CBS Gets Burned at the Stake . . .

[kage69]

Nuts.

 

[Train]

Originally posted by: conjur
I'm just showing the double standard Bush holds himself to vs. that of others.

right there! You act like Bush's double standard caused the reporters being fired. "holds to others" Which implies he had something to do with it. The reporters were fired by CBS, not the Bush admin. Thats like saying, omg the Lakers let Shaq go but the Miami Heat hired him! what a double standard! But its ridiculous because the Lakers and the Heat are different organizations.

Double Standard: "3. Divided into two; acting two parts, one openly and the other secretly; equivocal; deceitful; insincere. [1913 Webster]"

CBS is not owned, or controlled by Bush, they came to the conclusion to fire the reporters on thier own. The "double standard" rule does not apply.

 

[PatboyX]

Originally posted by: Train

Originally posted by: conjur
I'm just showing the double standard Bush holds himself to vs. that of others.

right there! You act like Bush's double standard caused the reporters being fired. "holds to others" Which implies he had something to do with it. The reporters were fired by CBS, not the Bush admin. Thats like saying, omg the Lakers let Shaq go but the Miami Heat hired him! what a double standard! But its ridiculous because the Lakers and the Heat are different organizations.

Double Standard: "3. Divided into two; acting two parts, one openly and the other secretly; equivocal; deceitful; insincere. [1913 Webster]"

CBS is not owned, or controlled by Bush, they came to the conclusion to fire the reporters on thier own. The "double standard" rule does not apply.

i think people find it "insincere" to hear the administration talk about responsibility, accountability, the Truth and a sort of unwritten moral/honor code and urge groups to act accordingly when they seem incapable of doing so or even a recognition of any wrong-doing when called upon by the public, press, or other politicians.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: Train

Originally posted by: conjur
I'm just showing the double standard Bush holds himself to vs. that of others.

right there! You act like Bush's double standard caused the reporters being fired.

Stop right there.

You are WAY out on a limb, Train. WAY out there.

I am saying nothing of the sort. CBS fired people who worked on the story as they didn't do their jobs properly. I'm saying Bush should do the same to *his own* people (Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Feith, Rice, etc.)

 

[Genx87]

I am saying nothing of the sort. CBS fired people who worked on the story as they didn't do their jobs properly. I'm saying Bush should do the same to *his own* people (Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Feith, Rice, etc.)

And I am saying they should fire Randy Moss for not doing his job this year.
What a pointless argument.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Genx87

I am saying nothing of the sort. CBS fired people who worked on the story as they didn't do their jobs properly. I'm saying Bush should do the same to *his own* people (Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Feith, Rice, etc.)

And I am saying they should fire Randy Moss for not doing his job this year.
What a pointless argument.

Except Moss did do his job. If he didn't I can assure you that he'd be let go!

 

[Train]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Train

Originally posted by: conjur
I'm just showing the double standard Bush holds himself to vs. that of others.

right there! You act like Bush's double standard caused the reporters being fired.

Stop right there.

You are WAY out on a limb, Train. WAY out there.

you wish

I am saying nothing of the sort. CBS fired people who worked on the story as they didn't do their jobs properly. I'm saying Bush should do the same to *his own* people (Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Feith, Rice, etc.)

thats your opinion.

 

[Genx87]

Except Moss did do his job. If he didn't I can assure you that he'd be let go!

Very poor job I might add. Kind along the same lines as the other two examples.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: Train

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Train

Originally posted by: conjur
I'm just showing the double standard Bush holds himself to vs. that of others.

right there! You act like Bush's double standard caused the reporters being fired.

Stop right there.

You are WAY out on a limb, Train. WAY out there.

you wish

No, I'm spot-on.

I am saying nothing of the sort. CBS fired people who worked on the story as they didn't do their jobs properly. I'm saying Bush should do the same to *his own* people (Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Feith, Rice, etc.)

thats your opinion.

No, it's fact.

 

[Train]

ok let me be a little more clear this time:

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Train

Originally posted by: conjur
I'm just showing the double standard Bush holds himself to vs. that of others.

right there! You act like Bush's double standard caused the reporters being fired.

Stop right there.

You are WAY out on a limb, Train. WAY out there.

ran out of comebacks? pissed I caught your bad argument?

I am saying nothing of the sort.

yes, you did:

I'm just showing the double standard Bush holds himself to vs. that of others.

By which standard were the reporters fired again?

CBS fired people who worked on the story as they didn't do their jobs properly.

check...

I'm saying Bush should do the same to *his own* people (Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Feith, Rice, etc.)

ok, well thats fine. But its still an opinion. hence the keywords "I'm saying" and "should"

 

[phillyTIM]

This is classic, hypocritical Bush. Glad to know he hasn't changed and it on display for all to see his big, fat empty A##!

 

[conjur]

Asked to Resign, 3 at CBS Hire Lawyers Instead
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/02/16/busin...nnlx=1108576994-zwA8RLSRcimsIulltRmXGw


Looks like they aren't going down quietly. Just accept your mistakes.

 

[Starbuck1975]

I do not see any problem in holding CBS accountable for its irresponsible, possibly partisan and overall poor quality journalism.

The contradiction of Bush applauding accountability while not doing so with his own administration is a completely different issue.

Accountability is a good thing regardless of who benefits or loses as a result of it.

CBS screwed up big time...those responsible, and the news media in general, have learned an important lesson in professionalism.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: Starbuck1975
I do not see any problem in holding CBS accountable for its irresponsible, possibly partisan and overall poor quality journalism.

The contradiction of Bush applauding accountability while not doing so with his own administration is a completely different issue.

Accountability is a good thing regardless of who benefits or loses as a result of it.

CBS screwed up big time...those responsible, and the news media in general, have learned an important lesson in professionalism.

"in general"...good thing you put that in there. We all know FOX does whatever the hell it wants to do.

 

[Darkhawk28]

So when is Brit Hume going to apologize?

 

[Starbuck1975]

We all know FOX does whatever the hell it wants to do.

There is a distinct line between editorial opinion based commentary...or rather the conclusions that news reporters deduce from hard facts...and making up false facts to support predisposed opinions.

Fox News has a right wing Republican slant...no doubt about it...while you can question their interpretation of the facts, or premature assessment of situations, they are providing partisan commentary on news.

CBS presented false evidence, and continued to defend said evidence well after an apology was due...it is not the responsibility or the function of the media to create evidence to support their opinions...but they are welcome to offer there opinion on concrete news facts and evidence.

Similarly, if Fox News is guilty of fabricating evidence to support their worldview, they should be subject to the same scrutiny as CBS.

 

[Darkhawk28]

Originally posted by: Starbuck1975

We all know FOX does whatever the hell it wants to do.

There is a distinct line between editorial opinion based commentary...or rather the conclusions that news reporters deduce from hard facts...and making up false facts to support predisposed opinions.

Fox News has a right wing Republican slant...no doubt about it...while you can question their interpretation of the facts, or premature assessment of situations, they are providing partisan commentary on news.

CBS presented false evidence, and continued to defend said evidence well after an apology was due...it is not the responsibility or the function of the media to create evidence to support their opinions...but they are welcome to offer there opinion on concrete news facts and evidence.

Similarly, if Fox News is guilty of fabricating evidence to support their worldview, they should be subject to the same scrutiny as CBS.

Ok, like I asked right above this post (which isn't bad btw), when is Brit Hume going to resign or at least apologize?

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: Starbuck1975

We all know FOX does whatever the hell it wants to do.

There is a distinct line between editorial opinion based commentary...or rather the conclusions that news reporters deduce from hard facts...and making up false facts to support predisposed opinions.

Fox News has a right wing Republican slant...no doubt about it...while you can question their interpretation of the facts, or premature assessment of situations, they are providing partisan commentary on news.

CBS presented false evidence, and continued to defend said evidence well after an apology was due...it is not the responsibility or the function of the media to create evidence to support their opinions...but they are welcome to offer there opinion on concrete news facts and evidence.

Similarly, if Fox News is guilty of fabricating evidence to support their worldview, they should be subject to the same scrutiny as CBS.

FOX has reported false news before. Twice in recent memory on their website.

Also, just poke around on http://www.mediamatters.org and you'll find their news anchors are constantly tossing in subjective terms, misstating quotes, etc.

 

[irwincur]

It all comes down to how much people hate Bush.

I find it funny that a debate about CBS firing some reporters (commentators) has develoved into yet another, Bush is stupid, I hate Bush, Bush is Hitler thread. Further proof that the leff has nothing to add to any discussion other than hatred, ignorance, and hot air.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: irwincur
It all comes down to how much people hate Bush.

I find it funny that a debate about CBS firing some reporters (commentators) has develoved into yet another, Bush is stupid, I hate Bush, Bush is Hitler thread. Further proof that the leff has nothing to add to any discussion other than hatred, ignorance, and hot air.

Yeah kind of like your post

 

[kage69]

nothing to add to any discussion other than hatred, ignorance, and hot air.

Pretty much sums up all of your posts made within the last few days, how ironic...

 

[Starbuck1975]

Ok, like I asked right above this post (which isn't bad btw), when is Brit Hume going to resign or at least apologize?

We do not have a process in place to enforce journalistic integrity, although attempting to do so has the potential to infringe on free speech, and it has become increasingly apparent that we cannot rely on journalists to adhere to any concept of professional conduct.

CBS is in hot water because they chose to blatantly and quite arrogantly defend and indefensible position, based on motives that are not entirely clear.

The way our media is currently structured, the only force that truly holds them accountable is the almighty dollar...the threat of sponsors and advertisers withdrawing their spots seems to be the only force of accoutability that our media understands.

FOX has reported false news before. Twice in recent memory on their website. Also, just poke around on http://www.mediamatters.org and you'll find their news anchors are constantly tossing in subjective terms, misstating quotes, etc.

There is a distinction between honest mistakes, and poor decisions made with malicious intent that are in direct contradiction to the unwritten expectations of professional conduct from journalists.

Fox News doesn't exactly hide their true colors for all their talk about being fair and balanced...people do not have an expectation that they will receive anything less then a right wing slant on the news they watch...CBS portrays itself to a higher standard of objective journalism, and it should therefore come as no surprise when people hold them to that standard.

 

[Darkhawk28]

Originally posted by: Starbuck1975

Ok, like I asked right above this post (which isn't bad btw), when is Brit Hume going to resign or at least apologize?

We do not have a process in place to enforce journalistic integrity, although attempting to do so has the potential to infringe on free speech, and it has become increasingly apparent that we cannot rely on journalists to adhere to any concept of professional conduct.

CBS is in hot water because they chose to blatantly and quite arrogantly defend and indefensible position, based on motives that are not entirely clear.

The way our media is currently structured, the only force that truly holds them accountable is the almighty dollar...the threat of sponsors and advertisers withdrawing their spots seems to be the only force of accoutability that our media understands.

FOX has reported false news before. Twice in recent memory on their website. Also, just poke around on http://www.mediamatters.org and you'll find their news anchors are constantly tossing in subjective terms, misstating quotes, etc.

There is a distinction between honest mistakes, and poor decisions made with malicious intent that are in direct contradiction to the unwritten expectations of professional conduct from journalists.

Fox News doesn't exactly hide their true colors for all their talk about being fair and balanced...people do not have an expectation that they will receive anything less then a right wing slant on the news they watch...CBS portrays itself to a higher standard of objective journalism, and it should therefore come as no surprise when people hold them to that standard.

Fox not hiding its true colors does not make them exempt from displaying journalistic integrity. Hume's actions were made with malicious intent. If they weren't, he would've stated a retraction, but he hasn't.

 

[Starbuck1975]

Fox not hiding its true colors does not make them exempt from displaying journalistic integrity. Hume's actions were made with malicious intent. If they weren't, he would've stated a retraction, but he hasn't.

Well that is precisely the point...what is the forum for accountability when journalists step over the line from honest mistakes to malicious intent...let's face it, CBS dug a pretty deep hole for themselves, and in a sense got burned at the stake because they chose to climb on it and declare themselves a witch.

The Hume story has not received that much attention or much of an outcry for that matter.

 

[MonkeyK]

Originally posted by: Train

Originally posted by: conjur

I am saying nothing of the sort. CBS fired people who worked on the story as they didn't do their jobs properly. I'm saying Bush should do the same to *his own* people (Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Feith, Rice, etc.)

thats your opinion.

Yeah conjur. It was their jobs to lie to us, so they did it properly!