CBS Reporter sexually assaulted during Egypt celebration

[Svnla]

I didn't need a disclaimer or explanation because reasonable people read the threads and understand the context.

Wow you're pretty dishonest. You were basically accusing me of insulting you as an immigrant. Now you're backtracking. The distinction between legal or illegal isn't relevant to this discussion. People were discussing which cultures had more or less raping IRC. Being legal or illegal doesn't change your culture.

I did not have to accuse you of anything or backtrack from anything. See my reply to possum and his replies (#221 and #223).The readers can read and decide for themselves. In your very own words: (a big broad brush generalize ignorant statement)

The point was that immigrants committed more rapes per capita than non-immigrants.

and my first post to you were:

Hummmm, you need to separate WHICH group/ethics of immigrants commit rapes/crimes and whether they were LEGAL or ILLEGAL.

Just like we all know stories about Catholic priests and young boys. We can not say "look, the point was that church going folks committed more rapes per capita than non-church going folks". See my point?

See the two bold and underlined sentences? Replace "immigrants" with "church going folks" or any particular group and see how ignorant it is.

Are you going to response with more name callings and ignorant statements? Be true to yourself.

 

[Infohawk]

I did not have to accuse you of anything or backtrack from anything. See my reply to possum and his replies (#221 and #223).The readers can read and decide for themselves. In your very own words: (a big broad brush generalize ignorant statement)

and my first post to you were:
See the two bold and underlined sentences? Replace "immigrants" with "church going folks" or any particular group and see how ignorant it is.

Are you going to response with more name callings and ignorant statements? Be true to yourself.

What else can I say except that you are really not that smart? Maybe English isn't your first language so you just don't understand what is going? Once again: I was paraphrasing another argument. I myself was not saying all immigrants are rapists. That's not even what the study says yet you continue to use that as a strawman. Honestly I think we're done here. Keep going and talking about how we have to distinguish between legals and illegals when that is not even remotely related to this thread.

 

[Svnla]

What else can I say except that you are really not that smart? Maybe English isn't your first language so you just don't understand what is going? Once again: I was paraphrasing another argument. I myself was not saying all immigrants are rapists. That's not even what the study says yet you continue to use that as a strawman. Honestly I think we're done here. Keep going and talking about how we have to distinguish between legals and illegals when that is not even remotely related to this thread.

If you really think your statement was perfectly fine and not a broad brush generalize ignorant statement, then I don't know what else to tell you.

You know what you said, we saw it with our own eyes. Let the readers decide for themselves.

Again, I said

Hummmm, you need to separate WHICH group/ethics of immigrants commit rapes/crimes and whether they were LEGAL or ILLEGAL.

..not just LEGALS or ILLEGALS debate as you said about my statement (see my replies to Possum for more details about what exactly what I meant).

 

[Nebor]

I'm with Svnla, we need to do away with immigrants AND churches. Tumors on our western societies.

 

[the DRIZZLE]

Because you're making up a story despite the lack of reports.



I don't know what it means. I suggest that it's not clear based on the limited report. It could be rape, it might not be.



There are lots of hooligans at celebrations. See sports celebrations.

The adjective "brutal" before sexual assault makes it pretty clear we are talking about rape.

 

[Farang]

Putting a Lara Logan into the streets of Cairo is like putting Jessica Alba into the yard at San Quentin. Maybe not that bad but still, they are constantly going to be stared at lustily and given the opportunity those stares are going to turn into trouble. A chaotic street protest in one such opportunity.

Without question Lara Logan should not have been at those protests wearing what she was. Not because she was a scantily clad woman (she wasn't) but because she is a white, blond woman.

I question her being there at all. But to be there in normal clothes as an attractive, white blond woman is asking for trouble. She did not show an ounce of precaution by covering up and disguising herself.

I don't mean to blame the victim. I'm looking at it more like a NTSB agent looks at a plane crash. I've traveled all over the world with a variety of women and if I were to send a woman to Egypt I would've given a lot better advice than Ms. Logan apparently got. I wish the best for her and her family and certainly respect her for pushing the limits of what people like me say she is capable of.

Also, I would not necessarily connect this with Islam. This would happen in a Hindu mob, or a Buddhist mob. White blond western women get a lot of attention in the third world.

 

[Infohawk]

This would happen in a Hindu mob, or a Buddhist mob. White blond western women get a lot of attention in the third world.

Really? What kind of mob. Because a group Buddhist or Hindus would not do this if their country had just been liberated. Tourism is big in India and Buddhist countries. Sure you have to play it safe but you don't get raped like you do in the Muslim world.

 

[Farang]

Really? What kind of mob. Because a group Buddhist or Hindus would not do this if their country had just been liberated. Tourism is big in India and Buddhist countries. Sure you have to play it safe but you don't get raped like you do in the Muslim world.

I've been to India. All parts, Hindu and Muslim. With blond women. Obviously I can't say "Yes, you would" for certain, but, yes, you would.

 

[Infohawk]

I've been to India. All parts, Hindu and Muslim. With blond women. Obviously I can't say "Yes, you would" for certain, but, yes, you would.

You're not the only one who's traveled. The Muslim world is the only place I've seen where women are sneered at for not being covered. Have you ever seen Italians react to blondes? It's pathetic but at the same time it's not auto-rape and it's not scornful like in Muslim countries.

We could exchange anecdotes all day but again this yet another story about Muslims behaving badly. If there's a stereotype about Muslims being violent and hateful towards everyone except Muslim men, Muslims sure like to reinforce it. But I guess all those Buddhist extremists are just being underreported.

 

[TareX]

The vast majority of Egyptians are Muslims. And yet the vast majority of Egyptians do not, and did not, take to the streets to attack and sexually violate women. Moreover, the Egyptian women and soldiers who saved Logan were themselves Muslims. So it is simply inaccurate to try & indict Muslims & Islam for the attack on Logan. Indeed, if Logan's assailants were "Muslims", then the Nazis were "Christians".

http://spectator.org/blog/2011/02/17/the-attack-on-lara-logan-was-1

And btw, CBS statement: "It was not a rape."

Let me save this beautiful, highly informative thread, and wait a couple of weeks (days?) till another journalist is groped in a third world gathering of non-Muslims. Then, it will be a discussion of "What if they were Muslims, would we have accused Islam of causing this?" similar to the Arizona shooting questions.

 

[Carmen813]

In this case, I think he has a point. You put your hand into a fire, you may get burnt. Attractive white women going into a mob unprotected anywhere in the 2nd or 3rd world is asking for trouble.

I'm not saying she deserved it. I'm saying she's a moron for not seeing and preventing a preventable bad event.

This is what we call victim blaming.

 

[biostud]

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/bab...slam-internet-activism-sex-cairo-crowds-.html

Egypt has earned notoriety for being one of the worst countries in the Middle East when it comes to sexual harassment, and women's rights groups have previously described the harassment on the street as Egypt's "cancer."

What to do? A group of activists has decided to fight the leering and groping with a new private venture that, beginning in the near future, will use open-source mapping technology to identify harassment hot spots in Cairo and allow women to instantly report incidents of sexual abuse through text messaging and on social media sites.

It's called HarassMap and will reportedly run off the open-source software platform Ushahidi, which was first used to report violence in Kenya in 2008.

HarassMap co-founder Engy Ghozlan told Babylon & Beyond that the venture is being launched to tackle sexual harassment and raise more awareness about the problem.

"The idea came from a group of volunteers," she said. "There is not much going on the sexual-harassment issue. We want to bring back the momentum ... so that they don't forget that sexual harassment is still an issue."
In 2008, a report by the Cairo-based Egyptian Center for Women's Rights offered some shocking statistics on sexual harassment in the country. It said that no less than 83% of the women responding to a survey claimed that they had been subject to harassment in the streets, including slurs and groping. The study also found that observing an Islamic dress code or avoiding revealing clothing were not a deterrent for harassers.

http://harassmap.org/

 

[TareX]

Here's what a Coptic Christian friend of mine had to say about this:

"...and i'm not proud to say it but i am a 100% sure that there were also christians involved in this incident .. the egyptian muslim and christians in egypt share all the good and bad qualities.. they developed their own traditions/cuture which most of it doesn't really relate to christianity nor islam .."

So I call out to those who love speaking out of their asses to please stop, it's starting to stink here.

 

[Nebor]

Here's what a Coptic Christian friend of mine had to say about this:

"...and i'm not proud to say it but i am a 100% sure that there were also christians involved in this incident .. the egyptian muslim and christians in egypt share all the good and bad qualities.. they developed their own traditions/cuture which most of it doesn't really relate to christianity nor islam .."

So I call out to those who love speaking out of their asses to please stop, it's starting to stink here.

Everyone knows Coptic Christianity is based on a culture of telling lies, just like Islam is based on a culture of abusing women and repressed sexuality. What will you come up with next?

 

[TareX]

Everyone knows Coptic Christianity is based on a culture of telling lies, just like Islam is based on a culture of abusing women and repressed sexuality. What will you come up with next?

"Islam is based on a culture of abusing women"..... interesting.

Shortly before Islam, at the time of social darkness, baby girls were buried alive. Women were cast away from all sorts of social life. They were beaten, enslaved, denied any rights in their lives and were always regarded as being lower than men. However, Islam came and totally changed all of these retarded perceptions in a record time.

For a starter, Islam was the first ideology that gave the women the right to vote and elect. A right given in the west as late as in 1920 in the USA, 1928 in the UK, and 1945 in Switzerland. Women were given the right to choose who to marry and when to divorce. In Islam, the women invaded all sorts of professional lives. There were muslim doctors, traders, nurses, scholars and tutors. Islam prevented a man from forcing his wife to work to support the family, as the total economic responsibility falls on the shoulders of the man in Islam, as Women are to be served by men as prophet Muhammad said.

Here's what prophet Muhammad has to say about treating women: '"None but a noble man treats women in an honorable manner. And none but an ignoble treats women disgracefully"..... Who is the best one of us? Here's how Prophet Muhammad answered this question: "The best of you is one who is best towards his family and I am best towards the family". .... One of prophet Muhammad’s companions asked him "What do you say (command) about our wives?" He replied: "Give them food what you have for yourself, and clothe them by which you clothe yourself, and do not beat them, and do not revile them." .... Words like "Give them food what you have for yourself" may sound degrading in 2011, but 1500 years ago, it was a statement of equality -a concept not "popular" back then, to say the least.

Not a single Ideology in History has raised women's value more than Islam and I bargain you to prove otherwise. Who is the most wicked one of us? This was prophet Muhammad’s answer: "The most wicked among the people in the eye of Allah on the Day of Judgment is the man who goes to his wife and she comes to him, and then he divulges her secret." To that extent must a husband keep the Privacy of his Wife. These are the morals of Islam.

Islam has shown extraordinarily noble attitude that husbands must abide to towards their wives. One of prophet Muhammad’s companions, Umar ibn al-Khattab said that a man came to his house to complain about his wife. On reaching the door of his house, he hears 'Umar's wife shouting at him and reviling him. Seeing this, he was about to go back, thinking that 'Umar himself was in the same position and, therefore, could hardly suggest any solution for his problem. 'Umar (RA) saw the man turn back, so he called him and enquired about the purpose of his visit. He said that he had come with a complaint against his wife, but turned back on seeing the Caliph in the same position. 'Umar told him that he tolerated the excesses of his wife for she had certain rights against him. He said, "Is it not true that she prepares food for me, washes clothes for me and suckles my children, thus saving me the expense of employing a cook, a washerman and a nurse, though she is not legally obliged in any way to do any of these things? Besides, I enjoy peace of mind because of her and am kept away from indecent acts on account of her. I therefore tolerate all her excesses on account of these benefits. It is right that you should also adopt the same attitude."

Islam has given women the absolute right of proper education, a right given to the women in the west only 2 centuries ago and later than that in other regions. Prophet Muhammed says: "Seeking Knowledge (science) is an obligation to every muslim man and woman"

In many cultures, a woman needs to possess money -or even pay it- in order to get married. in Islam, this is the duty of the man. Woman in Islam -even after marriage- keep their own name and have the free will of handling their possessions. A right given late in the west and not given in other cultures without a pre-marital agreement. All Narrations and teachings of Islam have only showed compassion and love towards women, even rules were put for sex between the married couple to guarantee the rights of the woman.

Useful links: http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/humanrelations/womeninislam/womenquransunnah.html
http://shams.za.org/itppaper.htm
http://www.afghan-web.com/articles/womenrights.html
http://www.islamfortoday.com/womensrightsbadawi.htm
http://www.islamfortoday.com/shatteringillusions.htm
http://www.islamfortoday.com/womensliberation.htm

I can go on and on about the sexual rights of women in Islam.... how the first Muslim physician was a woman.... how women were allowed to join the army.... how the world's first university was founded by a woman (Um Al-Qura University)....etc.

 

[biostud]

It's not as much about religion as it is culture. In women's rights, legal system etc. the middle east and large parts of Africa are where we were 75-150 years ago. Because of dictators colonial forces and repression their society have not had the possibility to evolve like ours.

Hopefully the rebellions will be a step in the right direction.

 

[Infohawk]

Here's what a Coptic Christian friend of mine had to say about this:

"...and i'm not proud to say it but i am a 100% sure that there were also christians involved in this incident .. the egyptian muslim and christians in egypt share all the good and bad qualities.. they developed their own traditions/cuture which most of it doesn't really relate to christianity nor islam .."

So I call out to those who love speaking out of their asses to please stop, it's starting to stink here.

Wow so your friend is 100% sure about something... very impressive.

 

[Nebor]

Geez, keep all that Koran talk out of here Johny Jihad. You're going to wind up getting these forums filtered at work.

 

[werepossum]

"Islam is based on a culture of abusing women"..... interesting.

Shortly before Islam, at the time of social darkness, baby girls were buried alive. Women were cast away from all sorts of social life. They were beaten, enslaved, denied any rights in their lives and were always regarded as being lower than men. However, Islam came and totally changed all of these retarded perceptions in a record time.

For a starter, Islam was the first ideology that gave the women the right to vote and elect. A right given in the west as late as in 1920 in the USA, 1928 in the UK, and 1945 in Switzerland. Women were given the right to choose who to marry and when to divorce. In Islam, the women invaded all sorts of professional lives. There were muslim doctors, traders, nurses, scholars and tutors. Islam prevented a man from forcing his wife to work to support the family, as the total economic responsibility falls on the shoulders of the man in Islam, as Women are to be served by men as prophet Muhammad said.

Here's what prophet Muhammad has to say about treating women: '"None but a noble man treats women in an honorable manner. And none but an ignoble treats women disgracefully"..... Who is the best one of us? Here's how Prophet Muhammad answered this question: "The best of you is one who is best towards his family and I am best towards the family". .... One of prophet Muhammad’s companions asked him "What do you say (command) about our wives?" He replied: "Give them food what you have for yourself, and clothe them by which you clothe yourself, and do not beat them, and do not revile them." .... Words like "Give them food what you have for yourself" may sound degrading in 2011, but 1500 years ago, it was a statement of equality -a concept not "popular" back then, to say the least.

Not a single Ideology in History has raised women's value more than Islam and I bargain you to prove otherwise. Who is the most wicked one of us? This was prophet Muhammad’s answer: "The most wicked among the people in the eye of Allah on the Day of Judgment is the man who goes to his wife and she comes to him, and then he divulges her secret." To that extent must a husband keep the Privacy of his Wife. These are the morals of Islam.

Islam has shown extraordinarily noble attitude that husbands must abide to towards their wives. One of prophet Muhammad’s companions, Umar ibn al-Khattab said that a man came to his house to complain about his wife. On reaching the door of his house, he hears 'Umar's wife shouting at him and reviling him. Seeing this, he was about to go back, thinking that 'Umar himself was in the same position and, therefore, could hardly suggest any solution for his problem. 'Umar (RA) saw the man turn back, so he called him and enquired about the purpose of his visit. He said that he had come with a complaint against his wife, but turned back on seeing the Caliph in the same position. 'Umar told him that he tolerated the excesses of his wife for she had certain rights against him. He said, "Is it not true that she prepares food for me, washes clothes for me and suckles my children, thus saving me the expense of employing a cook, a washerman and a nurse, though she is not legally obliged in any way to do any of these things? Besides, I enjoy peace of mind because of her and am kept away from indecent acts on account of her. I therefore tolerate all her excesses on account of these benefits. It is right that you should also adopt the same attitude."

Islam has given women the absolute right of proper education, a right given to the women in the west only 2 centuries ago and later than that in other regions. Prophet Muhammed says: "Seeking Knowledge (science) is an obligation to every muslim man and woman"

In many cultures, a woman needs to possess money -or even pay it- in order to get married. in Islam, this is the duty of the man. Woman in Islam -even after marriage- keep their own name and have the free will of handling their possessions. A right given late in the west and not given in other cultures without a pre-marital agreement. All Narrations and teachings of Islam have only showed compassion and love towards women, even rules were put for sex between the married couple to guarantee the rights of the woman.

Useful links: http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/humanrelations/womeninislam/womenquransunnah.html
http://shams.za.org/itppaper.htm
http://www.afghan-web.com/articles/womenrights.html
http://www.islamfortoday.com/womensrightsbadawi.htm
http://www.islamfortoday.com/shatteringillusions.htm
http://www.islamfortoday.com/womensliberation.htm

I can go on and on about the sexual rights of women in Islam.... how the first Muslim physician was a woman.... how women were allowed to join the army.... how the world's first university was founded by a woman (Um Al-Qura University)....etc.

LOL Give it up dude. You are never going to convince anyone with functioning frontal lobes that Muslims treat women better than do non-Muslims. There are no Christian or Jewish or Hindu societies with cops roaming around beating women because a lock of hair escapes or they see painted fingernails. There are no Christian or Jewish or Hindu societies where women are not allowed to drive. There are no Christian or Jewish or Hindu societies where women are commonly dressed in bags covering their entire bodies with little mesh grills for them to peek through. That dog won't hunt. Whatever freedom Muslim societies once gave women, they have long since been surpassed by, well, everyone.

Women should understand that in the Christian and Jewish religions they are second class citizens, whereas in the glorious Islamic faith they are treasured property.

 

[JSt0rm]

everyone still trying to win on the internet in here?

 

[Sephire]

Assasult on Laral Logan never happened in the muslim world

 

[TareX]

There are no Christian or Jewish or Hindu societies with cops roaming around beating women because a lock of hair escapes or they see painted fingernails. There are no Christian or Jewish or Hindu societies where women are not allowed to drive. There are no Christian or Jewish or Hindu societies where women are commonly dressed in bags covering their entire bodies with little mesh grills for them to peek through. That dog won't hunt. Whatever freedom Muslim societies once gave women, they have long since been surpassed by, well, everyone.

Women should understand that in the Christian and Jewish religions they are second class citizens, whereas in the glorious Islamic faith they are treasured property.

1) Yes there are "Jewish or Christian societies" where -as a matter of fact- women aren't allowed to WALK on the same side of the street. Talk about "driving". Need a link? Christian societies are too easy. Here's one from a Jewish society:

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3759554,00.html

Jerusalem: Haredim bring segregation to the street

A group of ultra-Orthodox men took to the streets of the haredi neighborhoods in Jerusalem last Friday and called on the public to adhere to a complete separation between men and women in certain areas of the city.

The activists toured the streets near Geula neighborhood in taxicabs and announced, using megaphones that on some streets men and women should walk on opposite sides of the road during the weekend.

They actually took it one step further, with "no women allowed" signs and everything.

Oh, and you DO know that the Burqa can actually be traced back to Jewish practices, right?

2) I see that you fail to understand the difference between "Islam" and today's so called "muslim societies". Perfect.

 

[the DRIZZLE]

1) Yes there are "Jewish or Christian societies" where -as a matter of fact- women aren't allowed to WALK on the same side of the street. Talk about "driving". Need a link? Christian societies are too easy. Here's one from a Jewish society:

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3759554,00.html



They actually took it one step further, with "no women allowed" signs and everything.

Oh, and you DO know that the Burqa can actually be traced back to Jewish practices, right?

2) I see that you fail to understand the difference between "Islam" and today's so called "muslim societies". Perfect.

Wow thats one hell of stretch. Your article is about a few nuts protesting. But it actually disproves your point because they are protesting against the status quo which is that women can walk where ever they want.

Why do all you muslims/arabs have such a hard on for Jews? We are talking about about a brutal gangrape by 200 people in Egypt and your best comeback is an article about a few people protesting in Israel? I'm also still waiting for you to provide a source for your claim that Egypt sells gas to Israel at 1/7 of the market price.

Regarding your second point you quote the Koran then state that it has nothing do to with todays Muslim societies. In that case why are you using it to defend the disgusting Egyptian culture?

 

[TareX]

Wow thats one hell of stretch. Your article is about a few nuts protesting. But it actually disproves your point because they are protesting against the status quo which is that women can walk where ever they want.

You're joking, right?

This has been going on since at least 2003. Actually, Israel's Supreme Court prohibited women from reading from the Torah within the Western Wall plaza.

Why do all you muslims/arabs have such a hard on for Jews?

You see, that's why I don't like to start comparing religions. Once it happens, It only takes ONE post for ^^^^ to show up (Why do you hate them?) even though EVERY SINGLE POST FROM ANAND'S JEW SQUAD publically bashes muslims, calling them animals who just need to die....etc...etc...etc.

We are talking about about a brutal gangrape by 200 people in Egypt

Gang rape? Uh, yeah, it wasn't a gang rape. It was a groping. It happens annually in Egyptian mass gatherings and is a problem that has absolutely nothing to do with either Coptic Christianity or Islam. I know tons of muslims who "pray 5 times a day, fast...etc" but still steal, are corrupted as hell...etc. Guess what, not everything in the world has to do with religion.

AGAIN, I would like to point out that for 18 days, not a single case of harassment happened. After the regime fell, everyone took to the street, including the low lives who really couldn't care less about reform. It was a completely different crowd. Send in a blonde bombshell and yeah -I guess like 140 other abused reporters in Cairo, it was expected. Again, these people weren't following ANY RELIGIOUS SCRIPTURE in their despicable act.

and your best comeback is an article about a few people protesting in Israel? I'm also still waiting for you to provide a source for your claim that Egypt sells gas to Israel at 1/7 of the market price.

Forgive me if discussing the price of Israel's gas from Egypt is not the main topic of English newspapers. It's being sold for less than its production price for heaven's sake.

Regarding your second point you quote the Koran then state that it has nothing do to with todays Muslim societies. In that case why are you using it to defend the disgusting Egyptian culture?

I am using Islamic narrations (not the Qur'an) to defend Islam, not women's harassment in Egypt. The latter has nothing to do with religion. As I said, the more religious the person is, the much, much less likely they would even consider doing that. That of course didn't stop the ANAND SQUAD from pursuing the "Muslims are animals and this is the proof" argument. As if everything these people do and how they behave is based on the scripture they read.

A well known statement of one of the American converts to Islam is, "When I was in the US, I saw Islam without muslims. When I went to Mecca, I saw muslims without Islam".

This is third world country etiquette.

 

[the DRIZZLE]

You're joking, right?


This has been going on since at least 2003. Actually, Israel's Supreme Court prohibited women from reading from the Torah within the Western Wall plaza.

Women at the wailing wall is a religious issue like female priests in the Catholic Church. It has nothing to do with what legal rights women enjoy or how they are treated day to day in society.

You see, that's why I don't like to start comparing religions. Once it happens, It only takes ONE post for ^^^^ to show up (Why do you hate them?) even though EVERY SINGLE POST FROM ANAND'S JEW SQUAD publically bashes muslims, calling them animals who just need to die....etc...etc...etc.

Most of the people here "bashing" muslims are not Jewish, they are just abhored by the behavior in Muslim countries.

Gang rape? Uh, yeah, it wasn't a gang rape. It was a groping. It happens annually in Egyptian mass gatherings and is a problem that has absolutely nothing to do with either Coptic Christianity or Islam. I know tons of muslims who "pray 5 times a day, fast...etc" but still steal, are corrupted as hell...etc. Guess what, not everything in the world has to do with religion.

AGAIN, I would like to point out that for 18 days, not a single case of harassment happened. After the regime fell, everyone took to the street, including the low lives who really couldn't care less about reform. It was a completely different crowd. Send in a blonde bombshell and yeah -I guess like 140 other abused reporters in Cairo, it was expected. Again, these people weren't following ANY RELIGIOUS SCRIPTURE in their despicable act.


I am using Islamic narrations (not the Qur'an) to defend Islam, not women's harassment in Egypt. The latter has nothing to do with religion. As I said, the more religious the person is, the much, much less likely they would even consider doing that. That of course didn't stop the ANAND SQUAD from pursuing the "Muslims are animals and this is the proof" argument. As if everything these people do and how they behave is based on the scripture they read.

A well known statement of one of the American converts to Islam is, "When I was in the US, I saw Islam without muslims. When I went to Mecca, I saw muslims without Islam".

This is third world country etiquette.

You want to narrowly define Islam by certain teachings and ignore the reality on the ground in Islamic countries which is simply not a compelling argument. You also can't excuse it away by blaming it on the third world. Women are treated worse and enjoy far less freedoms in Islamic countries than in other third world counties, and you cant argue around that. Egypt ranks dead last in this report about women's equality in different countries. https://members.weforum.org/pdf/Global_Competitiveness_Reports/Reports/gender_gap.pdf

Forgive me if discussing the price of Israel's gas from Egypt is not the main topic of English newspapers. It's being sold for less than its production price for heaven's sake.

Just provide one reputable English source. The gas issue has been discussed in many English papers are none of them have ever mentioned a below market price.