are all that self-defense friendly. Shoot someone dead on the street and you could be looking at ugly civil liability or possible criminal charges.

 

[_Rick_]

Give him the 40$, empty a mag into him once he turns around.

 

[ichy]

Give him the 40$, empty a mag into him once he turns around.

...and receive a 20 to life sentence once you're convicted of second degree murder.

 

[Number1]

I'm doing a Saiga conversion. I disassmbled it last week, and I media blasted it on Friday. I laid black Duracoat on it yesterday. Very happy with the way it went down.

I bought bare wood AK-47 stock and furniture, and I stained it deep red-brown and topped it with semi-gloss poly.

I'll post pics of the parts later tonight so you can get a look at another "fucking joke" in the hands of an American.


FUCK YEAH!

Obvious lack of reading skills on your part. To your credit, you got the swearing part down OK.

 

[_Rick_]

...and receive a 20 to life sentence once you're convicted of second degree murder.

A dead, known criminal with a handgun and your stuff in his cold dead hand vs you shooting in self defense?

At worst leave a round in the mag and turn the body over to put one in from the front.

If you're gonna shoot him anyway, might as well make sure you're doing it safe, and the right way.

 

[Binarycow]

You shoot to kill! Always aim for the head.

sounds like you never shot a gun maybe?

 

[ichy]

A dead, known criminal with a handgun and your stuff in his cold dead hand vs you shooting in self defense?

At worst leave a round in the mag and turn the body over to put one in from the front.

If you're gonna shoot him anyway, might as well make sure you're doing it safe, and the right way.

It's a good thing you're all talk because you could be in serious trouble if you ever followed your own advice.

If you're ever in a real life situation where god forbid you have to shoot someone you'd better be prepared with a good justification. Shooting an intruder in your home is almost always legal but if you're in public you can expect some hard questions from the cops. Shooting someone in the back will be very hard to justify.

 

[BoberFett]

Friking right your law enforcement officers should be disarmed when visiting our country. This idiot thought he was being attacked by people who asked him if he had been to the Calgary stampede and would have pulled his gun on them.

What about your cops? Are they armed? Maybe they shouldn't be if you're so afraid of cops having guns.

 

[BladeVenom]

Most Guns
USA:
#1 in gun ownership
#108 in homicides

Serbia:
#2 in gun ownership
#170 in homicides

Yemen:
#3 in gun ownership
#110 in homicides

Switzerland:
#4 in gun ownership
#195 in homicides

Cyprus:
#5 in gun ownership
#150 in homicides

Most Homicides
Honduras:
#1 in homicides
#88 in gun ownership

El Salvador:
#2 in homicides
#92 in gun ownership

Côte d'Ivoire (Ivory Coast):
#3 in homicides
#124 in gun ownership

Jamaica:
#4 in homicides
#74 in gun ownership

Venezuela:
#5 in homicides
#59 in gun ownership

Belize:
#6 in homicides
#63 in gun ownership

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_gun_ownership

 

[yuchai]

Most Guns
USA:
#1 in gun ownership
#108 in homicides

Serbia:
#2 in gun ownership
#170 in homicides

Yemen:
#3 in gun ownership
#110 in homicides

Switzerland:
#4 in gun ownership
#195 in homicides

Cyprus:
#5 in gun ownership
#150 in homicides

Most Homicides
Honduras:
#1 in homicides
#88 in gun ownership

El Salvador:
#2 in homicides
#92 in gun ownership

Côte d'Ivoire (Ivory Coast):
#3 in homicides
#124 in gun ownership

Jamaica:
#4 in homicides
#74 in gun ownership

Venezuela:
#5 in homicides
#59 in gun ownership

Belize:
#6 in homicides
#63 in gun ownership

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_gun_ownership

That's nice and all, but how about trying to adjust for geographic/cultural variations?

Let's take a look at the Middle East to see how Yemen compares to its neighbors:

It goes country, homicide rate, and gun ownership rate from the links you provided:

Bahrain 0.6 24.8
Iraq 2.0 34.2
Israel 2.1 7.3
Jordan 1.8 11.5
Kuwait 2.2 24.8
Lebanon 2.2 21
Palestine 4.1 3.4
Oman 0.7 25.5
Qatar 0.9 19.2
Saudi Arabia 1.0 35
Syria 2.3 3.9
United Arab Emirates 0.8 22.1
Yemen 4.2 54.8

Yemen happens to have the highest homicide rates and gun ownership - for what it's worth. Palestine basically has the same homicide rate but also the lowest gun ownership rate. What is this telling us? Not much. I guess my point is that you have to be a bit more thoughtful about it when doing comparisons like these and can't just assume that every country is the same and compare the raw statistics. I mean if you're comparing the US against countries like Venezuela and Ivory Coast and act like they work the same way I'm sure you can make any argument you want.

 

[Number1]

What about your cops? Are they armed? Maybe they shouldn't be if you're so afraid of cops having guns.

Wow,is that all you could come up with? A US police officer visiting Canada is ready to pull his gun if he could on people who were asking him if he had been to the stampede and somehow, you concluded that I don't want the RCMP to carry guns. Are you a little slow? Our police officers are professionals, not gun totting yahoos.

PS:I know you have no clue what RCMP means: RCMP = Royal Canadian Mounted Police

 

[BoberFett]

 

[Rumpltzer]

Obvious lack of reading skills on your part. To your credit, you got the swearing part down OK.

Hey, thanks!

Always trying my best to impress and educate our bouncy-headed neighbors to the north... even if you aren't real.

 

[Lithium381]

Living as a 2nd class citizen in California is rough. 10rd limit on your mags, 10 day waiting period to purchase a new firearm even though you already have 8, and then polititians like Yee trying to force the citizens to use unsafe firearms by mandating that the magazine must be non-detachable by way of welding it to the receiver. . . . etc

where is the report to back any of this up? when a bill is proposed i'm interested to know WHAT PROBLEM DOES IT SOLVE? statistics have failed numerous times to show that the AWB nationwide and in california have had a significant impact. blood in the streets? wild wild west? hasn't happened in 37 states so far. . .