CBS Reporter sexually assaulted during Egypt celebration

[bfdd]

It's not as much about religion as it is culture. In women's rights, legal system etc. the middle east and large parts of Africa are where we were 75-150 years ago. Because of dictators colonial forces and repression their society have not had the possibility to evolve like ours.

Hopefully the rebellions will be a step in the right direction.

75 - 150 years ago? Please... that's being overly generous to those regions. At BEST they're 150 years behind us at worst, try colonial times.

 

[iGas]

Unfortunately this tends to happen quite a bit in Muslim countries (maybe in all of the third world, but I've only got experience in some Muslim ones). The people are so sexually repressed that it tends to spill out in some rather hideous ways.

It doesn't happen in Buddhism, Hinduism, Sikhism, and Christian countries?

IMHO, there are going to be a few bad seeds in any crowd, and it must be something that the reporter said to triggered the attack (I like to see the full story before I make such a claim).

 

[dwell]

IMHO, there are going to be a few bad seeds in any crowd, and it must be something that the reporter said to triggered the attack (I like to see the full story before I make such a claim).

Except it was an entire crowd of bad seeds. In case you missed the point, a crowd of 200 people brutally beat and raped this woman.

 

[Infohawk]

and it must be something that the reporter said to triggered the attack (I like to see the full story before I make such a claim).

In other words, "she asked for it." It's shameful for Egypt and embarrassing for apologists like you.

 

[iGas]

By "some", do you mean the 0.001% who get 99% of the coverage?? I have to tell you, I've lived in Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, and Egypt for over 18 years and have never heard about "raping uncovered women" is ok. I mean, this is no different than looking at one of those MANY lunatic Christian extremists and saying "Hmm.. it seems that some Christian clerics think so, so, and so".

Now, the fact you even said "it's even more stratified than Christianity" tells me you -unfortunately (but hey it's an internet forum on a tech website), know absolutely nothing of what you're talking about.

IMHO, Christians are so ashame of themselves, because they have saints like Bernard Madoff that creeps up now and again to give them a bad name. Therefore they go out of their way to put other religions or non religious groups down so that they can have a moment of perceived security.

IMHO, we would have more sensible discussions in P&N, if Anandtech create a Religion Forum.

 

[iGas]

Until I see a truly free election not being run or rigged by Islamic clerics and corrupt officials like Afghanistan or Iran, Egypt does not have a true 'democracy'.

And we don't have corrupt/criminal officials, religious backing politicians, religious Christian slogans, and rigged elections in the US?

IMHO, America is a far cry from a true democracy.

Please don't tell me that the despot president that the Egyptian had was a democratically elected man.

 

[iGas]

Except it was an entire crowd of bad seeds. In case you missed the point, a crowd of 200 people brutally beat and raped this woman.

I is not physically possible for 200 people come at her at the same time, unless they lined up in an organized fashion and take turns.

IMHO, the report was greatly embellished.

PS. Where are the pictures & videos of this so called attack, and please don't tell me the reporting crew forgot their cameras/camcorders/sound recorder at home.

 

[iGas]

In other words, "she asked for it." It's shameful for Egypt and embarrassing for apologists like you.

Don't be an ahole and twist my words.

Mob mentality does weird things to people that normally wouldn't do those things if they were on their own, and it is possible that the verbal exchange that triggered the attack (it wasn't raped as described by the over blown media). I would like a full disclose of the story before I can make the judgment.

 

[Infohawk]

And, it could be that she said something that triggered the attack.

Really? Based on what?

 

[iGas]

Really? Based on what?

Base on nothing, and it is possibly that I'm completely wrong just as your based your biased on missed information and accusations.

It could also be possible that the she was trampled by the moving crowd as well, and being disoriented that she though that she was raped/attack.

 

[the DRIZZLE]

Base on nothing, and it is possibly that I'm completely wrong just as your based your biased on missed information and accusations.

It could also be possible that the she was trampled by the moving crowd as well, and being disoriented that she though that she was raped/attack.

Its also possible that a wizard alien from the future came down on a space ship an altered her memory and the memory off all witnesses to believe that this happened when it didn't. Or we could just the take story at face value.

 

[Infohawk]

Base on nothing, and it is possibly that I'm completely wrong just as your based your biased on missed information and accusations.

It could also be possible that the she was trampled by the moving crowd as well, and being disoriented that she though that she was raped/attack.

Your speculation is based on nothing but wishful thinking. I'm just accepting the news story at face value. I have no reason to doubt it.

Keep deluding yourself.

 

[iGas]

Its also possible that a wizard alien from the future came down on a space ship an altered her memory and the memory off all witnesses to believe that this happened when it didn't. Or we could just the take story at face value.

The odd thing is that CBS didn't run away with the story when it happen.

Doesn't shits like this sells newspaper and advertising?

And, I don't doubted that she didn't get groped in the crowd, because these mentality happens in many countries (I'm not saying it is right). However attacked by a crowed of 200 is highly doubtful

 

[JEDIYoda]

I is not physically possible for 200 people come at her at the same time, unless they lined up in an organized fashion and take turns.

IMHO, the report was greatly embellished.

PS. Where are the pictures & videos of this so called attack, and please don't tell me the reporting crew forgot their cameras/camcorders/sound recorder at home.

damn another muslim apologist.......

 

[TareX]

Women at the wailing wall is a religious issue like female priests in the Catholic Church. It has nothing to do with what legal rights women enjoy or how they are treated day to day in society.

Oh thank goodness. So this anti-women acts of discrimination in Jewish Jerusalem is not cultural, but religious. That's OK. Phew.

Now can you expand on that a bit? Why are women banned -by a supreme court order- from reading the Torah on the western wall?

Why are Jewish orthodox groups running around neighborhoods in Jerusalem with "No women on this side allowed" signs all over their streets?

Why are the Jewish Haredi teargasing women who walk on "men only" sidewalks in Jerusalem?

Why are they hiring "modesty guards" to make sure the sidewalks remain "women-free"?

What is their motive behind that desire?

You know what's the difference between you and I? The difference is that I -as a Muslim- know that neither Moses' message nor the Torah advocate such behaviors. I do not attribute every idiot's behavior to religious scripture.

Of course that's REGARDLESS THE FACT those responsible for the anti-women behavior in Jewish Jerusalem are religious extremists, whereas those who groped Lara are as "Muslim" as Britney Spears is "Christian".

Most of the people here "bashing" muslims are not Jewish, they are just abhored by the behavior in Muslim countries.

Hold on a second, while I go through 10 pages of Islam bashing based on Lara's attack, and the "enlighting" attempts at showing how these people were "just following the orders of Islam".

If you want to attack the behavior in these countries, I'll join you, whole-heartedly.

You want to narrowly define Islam by certain teachings and ignore the reality on the ground in Islamic countries which is simply not a compelling argument.

"Narrowly define Islam by its teachings"?? Paraodox alert. So you'd rather define it by muslims? No thanks. Islam is islam. How accurately people want to follow it, that's something else. Fact is, economy and culture play a MUCH BIGGER ROLE in everyday decisions of muslims than religion, as it does in every single society. Religion becomes clay, you can shape it to justify anything you want -based on all the other "real" reasons.

The reality on the ground, is that the etiquette of the majority of muslims today has extremely, extremely little to do with the etiquette of Islam. You need to be clever enough to know what drives people. On a wider level, I can also tell you that the economic model of countries like Japan is much more "islamic" than the economic model of Saudi Arabia, and don't get me started on Afghanistan.

The reality on the ground has to do with culture and economy at the time. For instance, between the 8th and 13th century, Muslim countries were the beacon of science, knowledge and technology. It was the world's superpower, and it was where scholars of various faiths would come to prosper. It was home to a tolerant Islamic world inhabited by other religious groups, such as Christians, Jews and Mandeans. Was it a "different" Islam than today's "Islam"?

I haven't made anything up in my post about women in Islam. These are the rights Islam gave women. Muslims? That's another thing.

Women were granted the right to obtain unilateral divorces in the Qur'an/Narrations. However, like many women rights, this one dropped pretty fast and it wasn't until the early 2000s when in the Egyptian parliament, the right was re-granted. Worth noting is that the parliament member who called for it was using Muslim narration phrases to try to forward it.

Muslim leaders used to be elected by popular vote of the "tribes" in early Islam. Later on, it became father-son succession.

You need to realize that religion is far from the only -or the most significant- reason behind why people do things.

Just provide one reputable English source. The gas issue has been discussed in many English papers are none of them have ever mentioned a below market price.

The losses incurred on the natural gas exports to Israel is a big issue in Egypt. I guess the only article I found is one that mentions how Egypt may have to buy some gas back from Israel, using international prices, and in doing so, would lose a good $12 billion -since it was sold for dirt cheap to begin with.

http://www.jpost.com/Business/BusinessNews/Article.aspx?id=185832

 

[the DRIZZLE]

Oh thank goodness. So this anti-women acts of discrimination in Jewish Jerusalem is not cultural, but religious. That's OK. Phew.

Now can you expand on that a bit? Why are women banned -by a supreme court order- from reading the Torah on the western wall?

Why are Jewish orthodox groups running around neighborhoods in Jerusalem with "No women on this side allowed" signs all over their streets?

Why are the Jewish Haredi teargasing women who walk on "men only" sidewalks in Jerusalem?

Why are they hiring "modesty guards" to make sure the sidewalks remain "women-free"?

What is their motive behind that desire?

You know what's the difference between you and I? The difference is that I -as a Muslim- know that neither Moses' message nor the Torah advocate such behaviors. I do not attribute every idiot's behavior to religious scripture.

Of course that's REGARDLESS THE FACT those responsible for the anti-women behavior in Jewish Jerusalem are religious extremists, whereas those who groped Lara are as "Muslim" as Britney Spears is "Christian".


Hold on a second, while I go through 10 pages of Islam bashing based on Lara's attack, and the "enlighting" attempts at showing how these people were "just following the orders of Islam".

If you want to attack the behavior in these countries, I'll join you, whole-heartedly.


"Narrowly define Islam by its teachings"?? Paraodox alert. So you'd rather define it by muslims? No thanks. Islam is islam. How accurately people want to follow it, that's something else. Fact is, economy and culture play a MUCH BIGGER ROLE in everyday decisions of muslims than religion, as it does in every single society. Religion becomes clay, you can shape it to justify anything you want -based on all the other "real" reasons.

The reality on the ground, is that the etiquette of the majority of muslims today has extremely, extremely little to do with the etiquette of Islam. You need to be clever enough to know what drives people. On a wider level, I can also tell you that the economic model of countries like Japan is much more "islamic" than the economic model of Saudi Arabia, and don't get me started on Afghanistan.

The reality on the ground has to do with culture and economy at the time. For instance, between the 8th and 13th century, Muslim countries were the beacon of science, knowledge and technology. It was the world's superpower, and it was where scholars of various faiths would come to prosper. It was home to a tolerant Islamic world inhabited by other religious groups, such as Christians, Jews and Mandeans. Was it a "different" Islam than today's "Islam"?

I haven't made anything up in my post about women in Islam. These are the rights Islam gave women. Muslims? That's another thing.

Women were granted the right to obtain unilateral divorces in the Qur'an/Narrations. However, like many women rights, this one dropped pretty fast and it wasn't until the early 2000s when in the Egyptian parliament, the right was re-granted. Worth noting is that the parliament member who called for it was using Muslim narration phrases to try to forward it.

Muslim leaders used to be elected by popular vote of the "tribes" in early Islam. Later on, it became father-son succession.

You need to realize that religion is far from the only -or the most significant- reason behind why people do things.


The losses incurred on the natural gas exports to Israel is a big issue in Egypt. I guess the only article I found is one that mentions how Egypt may have to buy some gas back from Israel, using international prices, and in doing so, would lose a good $12 billion -since it was sold for dirt cheap to begin with.

http://www.jpost.com/Business/BusinessNews/Article.aspx?id=185832

The behavior of people is all that matters. What the Koran says is academic and provides no solace to those oppressed. Your argument is essentially that the Koran doesn't justify Muslims bad behavior so therefore we can't blame Islam. I reject that logic because a religion is more than its scriptures. The culture is inseparably tied with the religion.

The fact is that Muslim countries treat women worse than other countries with comparable economic conditions. If you look at the report I linked you will see that the bottom four countries on the list are Jordan, Pakistan, Turkey, and Egypt. As an outside observer its not particularly relevant to me whether this is justified by the scripture or not.

 

[Infohawk]

damn another muslim apologist.......

A Muslim apologist who thinks a rape victim must have triggered it... LOL What a surprise.

 

[Darwin333]

Don't be an ahole and twist my words.

Mob mentality does weird things to people that normally wouldn't do those things if they were on their own, and it is possible that the verbal exchange that triggered the attack (it wasn't raped as described by the over blown media). I would like a full disclose of the story before I can make the judgment.

I would hope they and the company they work for has enough class not to put a womans gang rape on the internet.

And I will give you mob mentality maybe for a beat down but gang rape? Are you fucking kidding? A verbal exchange made a bunch of people say fuck it lets line up and take turns raping and beating her? Again, are you fucking kidding?

 

[Darwin333]

Base on nothing, and it is possibly that I'm completely wrong just as your based your biased on missed information and accusations.

It could also be possible that the she was trampled by the moving crowd as well, and being disoriented that she though that she was raped/attack.

Do you honestly believe that you could personally be trampled and disoriented and come to thinking and feeling like bubba and his buddies just pounded you in the ass? Really?

 

[dwell]

I is not physically possible for 200 people come at her at the same time, unless they lined up in an organized fashion and take turns.

It could have been a handful of them who performed the assault. The key is the remainder did nothing to stop it. Sub-humans.

 

[classy]

I certainly don't stick up for Muslims, but clearly there is some things to questioned here. I truly am sympathetic towards women who are raped, but the clearly vague "sexual assault" leads to speculation and much harsher scrutiny. No question any type of attack would clearly be terrifying, but here it appears the wording makes it sound the worst it possibly could be and that may not have been the case. I brought this up earlier, I do have some problem with the whole seperated from the group thing. There is some info that honestly you have to question.

 

[ericlp]

Unfortunately this tends to happen quite a bit in Muslim countries (maybe in all of the third world, but I've only got experience in some Muslim ones). The people are so sexually repressed that it tends to spill out in some rather hideous ways.

Hahahaha! What a troll!

Yeah, this not only happens there but "UNFORTUNATELY" it happens here in the USA.... WAY TOOO OFTEN!

Every 2 minutes, someone in the U.S. is sexually assaulted.



Oh yeah these barbaric Muslims!!! They must be HERE doing that! C'mon. Sad? yeah but no worse then here. Matter of fact I'm sure it's much worse in here than there!

 

[davmat787]

I certainly don't stick up for Muslims, but clearly there is some things to questioned here. I truly am sympathetic towards women who are raped, but the clearly vague "sexual assault" leads to speculation and much harsher scrutiny. No question any type of attack would clearly be terrifying, but here it appears the wording makes it sound the worst it possibly could be and that may not have been the case. I brought this up earlier, I do have some problem with the whole seperated from the group thing. There is some info that honestly you have to question.

What do you want, a Penthouse Forum version of the assault? It could be that fellow journalists are trying to protect one of their own by not going into the lurid details.

 

[Infohawk]

Hahahaha! What a troll!

Yeah, this not only happens there but "UNFORTUNATELY" it happens here in the USA.... WAY TOOO OFTEN!

Every 2 minutes, someone in the U.S. is sexually assaulted.



Oh yeah these barbaric Muslims!!! They must be HERE doing that! C'mon. Sad? yeah but no worse then here. Matter of fact I'm sure it's much worse in here than there!

How often do you see assaults happening in public celebrations here?

PS You haven't read much of the thread have you?

 

[classy]

What do you want, a Penthouse Forum version of the assault? It could be that fellow journalists are trying to protect one of their own by not going into the lurid details.

No but the blurp says

She was surrounded and suffered a brutal and sustained sexual assault and beating before being saved by a group of women and an estimated 20 Egyptian soldiers.

But then it says

She reconnected with the CBS team, returned to her hotel and returned to the United States on the first flight the next morning.

That doesn't add up. For one I worked at a hospital, for rape victims or hospital workers who may be exposed to bodily fluids or blood, if treated within a couple of hours it drastically reduces the chance of hiv or other diseases. Second no one beaten brutally gets on a plane the next morning and flys. This woman who suffered a brutal and sustained sexual assault with a beating on top of it, doesn't go to a hospital or recieve treatment, but instead, the next morning no less jumps on a 12-20 hour flight, depending on landing in the US before getting medical attention. Doesn't quite add up.................