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CBS Gets Burned at the Stake . . .

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Stick to the topic please, there are plenty of other threads about Bush, Rice, Iraq, etc.
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The issue of Bush, Rice, and Iraq is presented in the original article as supporting material, therefore it is germane to the subject.
 
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: Centinel
Ok, so you're going to believe the word of secretary that the document was factual even though the document supported was forged?

If the document was forged, dont you think it's not too far of a stretch to assume the secretary was lying?

I mean if a guy gives me a forged document, i'm not going to be inclined to believe a single damn thing he says....but that's just me.
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Forged in that it wasn't the original document.
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Wow.....you honestly think the document is true and real? Holy crap.

Wow.
 
how is the Bush admin getting blamed for these reporters getting fired? Werent they fired by CBS? You guys really love to look for any way possible to blame the president.
 
Originally posted by: Train
how is the Bush admin getting blamed for these reporters getting fired? Werent they fired by CBS? You guys really love to look for any way possible to blame the president.
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Sorry, I have a head cold. It's probably affecting my reading comprehesion because I don't remember anyone saying this. Can you quote it for me?

 
prove otherwise
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I think the burden of proof is on Mr. Bush concerning his "service" in 1972-73. So far, that has yet to fully materialize. Why is it not a single person remembers him from the AL airbase? We know he was a no-show for his physical so the base physician never saw him (always thought it funny that Bush had no problem announcing he was gtting a camera shoved up his ass years ago, yet is dead silent over why he skipped his physical back then) Same goes for all of the pilots, officers, and ground crew that were stationed there. If you know of anyone, by all means, spill the beans, that $10k might still be up for grabs!

I would love to believe Bush fully completed his service and is worthy of the respect that would garner, maybe you could point me to:

-ANYTHING from the Alabama unit with Bush's name on it
-A single solitary page from his flight log
-A copy of the form 44a from the ANG certifying attendance
-Any record from the Inquiry Board that was convened after he was suspended
-AF Form 142 (Aviation Service Audit Worksheet)
-How about just even a simple photo of him in uniform after the begining of 1972 (speaking of photos, how about that one where he's wearing the AF Outstanding Unit Award, something he didn't earn?)

Makes you wonder if the other pilots stationed there suffered similar *ahem* clerical mishaps. Anyone know?



"...suspended from flight status due to failure to perform to USAF/TexANG standards and failure to meet annual physical examination (Flight) as ordered...Officer has made no attempt to meet his training certification or flight physical." - *Lt. Col. Killian Memorandum for Record, 8/1/72

"I got a call from your office today concerning the evaluation of 1st Lt. Bush...Neither Lt. Col Harris or I feel we can rate 1st Lt. Bush since he was not training with 111th F.I.S. since April 1972..." - Memo from Killian, recipient not noted, 6/24/73


The torrid history of what records the White House would talk about is itself quite comical - how did it go? First they were just under wraps, then they were mistakenly destroyed long ago, only to be later found again (and even then, they were incomplete)? I forget. Add all of this to the tendancy for wealthy and affluent families to pull strings within the military for their sons, and well, I'm sure you can understand the reason for skepticism. The whole deal stinks, and an 'honorable discharge' does nothing to cover the stench.



how is the Bush admin getting blamed for these reporters getting fired? Werent they fired by CBS? You guys really love to look for any way possible to blame the president.
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I see people commenting on a disturbing double-standard, I must have missed them assigning blame to the president. Care to share?
 
linkage

CBS has altered the PDF file for their report on Memogate, to prevent copying and pasting.

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And here is an early copy of Appendix 4, which has also been altered at the CBS site
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Looks like extra damage controll is needed.
 
So, no clarification for us Train, or do you just not want to admit you didn't read the article or any of the responses?
 
Originally posted by: kage69
So, no clarification for us Train, or do you just not want to admit you didn't read the article or any of the responses?
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My guess is we'll get neither. He'll probably take the typical rightie approach and not bother to come back into a thread after being 'exposed'....ala HOP in the other thread.
 
Originally posted by: charrison
linkage

CBS has altered the PDF file for their report on Memogate, to prevent copying and pasting.

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And here is an early copy of Appendix 4, which has also been altered at the CBS site
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Looks like extra damage controll is needed.
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Wow, I must have missed that. Interesting...

CsG
 
Originally posted by: Gaard
Originally posted by: kage69
So, no clarification for us Train, or do you just not want to admit you didn't read the article or any of the responses?
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My guess is we'll get neither. He'll probably take the typical rightie approach and not bother to come back into a thread after being 'exposed'....ala HOP in the other thread.
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Damn, some day I'm going to have to risk posting this 'list'. 🙂

Let's see...
T-R-A-I-N.
 
Originally posted by: kage69
how is the Bush admin getting blamed for these reporters getting fired? Werent they fired by CBS? You guys really love to look for any way possible to blame the president.
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I see people commenting on a disturbing double-standard, I must have missed them assigning blame to the president. Care to share?
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this is exactly the point Im trying to make, let me clarify,

BUSH ADMIN != CBS ADMIN

so how can a double standard be inferred using this case?

 
Originally posted by: Train
how is the Bush admin getting blamed for these reporters getting fired? Werent they fired by CBS? You guys really love to look for any way possible to blame the president.
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Point out one post that blames the Bush admin for these people being fired.
 
Originally posted by: conjur
How can Bush be held accountable? God is on his side, remember?
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Originally posted by: conjur
Oh wait...Bush *did* fire people. People who dared to...<GASP>...tell the truth!!

Paul O'Neill and Larry Lindsey to name two.
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well, two from you

 
That first quote from conjur doesn't involve assigning blame. I think you're also confusing what party he is refering to, so no, still nothing from you.

BUSH ADMIN != CBS ADMIN
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ACCOUNTABILITY = ACCOUNTABILITY

I'm not even sure why you are attempting to compare the two actions. CBS fired some people because they didn't do their jobs. Bush fired two guys for telling the truth. Seems pretty cut-and-dry to me.
 
Originally posted by: kage69
That first quote from conjur doesn't involve assigning blame. I think you're also confusing what party he is refering to, so no, still nothing from you.

BUSH ADMIN != CBS ADMIN
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ACCOUNTABILITY = ACCOUNTABILITY

I'm not even sure why you are attempting to compare the two actions. CBS fired some people because they didn't do their jobs. Bush fired two guys for telling the truth. Seems pretty cut-and-dry to me.
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ahh, so we ARE blaming Bush. My original post stands.
 
Originally posted by: Train
Originally posted by: conjur
How can Bush be held accountable? God is on his side, remember?
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Originally posted by: conjur
Oh wait...Bush *did* fire people. People who dared to...<GASP>...tell the truth!!

Paul O'Neill and Larry Lindsey to name two.
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well, two from you
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😕 WTF??

How in *the* hell do you get that I'm blaming Bush for CBS firing these guys? I think Rather should have been fired, too.

I'm just showing the double standard Bush holds himself to vs. that of others.
 
ahh, so we ARE blaming Bush. My original post stands.
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I am debating a doublestandard that plagues the White House, I did not blame Bush for firing reporters. I find it reprehensible that Bush fires people for doing their jobs and telling the truth, but that doesn't mean I hold him responsible for these reporters getting fired. Clear it up any?
 
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